New Drift TPB

[BWprowl]

Dom
-notes that the aliens have Lockdown's upgrade fetish.

Not only that, they kinda look like him too.

So...do I have to buy another Lockdown for my G1 Decepticon shelf now?

[Onslaught Six]

For some reason I do feel the need to clarify that when I say "asshole loudmouth fan spouting what he thinks" I'm not referring to anyone here, nor the reviews. You guys are definately not loudmouths nor assholes. At least not to me. And also for the record I often find the reviews to be quite useful.

Clearly I'm not the person you thought I was, as I am both a loudmouth and an asshole.

[Sydew]

I wonder if issue 4 won't finish off the current storyline and end with Drift remaining with the third faction for the forseeable future? That would make the most sense.

I'm definitely with you on that one.

Ignorance is bliss. I don't give a toss who Willis is (or Milne even for that matter), I care only about the story and the art being good. If it is, I'm a happy camper and I don't really care who wrote it, who drew it, or which asshole fan has to be a loudmouth about what he thinks of it. Even the fact that Willis has been outspoken enough lately for me to even know who he is, is such a HUGE irritation to me. He's a fan. Period. He's no higher up the food chain that I am and as it is, I barely give a fuck what I think.

That's exactly the way see it! I haven't even read his complaints and I really don't care, if getting all worked up on something that has no relevance whatsoever in the grander scheme of anything makes him happy that's his problem, in the end he's the one who's going to enjoy the heart attack he gets, not me.

So...do I have to buy another Lockdown for my G1 Decepticon shelf now?

You should definitely get the new mold of Lockdown, Milne kind of based his desing on it. And to me it works perfectly with Generations Drift.

[BWprowl]

You should definitely get the new mold of Lockdown, Milne kind of based his desing on it. And to me it works perfectly with Generations Drift.

Well that's the thing, I already have the ROTF Lockdown toy (along with the original Animated version). But he's been living on my Movie shelf. So I was wondering if I should get another one to hang out with my G1 Decepticons. It strikes me as something Dom would do.

[Dominic]

As I said above, Milne included a guy who looked like Hotshot at the urging of his friend, who dislikes Willis. I am annoyed by the reasoning for Milne choosing a particular character model more than the use of the model itself. Milne is a professional. He is not being paid to fuel idiotic vendettas against obnoxious fans. If I am going to pay ~$4 for a comics, I expect better than that.


As far as what shelf you put Lockdown on, who the hell cares? Hasbro does not. They just folded "Generations" onto the primarily (if not entirely) yellow movie cards. Between Grapple and Windcharger, they are releasing non-movie looking characters in movie packaging. (I have no idea what their file cards will say.) Apparently, Hasbro's new and unified continuity is just vague and sloppy. The sculpt on Lockdown could go either way.

Hell, *I* am ignoring packaging and will likely put Lockdown on a shelf with Drift in the not too distant future.


Dom
-ah, Monday.

[Shockwave]

As I said above, Milne included a guy who looked like Hotshot at the urging of his friend, who dislikes Willis. I am annoyed by the reasoning for Milne choosing a particular character model more than the use of the model itself. Milne is a professional. He is not being paid to fuel idiotic vendettas against obnoxious fans. If I am going to pay ~$4 for a comics, I expect better than that.

I get what you're saying, and to an extent you're right that it sets a bad precedent that could escalate to something ridiculous. But for just this particular situation, if you didn't know all the "behind the scenes" stuff would you really care? I mean, if you just read the story and ignore everything else, it really doesn't matter. I say let them squabble all they want, I really don't care as long as the comic doesn't directly suffer from it. And here it didn't.

[Dominic]

I would not care if I did not know. But, the fact is that I do know. And, it is not at all unprecedented for creator tantrums to impact the book. (I recall a stretch in the 90s when it would have been impossible to understand Peter David's run on "The Incredible Hulk" if one did not know what was going on in the Bullpen.) This does not make for good comics. And, as I said before, it is both unprofessional and a waste of reader money.

To use another example, I try not to get to into the backstage elements of wrestling. I do not care who has a drinking problem. I do not care who has "legit heat" with who. Well, I do not care until it affects a match or some other element of the hobby. Jake the Snake being a drunk is a problem if one attends a match that he shows up drunk for. (It is also a problem for guys wrestling with him.) Hulk Hogan (the actor) being, by most accounts, a spoiled child does not impact my sentimental appreciation for Hogan the character from the 80s. But, knowing that he has creative/booking control over TNA makes me wary of being interested in that promotion.

I agree with you that we should be able to enjoy the hobby. But, that is harder to do when creators cannot check their damned egos at the door.

Dom
-at least Furman stays away from this sort of idiotic drama.

[Shockwave]

How do you find this stuff anyway? I mean, I consider myself fairly well informed on stuff, but stuff like this always seems to escape me (not that I mind, I don't really care about the behind the scenes drama anyway, but...).

Incidently, what did Peter David do?

[Dominic]

It was mentioned on AllSpark, IDW's boards, and of course Willis's blog. Willis said he was not upset about Milne, but instead whined about Tipton's post-hoc fix.


In the mid 90s, when Marvel tried to reboot a number of titles and characters with "Heroes Reborn", there were a few people who were not happy about this, including several of the writers. Their professional unhappiness should be obvious enough. But, for David, it was personal, owing to a grudge with Image's McFarlane.

McFarlane had nothing to do with "Heroes Reborn". But, it was still seen as "Image and Marvel working together" by many people. And, David used to hammer Liefeld, (tapped for "Captain America" and "the Avengers"), pretty hard in his regular CBG column back in the day....

This next part is based on what a friend told me David was going to do. This guy actually had a semi-regular correspondence with David. And, there was evidence for it in the Hulk comics of the time.

-David was *really* not happy with the proposed change in direction to what he saw as his book. He was, in fact, so unhappy that he refused to acknowledge it.

-David kept handing in the scripts as he would have written them, Marvel's directives be damned.

-These scripts were effecitvely unpublishable.

[Dominic]

Sorry, it got hard to type there..


Anyway, David handed in effectively unpublishable scripts. Marvel would heavily edit them, essentially rewriting them from scratch.

The whole series got very disjointed for a while there, almost like it was being written/re-written on the fly. And, if you knew what was going on in the bullpen, you knew why. If you did not, you just put it down to being "90s Marvel sucking".

I really hate to side with any of Marvel's 90s editorial directives, but they were legally and morally right on this one. It was their IP, not David's.


Dom
-really wants the damned drama out of the comics.