Your fan thoughts on Takara MP-17 & 18 being Prowl & Smokesc

[Tigermegatron]

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Your fan thoughts on Takara MP-17 & 18 being Prowl & Smokescreen?

I don't like the idea of deluxe sized MP TF toys. I don't like the weaker/less powerful more smaller character TF media/toys getting the MP TF treatment. I would much prefer the bigger more powerful higher ranking TF character media/toys get the MP TF treatment first. like Masterforce overlord,Victorysabre,1986 G-1 Galvatron,1985 Blitzwing,1985 Astrotrain,1985 Shockwave,1986 Cyclonus,Deathsauras,G-1 Combiners,City formers,etc....

ANOTHER THING I HATE............ Is the repeative updated newer toys that get created for a certain group of TF character toys. does the fandom really need or desire dozens/hundreds in different toy sized newer toys for optimus,megatron,bumblebee,ratchet,ironhide,jazz,prowl,sideswipe,soundwave,arcee,starscream,etc........ ENOUGH IS ENOUGH I'D RATHER OTHER 1980'S TF CHARACTER TOYS GOT NEWER TOYS INSTEAD OF SEEING DOZENS HUNDREDS OF THE SAME GROUP OF CHARACTER TOYS GETTING DOZENS/HUNDREDS OF NEWER TF TOYS. I don't want 100 optimus prime toys in my TF toy collection nor do I want nor desire dozens of the same character TF toys in my toy collection.

Wasn't the alternators/BT,Classics,aec,animated,universe,TFP,Movie verse enough decent homage toys for sideswipe,red alert,prowl & smokescreen. does the fandom really desire more?? I JUST HATE VALUABLE TOY SLOTS BEING WASTED ON REPEATIVE CHARACTER TF toys,i'D RATHER SEE/BUY DIFFEREN'T 1980'S TF CHARACTER TOYS THAT NEVER GOT A NEWER TOY OR ONLY ONE OR TWO INSTEAD OF DOZENS/HUNDREDS.

I just really hope & pray takara does something similar to last year/2012. Where takara released a smaller/deluxe & a bigger/ultra sized MP TF toy. AT THE VERY LEAST GIVE ME/OTHERS a bigger sized TF MP toy in 2013 like G-1 Galvatron,OVERLORD,vICTORYSABRE,LEADER SIZED MP g-1gun megatron,blitzwing,astrotrain,combiners,deathsauras,1985 shockwave,ultra/leader sized 1986 Cyclonus,etc...........

[BWprowl]

There are reasons Takara’s doing things this way. While you may be content to just have a bunch of big, leadery guys on your shelf, most people collecting these things would like to have a full ‘team’ on display (if I hear the phrase ‘Ark Crew’ one more goddamn time…), and the Autobot Cars are an integral part of that. Even more so that they’re doing the Autobot Cars with the most repaint potential, so they can get a lot of team members out quickly and easily (once Bluestreak is inevitably made from this mold, that’ll be five Autobot Cars you can stick next to your Masterpiece Prime). Add that to the fact that heroic characters generally sell better than villains in Japan, and it’s easy to see why they went this direction. There simply aren’t a lot of ‘big’ characters left to do Masterpieces of, and an Autobot car from 1984 is a much safer sales bet than, say, an obscure Decepticon leader from a one-season subseries.

There’s also the fact that, while I agree that these toys are redundant for me given that we already have perfectly fine Universe Classics toys of guys like Sideswipe and Prowl, those are just plain *not good enough* for some people, namely hardcore Geewunners that need everything to hew as closely to the Sunbow animation models as possible. I may not want it, and you may not want it, but a whole lot of other people want it and are will to pay $80 for it, so Takara has motivation to make it.

Do find it funny the way some continuously complain about the ‘size’ of these new Masterpieces, as if they legitimately want guys like Sideswipe and Prowl standing shoulder-to-shoulder with Optimus Prime.

Weren’t there already two Alternators/Binaltech Prowls? I should track those down one of these days. And the BTA Alert with Ai.

[Dominic]

There’s also the fact that, while I agree that these toys are redundant for me given that we already have perfectly fine Universe Classics toys of guys like Sideswipe and Prowl, those are just plain *not good enough* for some people, namely hardcore Geewunners that need everything to hew as closely to the Sunbow animation models as possible. I may not want it, and you may not want it, but a whole lot of other people want it and are will to pay $80 for it, so Takara has motivation to make it.

The thing is that if you like Prowl because of the cartoon, the Alternator is not going to be good enough. Similarly, if you like Prowl because of the IDW comic, G1 or MP Prowl are not going to cut it. I happen to like IDW Prowl, so the TFU toy from 2008 is good enough for me even if it is a bit dated. But, I do not have a good Sunbow/Marvel Prowl. They have never really made a good Sunbow/Marvel Prowl.

Another example is Mirage. I really like Mirage. I always have. But, I have never had a good toy of Mirage as I like him. As good as the 2006 toys is, (and I really like the mould), it is only a good general representation of Mrage. It looks nothing like Mirage did in the old cartoon (which is a big part of why I like Mirage). It looks nothing like Mirage did in "All Hail Megatron".

Depending on the price, and early reviews, I might actually buy the MP Prowl figure, as I like the character. (I might actually buy Smokescreen and Bluestreak as well, as I like them from the origional cartoon.)


Dom
-not sure what the problem is with wanting a specific representation of a character.

[BWprowl]

Dom
-not sure what the problem is with wanting a specific representation of a character.

Nothing at all. In fact, the fact that there's a large contingent of people who DO want this specific representation of this character being the reason for this toy's production was what I was trying to explain to Tiger with my post. People like he and I don't really have an interest in another, more geewunny version of Prowl, but for people that actually still give a shit about the 80's cartoon, this thing is highly desirable. I fully acknowlege that I'm in the minority on this one, but I can still see where people are coming from. Hell, I still pine for a 'Spotlight'-style Kup.

[Dominic]

The thing to keep in mind is that few G1 characters ever got *good* toys relative to G1. Yes, TFU Prowl is a great figure. But, it is not a good representation of Sunbow/Marvel Prowl.

Fans of Brawn had to wait until 2009 to get a good representation of the character. And, some characters have yet to be made as good toys.


Dom

[Onslaught Six]

I'll agree with Deathy on one thing--where's my damned Masterpiece Galvatron?

For real, Galvatron has, like, the single worst track record of toys I've ever seen.

[BWprowl]

I'll agree with Deathy on one thing--where's my damned Masterpiece Galvatron?

For real, Galvatron has, like, the single worst track record of toys I've ever seen.

So what makes you think a Masterpiece version would turn out any better? Look at Megatron...

I actually didn't mind the Universe version, just wish it was bigger, and the legs stayed on their thigh swivels better. Okay, that the legs were just better in general. Otherwise it's a fine toy, in my opinion.

What toys has he even had, besides the G1 one and the Universe mold? I guess you could count Energon Megatron/Galvatron/Galvatron General/Whatever. I always hear that toy was awful, but never *why*. It looks pretty okay just from pictures, anyway.

Okay, new life plan: Get an engineering degree, learn Japanese, go to work for Takara, develop Masterpiece Sky Lynx.

[Sparky Prime]

I'm guessing it's just a matter of time until they make Blue/Silverstreak as well then... I do like that they are making these types of characters into Masterpiece figures personally. I mean a lot of these guys are fan favorites too, so there is no reason they should all be top brass type characters like we've seen so much of already.

[Tigermegatron]

I Probably wouldn't mind MP TF Car-bots at the Voyager size level because at least they'd be close in scale to the 8 inch tall MP TF Seeker toys. in the G-1 1980'S cartoon/cartoon,the bigger car-bots were almost the same size scale as the seekers.

I honestly think making the MP TF Bigger car-bots as deluxe size scaled toys is the wrong/small size scale.

[Tigermegatron]

I'll agree with Deathy on one thing--where's my damned Masterpiece Galvatron?

For real, Galvatron has, like, the single worst track record of toys I've ever seen.

Yeah,I don't get why Takara hasn't made a MP TF Galvatron toy yet. Galvatron was very popular in america. I think Galvatron was MORE Popular in Japan due to Takara showing the 1986 TF movie,Season 3 & the Heasmasters cartoon series where galvatron had starring core character/toys roles.

Personally,I blame the overly simplistic & futeristic design that 1986 Galvatron had in the toy line/media. the toy was basically just the robot mode laying on it's stomach with the legs shortened & a laser canon put into the top robot head.

My idea for a MP TF Galvatron toy was to take the classics 2.0 deluxe galvatron toy to the next level. made the MP TF Galvatron toy leader sized. give it a realistic military styled tank alt mode. make the tank turrent burnt orange. give the robot mode the animated 1986 galvatron heasd sculpt,curvy upper legs,curvy forearms. make the tank turrent become the side arm canon. accessories could bev the matrix on chain,1986 galvatron hand gun. light up tank turrent/arm canon. This toys can be colored in three different colors. 1986 toy/marvel comics colors,1986 season 3/movie colors,translucent orange lava colors.