All Hail Megatron Discussion thread

[Shockwave]

And y'know, I actually got the impression that Ramjet had asked Skywarp to be there. The other Decepticons avoiding RJ because of Megatron's warning after Starscream tried to take over. They don't want to even associate with anyone that's even thought of trying to take over. At least on that level, SW was sticking his neck out by even talking to RJ. It's different scenarios at least on the level of "overthrow the leader" vs. "helping the enemy". It's not the same thing. Thundercracker actually helped the Autobots. Skywarp was so shocked, horrified, confused and angry that his knee-jerk reaction is "kill the traitor".

[Onslaught Six]

It's not the situations so much as it is the principal of the matter. The Seekers are somewhat of a subfaction within the Decepticon army. The way I see it, Skywarp is kinda looking out for Ramjet, but allows him to make his own mistakes anyway. It isn't much different with Thundercracker. TC breaks ranks, and Skywarp steps in, only this time he deals with the 'betrayal' personally rather than just talking with Thundercracker.

Ramjet is not one of the core three Seekers, he is a Conehead. There is a difference, and throughout AHM it's clear that the three original Seekers are the only ones who share this brotherhood. Dirge shows up in the background a few times, and that's it. (And it's implied Dirge dies anyway.)

[Dominic]

I do not think Thundercracker is so much a big-brother to Skywarp. They struck me more as being about equal in rank. Informally, they Thundercracker might have been a bit more trusted with certain jobs. But, their pay grades and ranks would be about the same. (I meant to post this a bit earlier actually.)

Skywarp gong out of his way to warn Ramjet would disagree with that notion.

Taking a few minutes to say, "dude, this is a bad idea", is only going out of your way if you are a completely Randian ass-hole. Ramjet called Skywarp up and wanted to talk. Skywarp ducked out of work, (cuz he would do that sort of thing), and shot the poop with Ramjet for a bit. In the course of that conversation, he advised Ramjet against doing something stupid. But, as Prowl pointed out, that sort of thing happens often enough that Skywarp is not going to get too worked up about it.

But, Thundercracker is not only going against the boss, but he is going against the formal and informal rules of the game. And, Skywarp expects more of his buddy. That is why he was mad enough to kill Thundercracker.


Dom
-not sure why this is so hard to understand.

[Shockwave]

I think it's just a matter of scale. Both RJ and TC did something "wrong". But from SW's view, RJ did something akin to cheating on a test where as TC did something akin to bangin his girlfirend.

[Dominic]

Or his mom.


Dom
-what? What? Do not look at me like that! You were thinking it too!

[Shockwave]

Or his mom.


Dom
-what? What? Do not look at me like that! You were thinking it too!

I SO was. You totally read my mind!

[Sparky Prime]

Dude, he's freaked out, confused, and pissed off. It's a heat of the moment thing. *That's* how angry Thundercracker stopping the bomb made him. That's the whole point.

How is he freaked out and confused? All I'm seeing is that he's pissed off at Thundercracker because he thinks he has betrayed the Decepticons. But he still has it within him to talk (well, yell at him at any rate) to Thundercracker before he blasts him. With that in mind, couldn't he wait a few more seconds for Thundercracker to try and explain his side? After all, that's the "civil" and "brotherly" thing to do. That's the whole point I'm getting at.

Ramjet is not one of the core three Seekers, he is a Conehead. There is a difference, and throughout AHM it's clear that the three original Seekers are the only ones who share this brotherhood.

I never said Ramjet was a core Seeker, I said he was a Seeker, which the Condeheads are technically a part of. They might not be as close as the core 3 are, but there is still somewhat of a connection between all of the Seekers.

Taking a few minutes to say, "dude, this is a bad idea", is only going out of your way if you are a completely Randian ass-hole. Ramjet called Skywarp up and wanted to talk. Skywarp ducked out of work, (cuz he would do that sort of thing), and shot the poop with Ramjet for a bit. In the course of that conversation, he advised Ramjet against doing something stupid. But, as Prowl pointed out, that sort of thing happens often enough that Skywarp is not going to get too worked up about it.

But, Thundercracker is not only going against the boss, but he is going against the formal and informal rules of the game. And, Skywarp expects more of his buddy. That is why he was mad enough to kill Thundercracker.

Again, these are Decepticons we're talking about. They're practically an entire army of "completely Randian ass-holes". Skywarp doesn't have to tell Ramjet his plan sucks. He didn't even have to talk to him at all. But he does anyway.

And it's not the point that Skywarp was mad enough to kill Thundercracker I'm arguing against, it's the point that Skywarp didn't give Thundercracker a chance to explain before he blasted him.

-not sure why this is so hard to understand.

It seems you're on a different page.

[Shockwave]

And it's not the point that Skywarp was mad enough to kill Thundercracker I'm arguing against, it's the point that Skywarp didn't give Thundercracker a chance to explain before he blasted him.

I do see your point here, but what the rest of us are arguing is that it's a case of one because of the other. As you just said, Skywarp was mad enough to kill Thundercracker, but what we're arguing is that he was made enough and felt betrayed enough to kill Thundercracker at that moment and didn't care what the explanation was. It was a crime of passion plain and simple. Now when the ongoing series begins Thundy might get a chance to explain himself. I mean come on, when in transformers has anyone ever not been able to come back from a shot to the face? Y'know, just sayin.

[Dominic]

Now when the ongoing series begins Thundy might get a chance to explain himself. I mean come on, when in transformers has anyone ever not been able to come back from a shot to the face? Y'know, just sayin.

I have said it before, and will likely say it again. Thundercracker is not as important as Barry Allen, (nor is Sunstreaker). But, if/when Thundercracker comes back, I will be *very* annoyed.


Dom

[Shockwave]

Who is Barry Allen? And unless he turns into a giant robot I'd argue that Thundercracker and Sunstreaker are more important to TFs. I'll confess that I'll be annoyed if and when Sunny and Thundy come back. Although leaving them dead would make a nice set up for a story about Skywarp regretting his actions in retrospect.