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Well he was actually priced at $59.99 when he was initially released, but TRU decided to raise that price shortly after that because of supply and demand. I remember having to pay around $70 for it myself.BWprowl wrote:Grimlock was actually more like $70, at least that's what I paid for him.
When I bought TRU MP Grimlock,I paid under $60. I remember the shelf price was around $59.99. then I had a whole bunch of in-store circular coupons & on-line coupons which made me pay under $50 for MP Grimlock with tax included.BWprowl wrote:Grimlock was actually more like $70, at least that's what I paid for him.Sparky Prime wrote:As I recall, MP Grimlock was somewhere around $60. And I'd have to agree, if Hasbro releases these figures I can see them being around $30.Shockwave wrote:How much was Grimlock here in the US? I'd imagine these guys would have to be about half that at the most.
Anyway, one thing Grimlock didn't have that these guys do that might drive up the price is licensing. Takara had to pay Lamborghini for the license to use the vehicle mode for Sideswipe, which, as I understand, is a large part of why that toy was so expensive. Same thing with these guys and Datsun, we'll have to see how that'll affect any possible Hasbro releases.
I'm not really feeling the mold now that we're getting a good look at it. The proportions are just too cartoony.
I know this is just over a month hold, but you're saying there's no medium between being as tall as MP-10 and being HALF his size?BWprowl wrote:I'm curious about this: Would you actually prefer that Sideswipe (and Prowl) be as tall as Optimus Prime, and thus out of scale?JediTricks wrote:and the scale is SO small that the figure really doesn't look in any way "masterpiece", so if these 3 are like that then I don't think I'll give a care about them either.
I hate how that mold carves out a lot of the car hood, leaving gaps and jigsawed lines, and then the shoulders are just like the head - sticking out too far. Plus, the sculpting is pretty soft and there's not a lot of good detail, and the face is a tad kludgy.It's not a bad toy, in my opinion. Biggest issue I have is that the head sticks up a bit much for my taste, but otherwise it's got a lot going for it. The shoulder and foot articulation is very nice, and the flip-up shoulder launchers are cool.
Perhaps, IF you could find one to decide that for yourself. Also, it's looks pretty scrawny, not Brawny. And the colors are wrong.I think Dom was referring to Universe Brawn, which was released around 2009. I don't own that one, but it seems like it would be fine, as far as Brawns go.
G1 Bluestreak the toy doesn't have a black hood, he's all silver, only his bumper is black; and there's no red at all on Silverstreak in vehicle mode except for the Autobot logo sticker and the interior.I guess it all comes down to personal taste. I love the silver body/black hood with the red on Bluestreak, all blue is just kinda 'meh' by comparison, and like I said, not too different from what Smokescreen does.
I said Prowl and Bluestreak were similar, not Smokescreen. But there's a lot of white on Smokescreen, and they both sport cheap-looking fonts for the characters on the door, so there's that too.Don't know where you think Universe Smokescreen is visually similar to Prowl, he's completely different, his bold silver and dark red setting him clearly apart from Prowl's clean black-and-white look.
As for Prowl & Bluestreak, it's partly about how shitty their US decos look, a lot of black and light plastic base color, they both look like cheap knockoffs. Hmm, I'm mixed about this, I like the love for the '80s Datsun Fairlady Z, but the thick plastic on the windshield wipers and side mirrors are lame, and the boots are massive.Sparky Prime wrote:First images are online of Prowl and Bluestreak.
Yeah, they are still making Alternity, and yeah, that line does suck, I bought Megatron and it's not anywhere near as good as it should be for the price, the scale eats it alive.Onslaught Six wrote:What? That's not why those lines ended. They ended because Transformers wasn't selling well. And isn't Alternity still going? I don't pay attention to it because that line sucks.
They're considerably smaller than Alternators/BT, they're only a head shorter but they're smaller bulk too. Compared to MP-10 in the photos near the top of this post, I think it's night and day MP to Alternators.Sparky Prime wrote:I just have to point out that they are somewhat larger than a deluxe sized figure and a little shorter than the Binaltech figures from the images I've seen of Lambor side-by-side for comparison. So I'd say they're closer to the Beast Wars mega scaled figures.Tigermegatron wrote:deluxe sized MP TF
That's not true, look at TFP Breakdown, or MP Megatron, or at this point MP Sideswipe, or any of the TFP minicon-like figures. That is an over-generalization.TM wrote:Takara needs Hasbro's global suppport whenever they create newer molds TF toys. Because Hasbro gets the most volume/profits use out of the molds,as Hasbro has more distributors world wide. Without hasbro's support,Takara's exclusive TF toys are a failure in profits sales. Takara needs hasbro's global distributors to make the creation of newer TF molds worth while & worth profitable.
If these were $30 range, I'm quite sure Hasbro could find an exclusive buyer for them in a hot second, Target and TRU are both really hot for Transformers exclusives right now.I suspect Hasbro doesn't want the deluxe sized MP TF toys. Because it's a hard salesman sale to try to convince any USA stores to sell deluxe sized toys at the $30 to $45 price range. Even TRU won't be interested. Due to Hasbro having to pay liscense fees to Lamborgini & Datsun,Hasbro would have to recoop those fees by charging USA stores/buyers more for these deluxe sized MP TF toys. AT THIS POINT HASBRO PROBABLY DOESN'T THINK ANY STORES/BUYERS WILL PAY $30 TO $45 FOR A GLORIFIED DELUXE SIZE MP TF TOY,SO THEY WON'T BOTHER SELLING MP TF DELUXE SIZED TOYS WORLDWIDE TO THEIR GLOBAL DISTRIBUTORS.
That first link is really telling, I hadn't seen that, thanks. I can't imagine paying $85 plus shipping and opening THAT box. I can't even imagine paying HALF that at a store to be such a small size.Sparky Prime wrote:They really are not quite as small as a deluxe figure. Here, I found a size comparison showing MP Lambor with other versions of the character. You can see it's actually a bit larger than the deluxe Classics Sideswipe, yet a little smaller than Alternators Sideswipe, placing it closer to a Mega sized figure. And as for the media scale, this actually is about how big the Autobot cars should be compared to the most recent MP version of Optimus.
Subspace & mass-shifting, bitch!Shockwave wrote:The whole scale thing has always been off anyway. I mean the G1 cartoon would actually have us believe that a Lamborghini and an F-15 are the same size. The combiners are almost always out of scale, often showing the individual bots being much smaller than even the limbs they create.
Yeah, the cartoon asked a lot of scale. For me it's this and it's also quality, if I'm paying that $40 mark for something so small it sure as shit better be higher quality with sharper lines and no kibble, no hollow legs and weird issues. Bad enough it doesn't have opening doors.BWprowl wrote:This. I don't wish the toys were bigger, I wish the price was lower. I would totally pay $40-50 bucks for a 'Masterpiece' at the size Sideswipe is (if it was a character I cared more about, that is). I'm the guy who's paid $30-40 for five-inch Figuarts bugmen, or dropped nearly $60 apiece on a couple of Super Robot Chogokin figures, so I can grasp the cost/quality ratio. It's just...I don't really want *Sideswipe* enough to justify dropping that sort of dosh on him (plus MPs in general just aren't really my thing, save for a few).Onslaught Six wrote:I just have problems paying that much money for such a small toy. It has nothing to do with the size of the character--I understand that--but everything to do with how big it is vs. cost.
Grimlock was $70 at Comic-Con with an MSRP intended for $60, but TRU released only a very small amount in stores at that price before kicking it up to $70.Sparky Prime wrote:As I recall, MP Grimlock was somewhere around $60. And I'd have to agree, if Hasbro releases these figures I can see them being around $30.Shockwave wrote:How much was Grimlock here in the US? I'd imagine these guys would have to be about half that at the most.
I doubt the licensing will eat into this that much, I'll try to ask them at Comic Con. Surely being a giant vac-metallized dinosaur with an electronic light gimmick and not one but two separate eye-color swapping gimmicks had to have hit that mold as hard as a licensing fee for a smaller toy like this.BWprowl wrote:Anyway, one thing Grimlock didn't have that these guys do that might drive up the price is licensing. Takara had to pay Lamborghini for the license to use the vehicle mode for Sideswipe, which, as I understand, is a large part of why that toy was so expensive. Same thing with these guys and Datsun, we'll have to see how that'll affect any possible Hasbro releases.
I'm not really feeling the mold now that we're getting a good look at it. The proportions are just too cartoony.
To be fair, Sideswipe's knees are bent quite a bit in that image while Prime is standing up straight, making him seem a bit shorter by comparison than he really is.JediTricks wrote:I know this is just over a month hold, but you're saying there's no medium between being as tall as MP-10 and being HALF his size?
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7261/8159 ... c28c_z.jpg
I wouldn't consider it that considerable personally, but to each their own. I was just pointing out these MP Autobot cars are a size somewhere between being bigger than a Deluxe yet smaller than an Alternator.They're considerably smaller than Alternators/BT, they're only a head shorter but they're smaller bulk too. Compared to MP-10 in the photos near the top of this post, I think it's night and day MP to Alternators.
Where are you getting this measurement that Masterpiece Sideswipe is under 6inches in robot mode from? Because as I have already provided, that's not accurate. Comparison photos all goes to show and reviews of the figure that have measured it have said it actually comes in around 7inches.Tigermegatron wrote:The Average TF size scale of deluxes range from 5 inches to 6 inches from the robot mode head to toe. both Classics 2.0 Sideswipe & MP TF Sideswipe are under 6 inches tall from head to toe in robot modes.
Prime's not standing straight up, his hips are spread quite a bit in that pic. Obviously Sideswipe's knees being bent makes a bigger difference, but it still shows how little bulk there actually is.Sparky Prime wrote:To be fair, Sideswipe's knees are bent quite a bit in that image while Prime is standing up straight, making him seem a bit shorter by comparison than he really is.JediTricks wrote:I know this is just over a month hold, but you're saying there's no medium between being as tall as MP-10 and being HALF his size?
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7261/8159 ... c28c_z.jpg
Good link. Man, he's only about as big as G1 Soundwave! That's sad.More comparison photos of MP figures...
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transform ... ost8613865
It's considerable in my book since it's 3x as much money and doesn't even have opening doors.I wouldn't consider it that considerable personally, but to each their own. I was just pointing out these MP Autobot cars are a size somewhere between being bigger than a Deluxe yet smaller than an Alternator.They're considerably smaller than Alternators/BT, they're only a head shorter but they're smaller bulk too. Compared to MP-10 in the photos near the top of this post, I think it's night and day MP to Alternators.
What deluxe or voyager figure has a head an inch tall? That'd be 20% of the figure's height. Half an inch is more like it. Anyway, the pics are clear, Sideswipe isn't deluxe sized, he's as big as G1 Soundwave (that's a good metric because Soundwave is also fairly thin) and deluxes aren't that big.Tigermegatron wrote:The Average TF size scale of deluxes range from 5 inches to 6 inches from the robot mode head to toe. both Classics 2.0 Sideswipe & MP TF Sideswipe are under 6 inches tall from head to toe in robot modes.
Most of the Alternators were Voyager sized in robot modes because they were over 6.5 to 7.5 inches tall from head to toe in robot mode.
When Jedi,Says MP TF Sideswipe is a Head shorter than Alternators Sideswipe,This is about a one inch smaller difference. Because most Alternators toys came with huge over sized robot heads that were about one Inch+ tall. Usually that one+inch difference means the toy goes into a higher or lower TF size class.
The height,bulk & weight is not their to consider MP TF Sideswipe a Voyager toy. Due to MP TF Sideswipe being under 6 inches tall in robot mode from head to toe,not being bulky,light & hollow,he falls into the Deluxe TF size class.
I meant he's standing up straight in the sense his knees aren't bent or anything like Sideswipe's are in that image. And Prime's hips aren't spread that much.JediTricks wrote:Prime's not standing straight up, his hips are spread quite a bit in that pic. Obviously Sideswipe's knees being bent makes a bigger difference, but it still shows how little bulk there actually is.
Thanks. I thought it was interesting to see MP Optimus and Sideswipe next to G1 Optimus and Sideswipe.Good link. Man, he's only about as big as G1 Soundwave! That's sad.
Yeah, seeing G1 guys together was closer to the scale I was expecting, with Sideswipe coming up to the top of the grill on Optimus' chest, but in terms of modern scale it's not a particularly useful benchmark I suppose since there's been a lot more refinement of that sort of thing, so I removed my original comment about it.Sparky Prime wrote:Thanks. I thought it was interesting to see MP Optimus and Sideswipe next to G1 Optimus and Sideswipe.Good link. Man, he's only about as big as G1 Soundwave! That's sad.
Today,I watched over 10 You-tube MP Lambor toy reviews videos that showed the toy transformed & the guys doing the videoes showed some Size comparisions in both robot & car mode. In addition to that,I clicked on that link that 06 provided in this thread showing side by side comparisions pics of MP Lambor next to the MP seekers,MP Grimlock,MP Prime,etc....JediTricks wrote:Prime's not standing straight up, his hips are spread quite a bit in that pic. Obviously Sideswipe's knees being bent makes a bigger difference, but it still shows how little bulk there actually is.Sparky Prime wrote:To be fair, Sideswipe's knees are bent quite a bit in that image while Prime is standing up straight, making him seem a bit shorter by comparison than he really is.JediTricks wrote:I know this is just over a month hold, but you're saying there's no medium between being as tall as MP-10 and being HALF his size?
http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7261/8159 ... c28c_z.jpg
Good link. Man, he's only about as big as G1 Soundwave! That's sad.More comparison photos of MP figures...
http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transform ... ost8613865
It's considerable in my book since it's 3x as much money and doesn't even have opening doors.I wouldn't consider it that considerable personally, but to each their own. I was just pointing out these MP Autobot cars are a size somewhere between being bigger than a Deluxe yet smaller than an Alternator.They're considerably smaller than Alternators/BT, they're only a head shorter but they're smaller bulk too. Compared to MP-10 in the photos near the top of this post, I think it's night and day MP to Alternators.
On the size thing, I agreed that they were bigger than deluxe, only I think TM was and is saying otherwise.
What deluxe or voyager figure has a head an inch tall? That'd be 20% of the figure's height. Half an inch is more like it. Anyway, the pics are clear, Sideswipe isn't deluxe sized, he's as big as G1 Soundwave (that's a good metric because Soundwave is also fairly thin) and deluxes aren't that big.Tigermegatron wrote:The Average TF size scale of deluxes range from 5 inches to 6 inches from the robot mode head to toe. both Classics 2.0 Sideswipe & MP TF Sideswipe are under 6 inches tall from head to toe in robot modes.
Most of the Alternators were Voyager sized in robot modes because they were over 6.5 to 7.5 inches tall from head to toe in robot mode.
When Jedi,Says MP TF Sideswipe is a Head shorter than Alternators Sideswipe,This is about a one inch smaller difference. Because most Alternators toys came with huge over sized robot heads that were about one Inch+ tall. Usually that one+inch difference means the toy goes into a higher or lower TF size class.
The height,bulk & weight is not their to consider MP TF Sideswipe a Voyager toy. Due to MP TF Sideswipe being under 6 inches tall in robot mode from head to toe,not being bulky,light & hollow,he falls into the Deluxe TF size class.
I just got out my G1 Soundwave and he's 6 and 3/4 inches tall. Sideswipe looks about a quarter inch shorter than that.
