All Hail Megatron Discussion thread

[Onslaught Six]

Is it hot in here, or is it just me?

[Shockwave]

A little toasty, but I expect it'll cool off soon.

[Sparky Prime]

Ok, first off, YOU'RE the one who mentioned the DEGREE of Sunstreaker's mental state. All I was doing was pointing out how blatantly obvious it was in the story. My comment about pie charts (regardless of how douchy it may have sounded) was actually to ask you exactly how much more clarification you would need on that. Unless you're using some outlandishly different definition of the word degree. I've already outlined multiple times how this was clearly displayed and at this point I can only conclude that you just refuse to see what's there or that you're just hellbound and determined to flat out disagree. The rest of us get it, you don't. Fine. I'm just going to leave it at that as, just like in the Starscream discussion, I'm done beating my head against a wall.

Yes, I mentioned my opinion in response to something Dom said, but you are still the one that called that comment into question in the first place, opening a new line of debate on that subject. And again, I replied to further explain/defend my point of view of why I made that comment. While you might see what you do as "blatantly obvious", clearly I don't based on my own point of view, which I have also outlined multiple times. It's not about who "gets it". It is a difference of opinion. Nothing more. There was no need to take that somewhat hostile attitude toward me that you did for that.

I just find it frustrating to explain something so obvious to someone who I know is smart enough to get it but just flat out refuses to.

No, it's not at all that I'm refusing to see what you're explaining. I see your point and I understand it, and I apologize that I didn't make that clear. However, the interpretation of the events you have is a bit different than mine, and that's something you also need to take a step back and realize. What you cite as obvious examples, I'm looking at in a different way, resulting in a different interpretation. I was just trying to explain it as I saw it. Again, a difference of opinion.

And while we're on the issue of attitudes, let's talk about yours shall we? I've noticed that a lot of your posts start off with the words "I don't agree" or "I disagree". It has gotten to the point that I can't help wondering if you ever agree with anyone on anything. Evar!! Especially when you bring up stuff like this that's so glaringly obvious. It really just makes me think that you're just disagreeing just for the sake of disagreeing. I can only recall you using the words "I agree" once. In the entire few months that I've been here.

Of course I'm saying "I don't agree" a lot lately. I appear to be in the minority opinion on a few current/ongoing subjects on these forums (AHM and Blackest Night namely). I don't see that as wrong really. I'm free to voice my opinions whether or not I agree with others. But you're over exaggerating on how much I don't agree with others. I'm sure if you looked around the boards enough, you'd find me agreeing with people on various things as well, even if I don't expressly say the words "I agree".

And again, what's "obvious" to one person can be up for debate given various interpretations and opinions.

You also never acknowledge when people see your point and I never EVER see you crack a joke, which is nothing short of suspicious. Seriously, crack a joke. I don't trust people with no sense of humor. Lighten up, quit taking this all so seriously. It's a hobby, start acting like you enjoy it. I know I've used a lot of absolutes and I know there are exceptions, but the observations are still valid.

Ok, maybe I do take things a bit too seriously sometimes (hey look, I just agreed with you!), but it isn't true that I never acknowledge others points or crack jokes. And sometimes debating some of these things honestly is part of what I enjoy about the hobby. People do it all the time, about the movies, the cartoons, comics, the toys... All of it. This one in particular just seems to be bigger than most. Nothing wrong with that.

I've been working on this too long and it feels like it's starting to become a novel.... If there is something I didn't cover or missed I'm sorry, but I think I hit the main issues at least.

[Shockwave]

Ok, maybe I do take things a bit too seriously sometimes (hey look, I just agreed with you!),

That's funny! And I do remember you also agreeing with me on the whole characterization thing in the comics thread. Meant to referrence that in my last post, but if I forgot, I'm sorry. And I think I took this too seriously too. I'm going to take my own advice and lighten up . And while I may have come across as hostile/irritated, I really hope I didn't cross that line into the realm of disrespectful. I really have no desire to disrespect you or anyone else on these boards.

Anyway, back on topic, having said all of this now, I think you and I are on different pages. In hindsight I definately realize that I really do not understand your point, especially what you mean when you refer to the degree of his mental state. I would have to say that attempted genocide is by any measure about as far gone as you could get. With the possible exception of Unicron who wants to commit unicide. Univercide? Uni... I dunno. I think you're either using a different scale to measure that or you might mean something completely different that I've missed?

[Sparky Prime]

And while I may have come across as hostile/irritated, I really hope I didn't cross that line into the realm of disrespectful. I really have no desire to disrespect you or anyone else on these boards.

I wouldn't say you were disrespectful. No harm done at least.

Anyway, back on topic, having said all of this now, I think you and I are on different pages. In hindsight I definately realize that I really do not understand your point, especially what you mean when you refer to the degree of his mental state. I would have to say that attempted genocide is by any measure about as far gone as you could get. With the possible exception of Unicron who wants to commit unicide. Univercide? Uni... I dunno. I think you're either using a different scale to measure that or you might mean something completely different that I've missed?

I was referring more to how Sunstreaker's personality had changed as a result of the trauma. Maybe mental state wasn't the best term I could have used to describe it, but at any rate... We can clearly see Sunstreaker was effected by said trauma, but to what degree? Is he still the vain and aggressive Autobot we knew? He seemed to me to be much more submissive in AHM rather than aggressive.

[Shockwave]

Oh ok, you meant in regards to his personality. I thought you meant in relation to how he felt about humans. My bad. Yeah, I'd have to agree with you on that then.

[Dominic]

And yet, his hands would still be dirty. Sunstreaker himself would still know that he did.

Sunstreaker would likely not care though. There are plenty of things that people think/do that they have no problem with, but would rather others not know about.

He would not see wanting the humans dead as making him less heroic, but he knows it would be bad for his image to go public with this.

Dom
-and, he probably would not want muck on his hands. Would you?

[Sparky Prime]

Sunstreaker would likely not care though. There are plenty of things that people think/do that they have no problem with, but would rather others not know about.

He would not see wanting the humans dead as making him less heroic, but he knows it would be bad for his image to go public with this.

How do you know he would likely not care? You keep saying he wants to keep this public image of being heroic but doesn't that in and of itself imply that he does indeed care? And you keep ignoring how Sunstreaker would see himself. He's supposed to be an Autobot, a faction that upholds certain ideals of freedom and justice for all. You can't tell me that at least some part of Sunstreaker wouldn't care.

-and, he probably would not want muck on his hands. Would you?

This is about Sunstreaker here and what has done. What I would do isn't relevant here.

[Shockwave]

I don't think it's so much that he wouldn't care, it's that he wouldn't be sorry he did it. And since it was wrong and went against the ideals of his faction he would have to hide it from everyone else.

[Sparky Prime]

I don't think it's so much that he wouldn't care, it's that he wouldn't be sorry he did it. And since it was wrong and went against the ideals of his faction he would have to hide it from everyone else.

That's part of what I'm talking about. Like you say, I dunno that he'd necessarily feel sorry for what he did it, but certainly it's something he'd care about. What he did literally and figuratively betrayed the Autoobts and what they stand for. If he didn't care at least about that, then what is he even fighting with the Autobots for?

Somewhat off topic: I've been playing a lot of Mega Man X Collection lately and I keep having this thought of Sunstreaker saying "What am I fighting for!?!?" like Zero does in X4...