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Dominic wrote:"Brightest Day" will likely finish the reset. Dolphin will likely come back. Firestorm will be Raymond and Stein. Rusch will likely die heroically after a (not totally unjustified) attempt at revenge against Raymond goes awry. And so on....
I still don't see why you are so quick to jump those conclusions. It's too early in the story to know how anything will turn out, not to mention early indications suggest the opposite of your theories to be true. With Firestorm being currently stuck as a fusion between Ronnie and Jason, it is unlikely that status quo will change any time soon. Same goes for the 'dead means dead' thing, unless of course the person wasn't actually dead in the first place. Given Dolphin was a Black Lantern, it is unlikely she will return.
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138 Scourge wrote:Spider-Man: Fever #2: Prowl, did you get this one? I remember you asked about it last month. Anyway, the second issue has me convinced. This is awesome. Spider-Man goes wandering around is some crazy-assed Steve Ditko-esque psychedelic astral plane. Amazing, amazing artwork.
Aw man. I did pick up #1 after you talked about it, and I was impresses with the artwork, if not the story. I didn't get #2 this week, but if the art has continued to improve as you say, I may go back and grab it tomorrow.

Anyway, some of the stuff I got las week.

Thor and the Warriors Four #2:
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This is really all you need to know. Well this, and Thor and Bill's oblique rendition of "I Will Survive" at the beginning. This book is wonderful.

Red Robin #12: Yost's run wraps up in spectacular fashion. This series has easily been my favorite of the "Batman Reborn" banner, and manages to bring together myriad plot elements from the whole run up to this point a lot more cleanly than Morrison's been trying to do in his book. Speaking of which...

Batman & Robin #12: Scourge, are you still reading this one? We finally find out who Oberon Sexton is! It was actually pretty surprising and well executed! Actually, the Batman vs. Robin arc on the whole has been surprisingly decent, especially after the dismal 'Blackest Knight' arc. On the other hand, its end here seems to be plainly setting up for a standard Morrison fustercluck of offhand references being major plot points, everyone coming in with a different agenda, and not being able to 'get it' unless I recognize some artifact from the Silver Age. I only recently got what "Final Crisis" was about, Morrison! I don't have time to use /co/ as a book club to figure out what the hell you're getting at!

It's kinda funny. If Morrison weren't so intent on taking himself *seriously*, he could probably combine all his signature elements into something as purely enjoyable as Thor and the Warriors Four.
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All that panel reminds me of is Dragonball Z Abridged.
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Warriors Four was out this week? Sonofabitch! I'll have to hit up one of the shops after work.
Dominic wrote: too many people likely would have enjoyed it as....well a house-elf gang-bang.
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Can't seem to edit a post on my phone, so double-post ahoy!

You know, I was still enjoying Batman and Robin, but I missed an issue, and since I was behind, and then this was Bruce coming back and all, and also since I'm just so apathetic to DC lately, I kind of just let it go. Maybe while I'm at the shop I'll catch up.
Dominic wrote: too many people likely would have enjoyed it as....well a house-elf gang-bang.
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138 Scourge wrote:
andersonh1 wrote: As an aside, it's good to see Aquaman looking clean-cut again, with his old orange and green uniform and both hands. Back when I was buying his book and Peter David was the author, Aquaman had a beard and long hair and had his hand chewed off by pirhanas, after which he replaced it with a hook and grapple like. Very 90s. He was also cheating on his wife with Dolphin, apparently.
I remember those days. Actually, I liked that a lot. The beard and hair worked to give him a more regal look, and kind of played to a pirate/mariner sort of image at the same time. The hand, though...eh, I didn't mind it, really. Again, kind of iconic mariner thing, and the second hook he had wasn't that bad. Different tastes. Still, much as I liked the nineties version, I've got nothing against the orange and green. That's an awesome color combination.
I liked the 90s version at the time, and still enjoy reading those old issues, but it's very much of its time, and it's the "grim and gritty" version of the character. Yeah, it's interesting, but at the same time it's a little over the top. I can't imagine something like that happening to Aquaman any time other than the middle of the 1990s.
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Sparky, you have been reading comics nearly as long as I have. (You are ~7 years younger than I am. But, that is not so much given our respective ages. I started in '84 with "Transformers".) You should see the patterns as well as I do. "Things change. They change back. They change again. They change back......."

There is every reason to think that will be the case with "Brightest Day".

It's kinda funny. If Morrison weren't so intent on taking himself *seriously*, he could probably combine all his signature elements into something as purely enjoyable as Thor and the Warriors Four.
*sigh*

We have been over this before. Morrison is deliberately writing self-indulgent tripe in a deliberate effort to undermine comics. He may once have had affection for the industry. But, that is gone, and has been replaced with bitterness about the state of the industry. But, rather than write good comics, he writes deliberately bad ones to show how awful comics are.

Part of me wonders if his Lex Luthor, as shown in "All Star Superman", was not an act of self-flaggelation. ("You could have saved the world a long time ago if you cared!")

On a semi-related note: Frank Quietly needs to grow the hell up and learn to meet a deadline.


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Dominic wrote:Sparky, you have been reading comics nearly as long as I have. (You are ~7 years younger than I am. But, that is not so much given our respective ages. I started in '84 with "Transformers".) You should see the patterns as well as I do. "Things change. They change back. They change again. They change back......."

There is every reason to think that will be the case with "Brightest Day".
Sure, things have a tendency to go back and forth in comics, but I see absolutely no reason for what you're suggesting to happen in "Brightest Day". Establishing something in one story and then immediately turning around to undo it in the next? That makes absolutely no sense at all. When has anything changed back that fast in comics? Johns has twice now tried to give Death meaning in DC Comics. The first, from Teen Titans #31, was pretty much over looked, being a fairly minor plot on the grand scheme. "Blackest Night" on the other hand, was a major company wide event. Not to mention, Johns is now Chief Creative Officer at DC Comics, putting him in a position to influence and enforce creative moves. As such, I can't see him going back on something he spent a couple years worth to get established in the comics, especially not that quickly.
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Johns also brought back Barry Allen, effectivley undoing one of the most meaningful deaths, if not the most meaningful death, in comics. And, "Blackest Night" brought back several character more or less "just like they were". "Brightest Day" will likely continue that trend.
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Dominic wrote:Johns also brought back Barry Allen, effectivley undoing one of the most meaningful deaths, if not the most meaningful death, in comics. And, "Blackest Night" brought back several character more or less "just like they were". "Brightest Day" will likely continue that trend.
That's not turning around and undoing something he just established in the previous story though, these are examples of things that happened several years ago. Barry Allen was effectively dead for about 24 years. And most of the character's brought back in "Blackest Night", as I've previously explained, are hardly "just like they were" as you term it. Lord is still evil. Firestorm is a new fusion of old and new, and currently stuck in that fusion. Deadman is alive and so on...

I'd agree there is likely to be more changes brought about in "Brightest Day" but it is highly unlikely that Johns would so quickly undo something he just established in "Blackest Night" as you suggest.
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