AOE movie reviews

Money, violence, sex, computer graphics, scatalogical humor, racism, robots designed to be rednecks but given European accents, and maybe another sequel to the saga... what's not to love? TF m1, Revenge of the Fallen, Dark of the Moon and now Age of Extinction.
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Almighty Unicron wrote:If the knights/dinobots were collected on another world, why do they have earth animal altmodes? They were probably collected in Earth's past. It's not like Earth hasn't been repeatedly meddled with by the TFs in this continuity, such as The Fallen with Egypt.
Who's to say they have to be from Earth, that another planet couldn't have animals that look somewhat similar to dinosaurs? Come to think of it, that could actually explain a few things, like why Grimlock has those horns on his head that a T-Rex doesn't have, or why Strafe is a two-headed, two-tailed Pteranodon.

But on the other hand, if the Dinobots had gotten those forms on Earth, how? AOE shows when the dinosaurs roamed the Earth the Transformers hadn't been created yet as the Creators were working on making Transformium to build them, and according to ROTF, it wasn't until 17,000 B.C. (when humans were around) that the Dynasty of Primes, the first Cybertronians themselves, visited Earth. Those events would seem to suggest the Cybertronian race may not be that much older than the Human race in this continuity. Oh, and Lockdown said he spent centuries tracking down the Knights, which really wasn't that long ago all things considered. So how could the Dinobots have ever visited Earth at a point when they would have seen dinosaurs?

I doubt they gave it that much thought either way, but then they didn't give us any explanations at all...
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io9 has posted a FAQ on this movie that is really funny but also incredibly damning:

http://io9.com/transformers-age-of-exti ... 598579492/
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That's how I felt about hearing Transformium too. In fact, my parents and I were talking this week about it and I actually said "They're made out of Transformium. I think that tells us everything we need to know."
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Going to see it Sunday! As long as it's more like the first and third movies, and it entertains me, I'll be happy.
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Producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura talks about critics negativity towards the Transformers films in an MTV interview.
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Man. Words can't really describe what a...fatiguing experience this movie was. I have a high tolerance for bullshit in movies. If it's got an aesthetic I kinda like or bad acting or whatever, I'm all in. But this is...I actually need more time to verbally process everything.
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Sparky Prime wrote:Producer Lorenzo di Bonaventura talks about critics negativity towards the Transformers films in an MTV interview.
Talk about a chip on the shoulder, and he's entirely wrong, the critics understand it fine, it's just that these movies are incompetent cinematic storytelling and cover it up with endless effects and action-vomit. The guy bitches and misses the low user ratings as well, so his claim is horseshit. Michael Bay hasn't matured, his movies are worse than ever, he is using the same camera tricks and storytelling gimmicks over and over - he's poison for the movies, he makes movies that sell tickets but are bad stories and don't understand characters, they sell so they get emulated, but they are the downward spiral, and it has nothing to do with who he is, everything to do with the films he makes.

He also did this at a few other outlets, as seen here:
http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-new ... -4-180641/

He comes off as a douche nozzle in that IGN piece. He misses the point because he's grown tired of hearing how shitty these movies really are, so he blames others for these latest negative reviews. But they're just reviewing it as if it were a competent cinematic story and it's coming up short. They're not comparing it to arthouse films or auteur masterpieces, they're comparing it to regular ol' popcorn films like Raiders of the Lost Ark, Batman Begins, The Matrix, James Bond, X-Men, etc.. Those aren't Oscar-bait films, they're just competent stories using the medium well, while Bayverse simply is not.

When Bonaventura says things like "[t]he truth is, it's not like we sit down and go, 'All right, let's think about how we can explore the mythology further,'" and "[h]onestly, we haven't thought through some of those questions [about terraforming and the Dinobots]", he's unintentionally explaining part of these movies' problems: nobody really is thinking about things on even a basic level. They put all their efforts into fluff and ignore thinking through the junk they throw at the screen because they only put it in there to be "cool".
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JediTricks wrote:Talk about a chip on the shoulder, and he's entirely wrong, the critics understand it fine, it's just that these movies are incompetent cinematic storytelling and cover it up with endless effects and action-vomit. The guy bitches and misses the low user ratings as well, so his claim is horseshit.
I wouldn't say he's entirely wrong. I can't agree with everything he says, but I do think he makes some good points about the critics any least. Sure the Transformers films have their problems with the story, but I can't tell you how many critics reviews I've seen tend to stop at 'big loud action movie' with out really reviewing the film itself. Also I wouldn't exactly call the user rating low on Rotten Tomatoes. It's still above 50% in the 'liked it' range, and there's a fairly sizable gap between that and the critics rating. So I do think he's right that there is a disconnect between the critics and the general audience.
When Bonaventura says things like "[t]he truth is, it's not like we sit down and go, 'All right, let's think about how we can explore the mythology further,'" and "[h]onestly, we haven't thought through some of those questions [about terraforming and the Dinobots]", he's unintentionally explaining part of these movies' problems: nobody really is thinking about things on even a basic level. They put all their efforts into fluff and ignore thinking through the junk they throw at the screen because they only put it in there to be "cool".
Yeah, that is a problem with the people in charge of making these films. Those really are things they should have thought about and explained. It's really disappointing to see they really don't give as much thought (if any) to those elements like they should.
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Got through it last night. After watching it, I thought it was pretty awful, but after sleeping on it and reflecting on it this morning…it’s still pretty awful.

It’s just a dumb, hateful, shallow movie, packed to the brim with content seemingly designed to purposefully turn you off to every character, concept, and conflict introduced. No joke, around the end of the movie I actually found myself rooting for Galvatron and Kelsey Grammar, because at least their positions were mildly principled (if only in their own off way) and they could articulate them with some consistency.

You sure as hell aren’t going to have any love lost for the Autobots. After Optimus let half of Chicago get blown up in the last movie to ‘teach humans a lesson’, he suddenly takes it personally when the lesson they learned is “Maybe we shouldn’t rely on sociopathic aliens to save us all the time”, and turns into a berserker engine of vengeance, bellowing “I’ll kill you!” what feels like every five minutes and eventually having to learn from Marky Mark the same lesson he himself was espousing in the previous movies (“Humans aren’t so bad, they have potential”). The rest of the Autobots are similarly contemptible assholes. They’re brought together just to be annoying jerks to each other, seriously, there’s no camaraderie between the Autobots in this movie at all, they spend the whole time insulting and calling each other names and getting into scrapes on their downtime and generally just being douchebags. If the movie was supposed to be pushing the idea that this is a ragtag group of otherwise loners that’s being forced together by virtue of being the only Autobots left, then it might have had more of a point if they’d ‘come together’ as a team at the end, but they don’t, they stay independent and singular through the whole thing; Drift and Crosshairs leave Hound to defend the city by himself so they can go sit on their asses and watch Optimus fight the Dinobots by himself, then have the gall to comment on what a great leader he is. Don’t even get me started on when they suddenly turn into spiteful, murderous monsters for the whole time they’re on Lockdown’s ship. Hound liquefies a random alien for spitting on him. Our heroes, everybody!

The movie similarly continuously glorifies these hateful, mean-spirited moments. Marky Mark’s friend Adrian gets fried in the first hour, and the scene tastelessly lingers on his crispy corpse for naught but shock value. Tessa is treated less as a character and more as some macguffin for Marky Mark and her boyfriend to fight over (she makes almost none of her own decisions throughout the entire movie, everything counting down to whether she’s doing something for her dad or her boyfriend). We’re supposed to be shocked and appalled when Galvatron smashes some civilian cars up in his initial outing, but when Bumblebee’s flipping and exploding random boats and torching bridges, it’s all good! The list goes on and on.

Aside from all the nonsensical plot-holes already mentioned (Prime fixing himself is a big one, not to mention him taking a big, obvious, I’M OPTIMUS PRIME altmode when he’s still supposed to be on the run and in hiding) there’re some other big ones. Optimus gets dropped a SHOCKING REVEAL from Lockdown that he was built by Creators for some purpose, then just a few minutes later he’s telling the humans the whole story as if he knew it all along. The Dinobots just kind of show up in the last twenty minutes with little effort (Lockdown’s backstory on them is very rushed, mushed together with some nonsense blending Optimus into it which completely contradicts everything we know about him up til now and only exists to give Lockdown an excuse to want to capture him) only to do almost nothing.

Regarding some of the characters: Drift is horrid, playing like some horribly outdated “Wise Samurai” stereotype (seriously, was his dialogue written in the 70’s?). Cade Yeager (which is an awful, awful name), is immensely unsympathetic for his plights, violently chasing innocent people off his lawn and being a shallow manchild throughout the whole thing (And does he grow? Mature at all throughout the film? Of course not, he gets a cool new toy and saves the day!). As already mentioned, I could actually *almost* side with Attinger on this thing, given what unrepentant douchebags the Autobots are and how they seem to blow up any major city they try to ‘save’ in any of the films (seriously, they just purposefully blow up this plant in China in the end!), and at least his motivations and ideals were somewhat consistent (Grammar actually does a pretty good job, his character is rather wasted on this film). Galvatron is similarly decent, at least having a simple ‘revenge’ scheme and being a cool-looking and interesting concept (in fact I’m rather fond of the way the human-built TFs transform, it’s a very cool-looking effect).

Oh, and they make a point of bringing back Brains, a character I’m sure everyone was just clamoring for the return of.

Really, given that this is a summer action blockbuster made to sell toys and promoting itself chiefly on the spectacle of ROBOT KNIGHTS RIDING DINOSAURS, it wouldn’t be unreasonable to go into it expecting a modicum of fun or enjoyment, but there’s none of that; it’s all dumb, mean-spirited hatefulness. By the end you’ll be exhausted from all this crap, happy to watch Optimus fire up his boosters and fly into space (because, uh, he can do that now) and say goodbye to this whole thing forever. It’s bad, but it’s hard to say if it’s ‘worse’ than ROTF. ROTF was a poorly-constructed, incoherent mess. AoE actually holds together somewhat decently as a story, but that story is so pointedly unenjoyable, so cartoonishly unlikable on almost every level, that you can’t even eke some amusement out of it, it’s just a drag.

This turned into way longer of a rant than I intended, and I could actually still go on and on about how unhappy I was with this movie, but I think that’s plenty.

And hey, at least some of the toys are still pretty cool-looking. :roll:
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BWprowl wrote:After Optimus let half of Chicago get blown up in the last movie to ‘teach humans a lesson’,

Like the Autobots weren't asked to leave Earth by the government after the Decepticons issued a threat in the first place?
he suddenly takes it personally when the lesson they learned is “Maybe we shouldn’t rely on sociopathic aliens to save us all the time”, and turns into a berserker engine of vengeance, bellowing “I’ll kill you!” what feels like every five minutes and eventually having to learn from Marky Mark the same lesson he himself was espousing in the previous movies (“Humans aren’t so bad, they have potential”)
Considering the Autobots saved humanity from enslavement (and saved the sun in the film before that), being secretly hunted down by a black ops team is a bit of the opposite reaction you'd expect. I think it makes sense Optimus would become a little disillusioned with the human race after that.
Drift and Crosshairs leave Hound to defend the city by himself so they can go sit on their asses and watch Optimus fight the Dinobots by himself
Hound and Bumblebee fell off the ramp of the ship when it was shot down and crashed several miles away, which is when Optimus decides to free the Dinobots for some more reinforcements, they didn't just leave them.
We’re supposed to be shocked and appalled when Galvatron smashes some civilian cars up in his initial outing, but when Bumblebee’s flipping and exploding random boats and torching bridges, it’s all good!
Difference being Galvatron was supposed to be under the control of a human operator at the time, and instead was acting out on his own, purposefully smashing up some civilian vehicles.
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