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Dominic wrote:Are you familiar with the redeemed Luthor theory?
Would it have to do with Luthor seeing the world how Superman does at the end of #12? I like the idea all right, or that without his hatred of Superman to make him all crazy, he calms the hell down and thinks "Oh, god, what have I been doing?" Because, y'know, every so often people start doing something for good reasons, and it gets right the hell outta hand.

But if Luthor's seeing the world through Superman's senses is enough to change him (and his line "This is how he sees things all the time...it's just us in here and we're all we have.." or like that seems to indicate it), then that says interesting things about Superman's motivation.

Yo, Dom. If you do pick up the Legion of Three Worlds thing, get the Dawnstar cover. If I'd known that there was a Dawnstar cover, I would never have bothered with this "Conner Kent Superboy" one I got.
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Dominic wrote:What I am asking is why it is so hard to believe that nearly getting killed might change somebody's perspective. How is that such an unreasonable idea in any franchise?
How many franchises show a race that has been in a civil war for literally millions of years? How reasonable is it that Perceptor has never had a brush with death in all that time? Or a taste of combat? Putting friends back together or seeing them die?
138 Scourge wrote:Now then. Perceptor. Seems like he's always kinda disconnected from the war proper, more in his own lil' happy scientist theoretical world. So getting effed right on up might make him seriously question the priorities he's had. That said, please tell me Perceptor's not all grim and gritty now.
They took him beyond grim and gritty. Now he's the scary silent sniper.
"Don't worry, Hal, you never had any character development or got any older! It was giant yellow space bug all the time!" The hell do I ever buy any of Geoff Johns' stuff for anymore?
Eh... I've always preferred Kyle Rayner personally. But it was interesting what Johns did with Parallax and how that ties into the "yellow impurity" as well as the emotional spectrum.
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Dominic wrote:What I am asking is why it is so hard to believe that nearly getting killed might change somebody's perspective. How is that such an unreasonable idea in any franchise?
How many franchises show a race that has been in a civil war for literally millions of years? How reasonable is it that Perceptor has never had a brush with death in all that time? Or a taste of combat? Putting friends back together or seeing them die?
Perceptor's sorta worthless at the "putting friends back together" part, isn't he? I'm just sayin', if I'm ever gut-shot, I do not what a medical research scientist stuffin' my intestines back in me. Give me a combat medic any day of the week. Besides, couldn't fix Prime, and how bad was that movie beating, anyway?

Sparky Prime wrote:Eh... I've always preferred Kyle Rayner personally. But it was interesting what Johns did with Parallax and how that ties into the "yellow impurity" as well as the emotional spectrum.
Given that "Emerald Twilight" was a terrible idea/story, I'll still second this. About Rayner, I mean. While his own book wasn't so hot most of the time, guys like Morrison and Waid were able to do great things with him. And mmmmaybe the "Rebirth" thing was necessary and it did help sales, but the way they went about it just irritated the hell outta me. I'll let the whole "Parrallax" being the evil space-bug go, because they gotta do something, and it was either that or "It was someone else DISGUISED as Hal", so I guess lesser of the two evils. I just loathe stories where "real" character stuff (like aging, or having grown in experience, or even questioning one's life a little or getting married) are written off with goofy retcon like "Giant Yellow Space Bug Living in Head". That irritates me at least as much as "Sold Marriage to the Devil" or "Xorn was pretending to be Magneto pretending to be Xorn".
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138 Scourge wrote:Perceptor's sorta worthless at the "putting friends back together" part, isn't he? I'm just sayin', if I'm ever gut-shot, I do not what a medical research scientist stuffin' my intestines back in me. Give me a combat medic any day of the week. Besides, couldn't fix Prime, and how bad was that movie beating, anyway?
Perceptor was the one that fixed Kup making him as good as new even after it was said Kup's body was severally damaged and too outdated to repair (suggesting Perceptor may have actually built Kup a completely new body). Not to mention Perceptor apparently helped repair Kup's fractured mental state.

Just because Perceptor couldn't save Prime in TFTM doesn't have any relevance here. IDW's G1 universe isn't quite the same as G1.
I just loathe stories where "real" character stuff (like aging, or having grown in experience, or even questioning one's life a little or getting married) are written off with goofy retcon like "Giant Yellow Space Bug Living in Head".
Parallax is more than just a "giant yellow space bug". It is the Fear entity. I can see why it'd annoy some people, but having Parallax force Hal to be evil I personally think is a thousand times better than "sold marriage to the devil" or "Xorn was Magneto pretending to be Xorn" type things.... I mean it was Hal but yet, he wasn't in total control of his actions, allowing room for redemption. But he isn't off the hook so easily. This was especially highlighted in Sinestro Corps War given several Green Lanterns do still blame Hal for it despite knowing he was under the influence of Parallax and Hal is still working at getting back into the good graces among many people on both Earth as well as within the Corps.
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Sparky Prime wrote:Eh... I've always preferred Kyle Rayner personally. But it was interesting what Johns did with Parallax and how that ties into the "yellow impurity" as well as the emotional spectrum.
Oh for- Emotional Spectrum my ass. I said it earlier and I'm saying it again here because it drives me friggin' crazy: Willpower, Hope, Compassion, and Death are not emotions. Who the hell do these writers think they're fooling?

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BWprowl wrote:Oh for- Emotional Spectrum my ass. I said it earlier and I'm saying it again here because it drives me friggin' crazy: Willpower, Hope, Compassion, and Death are not emotions. Who the hell do these writers think they're fooling?
Black/Death isn't actually part of the emotional spectrum. The spectrum is just Red/Rage, Orange/Avarice, Yellow/Fear, Green/Willpower, Blue/Hope, Indigo/Compassion, Violet/Love. Black is the absence of light, and given the "light" of emotional spectrum is created through the thoughts/feelings of sentient life, it makes sense for Black in this case to be the opposite of that, meaning the absence of life.

Willpower I'll grant you can't really be defined as an emotion, but Hope and Compassion most certainly are emotions.
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Great, now I really want a bowl of Lucky Charms.
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Sparky Prime wrote:Willpower I'll grant you can't really be defined as an emotion, but Hope and Compassion most certainly are emotions.
BS. Hope is something you do. You hope that the ring will shut up, you hope that the event book will turn out half-decent. It's an action, if mostly a mental one.

As for compassion, that's a way of life. It's something you treat people (and apparently suck out their souls) with. You can't even 'feel' compassion unless there's someone else in front of you, effectively asking for it. You don't read a story in the newspaper and go "Oh, that makes me feel so compassionate!".

And don't get me started on the fact that all the rings run on the "emotion" of the wearer...except for the yellow ones, which run on the wearer instilling that "emotion" in others. God, did the writers think this through at *all*?
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BWprowl wrote:BS. Hope is something you do. You hope that the ring will shut up, you hope that the event book will turn out half-decent. It's an action, if mostly a mental one.
An emotion is defined as: the affective aspect of consciousness; a state of feeling; a conscious mental reaction (as anger or fear) subjectively experienced as strong feeling usually directed toward a specific object and typically accompanied by physiological and behavioral changes in the body. So....

Hope - the feeling that what is wanted can be had or that events will turn out for the best; to feel that something desired may happen

Hope isn't something you do. Hope is something you feel you want to happen. As such it clearly falls under the definition of an emotion.
As for compassion, that's a way of life. It's something you treat people (and apparently suck out their souls) with. You can't even 'feel' compassion unless there's someone else in front of you, effectively asking for it. You don't read a story in the newspaper and go "Oh, that makes me feel so compassionate!".
Compassion - a feeling of deep sympathy and sorrow for another who is stricken by misfortune, accompanied by a strong desire to alleviate the suffering.

So again, compassion clearly falls under the definition of an emotion. What's it matter if you need to be around someone else to feel compassion? That doesn't make it any less of a feeling. And it sounds like you misinterpreted what Indigo was doing. She was turning the injured Green Lantern's willpower against him to suffocate him, be his "angel of mercy" sort of a thing because she was compassionate to the pain and suffering he was in, despite that it didn't look like he was ready or willing to die.
And don't get me started on the fact that all the rings run on the "emotion" of the wearer...except for the yellow ones, which run on the wearer instilling that "emotion" in others. God, did the writers think this through at *all*?
What are you talking about? The rings don't run off their individual wearers emotion. The wearers are simply the most inclined individuals to wield the power that particular emotion, or in the case of Yellow, to instill that emotion in others. The rings (usually) are charged and run off the power provided by the wearers power battery which channels power directly from the Central Power Battery on each of the Corps home planets.
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Sparky Prime wrote:What are you talking about? The rings don't run off their individual wearers emotion. The wearer is simply the most inclined to wield the power that particular emotion, or in the case of Yellow, to instill that emotion in others.
Or in the case of Green and Blue, which are powered by Willpower and Hope, respectively.

Look, I know they're making this stuff up as they go along, but they could at least try to synch things up a bit better.
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