What's your opinion on, Live action TF movies & movie toys.

[Tigermegatron]

What's your over all opinion on the Live action TF movies & movie verse toy lines.

my 2 cents below:

AS FAR AS THE ACTUAL LIVE ACTION TF MOVIES GOES:

I only enjoy watching the live action TF movies for the couple of minutes of CGI Robots scenes that are in each movie. the CGI scenes are trully amazing,superb & top notch.

I loathe the humans,the dialogue,the stories. shia is the worst actor i've ever had the displeasure of watching in a movie. I don't mind josh duhamel & his army guys. I dis-like shia/sam,his family & friends in the three live action TF movies.

Shia le bouf,is the worst actor i've ever had the dis-pleasure of watching in a movie. Shia ruins ever scene he's in. shia can't act thru the emotions properly. I hate it when shia over-acts & ruins a scene. over-acting by crying too much or getting scarred to much or worse acting too macho. Shia ruined every scene he was in,in that last indiana movie because he over did it with the macho behavior.

Personally going to the theathre to see a TF movie from a humans point of view is a huge insult. is it so hard to create a live action TF movie from a robots point of view. I don't enjoy getting more live action human scenes & less CGI Robots scenes. I don't enjoy the humans stealing all the dialogue spoken words & the robots barely getting a few words of spoken dialogue words per movie. I want the robots to be the stars & the humans to not be the stars.

James cameron,I felt did a excellent job in the Advatar movie. by telling a story from the CGI point of view. by having more CGI scenes & less live action human scenes. by have a slimmed down/small cast of live action humans not over dominate the CGI models. the dialogue & over all story was superb.

I didn't like that their were so many humans & so many groups of humans dominating each live action TF movie. it just seemed a bit over the top,too much,too cluthered. different lives/persona's clashing,everyone tripping over each other. obviously the huge human cast took away valuable screen time+spoken words dialogue from the robots in each live action TF movie.

I'm not a fan of the super tiny transformers in these live action TF movies. because their always portrayed as wild cards,crazies,Psychopath's,un-balanced emotions,losers,rejects,dummies,incompetent,etc... sad thing is these super tiny robots got more scenes & more spoken dialogue than the bigger CGI robots.

AS FAR AS THE MOVIE VERSE TOYS GOES:

I honestly don't care for the weird designs. I'd prefer the toys looked more like Generations or like AEC type designed toy sculpts.

It just seemed like the mis-portioned body parts & limbs on the movie verse toys kept getting worse with every passing newer TF live action movie toy line.

I'm simply not a fan of giving transformers robots hideous bug faces or hideous monster looking faces. I'm a old school TF fan & I prefer my robot faces to look like the diaclone/microman/change--Robot faces

I only bought four DOTM toys which were leader sized sentinel prime. leader sized ironhide, voyager sized megatron. voyager sized Skyhammer. the rest of the DOTM toys,I thought looked awful.

For the 2007 TF movie,I only bought a few voyagers & the two new mold leader sized toys. I didn't like anything else,So I didn't buy any of it.

EDIT CORRECTION: I did buy the deluxe 2007 Arcee. I also bought the 2007 movie deluxe Jazz in those target store exclusive G-1 inspired white+racing decals homage G-1 colors.

For the ROTF toy line,I bought 85% of the voyagers & the three new mold leader sized toys.

I only liked & bought four HA $29.99 toys. which were Jazz,bumblebee in first colors,barricade & Sideswipe in second black colors.

I did buy the walmart store exclusive legends size combiner devestator.

for the HFTD & RTS toy lines,I only bought a few obvious G-1 updated homages that looked like they were supose to be in the generations toy line. I bought the HFTD leader sized starscream because I felt it was a awesome designed mold.

the reason I only bought 4 Dotm toys in 2011. because I just felt hasbro dropped the ball,didn't care & released inferior toys to save money due to the downward spiral economy raising their toy making profits,stuff not selling & gas prices forcing cost to go upward.

I didn't like how the average DOTM new mold had thinner plastic quality,the sculpt was much lower & geared towards toddlers. the engineering & joint technology was inferior to ROTF & the 2007 movie toys.

I dis-like how the mech tech weapon caused cut backs on the robot toys.

I wasn't a fan of the super tiny polly pocker styled DOTM toys dominating the DOTM toy line & out-numbering the bigger TF toys by 10 to 1.

What upset me the most is hasbro only released 6 new mold voyagers in the DOTM toy line. I love the bigger sized TF toys more like voyagers,ultra's & leader sized TF toys. in the past from 2002 thru 2010 most full blown TF toy lines supported by a media cartoon/movie got over 10 new mold voyagers.

The only Bumblebee movie verse toy I own from the three live action TF movie is $29.99 Human alliance bumblebee. I honestly didn't like how hasbro dominated the three live action TF movie toy lines with over one hundred bumblebee toys in different sizes,colors,remolds,etc...the over sized ultimate,battle ops & leader sized movie verse bumblebee toys just seemed absurd,ridiculous & a waste of plastic. Having Bumblebee dominate the $29.99 HA cases literally ruined the HA toys from selling,as most were looking for barricade,jazz & sideswipe & had hard times finding them. having dozens of repainted/remolded deluxe bumblebee was just a bit over-obsessive on hasbro part.

[Onslaught Six]

What upset me the most is hasbro only released 6 new mold voyagers in the DOTM toy line. I love the bigger sized TF toys more like voyagers,ultra's & leader sized TF toys. in the past from 2002 thru 2010 most full blown TF toy lines supported by a media cartoon/movie got over 10 new mold voyagers.

I was curious so I went ahead and counted the Voyagers from Cybertron, the 2007 movie toyline, and ROTF. This is what I got:

Cybertron:
Crumplezone
Vector Prime
Leobreaker
Mudflap
Evac
CD Scattorshot
Dark Crumplezone (Remould)
Soundwave
Nemesis Breaker (Repaint)
Quickmix
GF Vector Prime (Repaint)

That's 8 new moulds!

2007 movie:
Blackout
Ratchet
Starscream
Ironhide
Freezy Megs
Prime
Rescue Ratchet (Repaint)
Thundercracker (Repaint/Remould)

I'm not counting any of the Allspark Power toys, because those started hitting around February '08, which would be comparable to now. So that's 6 new moulds.

ROTF:
Demolishor
Ironhide
Prime (repaint)
Starscream
Ratchet (Repaint from 2007 line)
The Fallen
Megatron
Mixmaster
Stratosphere
Grindor (Repaint from 2007 line)
Long Haul

So that's... 8 new moulds! Which is the same amount as Cybertron. I'm not counting all the NEST toys since, again, they were from the series refresh.

So it seems like every toyline has had 6-8 new moulds since at least Cybertron. I could go back to Energon and further but I imagine Energon would be similar.

[Tigermegatron]

06,Your below list is wrong,you can't just count 6 months from a TF toy line. because in the past Most TF toy lines lasted 18 months.

not counting the 1st movies 2008 voyager molds is cheating.

Not counting the 2ND movies,Nest,HFTD & RTS voyager new molds is also cheating.

Energon toy line voyagers: energon had 8 new mold voyagers.
Alpha Quintessa,Cliffjumper,Ironhide,Jetfire,Mirage,Shockwave,Grimlock+swoop combiner,Wingsaber.

Cybertron Voyagers: Cybertron had 9 new mold voyagers.
Leobreaker,crumblezone,defense scattershot,evac,Vector Prime,TRU Voyager sized Starscream,mudflap,quickmix,soundwave.

2007 Movie voyagers: had 7 new mold voyagers.
Optimus prime,Megatron,Blackout,ratchet,Ironhide,Starscream,incinerator.

2008 Animated voyagers: had 10 voyager new molds

lugnut,blitzwing,Starscream,megatron,shockwave,grimlock,optimus prime,bulkhead,wreckgar,Safeguard

2009 Voyagers,2nd movie ROTF,Nest,HFTD,RTS: had 13 new mold voyagers.
Demolisher,Starscream,longhaul,megatron,stratosphere,the fallen,bludgeon,mindwipe,mixmaster,new mold optimus prime,sea spray,
highbrow,lugnut.

What upset me the most is hasbro only released 6 new mold voyagers in the DOTM toy line. I love the bigger sized TF toys more like voyagers,ultra's & leader sized TF toys. in the past from 2002 thru 2010 most full blown TF toy lines supported by a media cartoon/movie got over 10 new mold voyagers.

I was curious so I went ahead and counted the Voyagers from Cybertron, the 2007 movie toyline, and ROTF. This is what I got:

Cybertron:
Crumplezone,Vector Prime,Leobreaker,Mudflap,Evac,CD Scattorshot,Soundwave,Quickmix,
That's 8 new moulds!

2007 movie:
Blackout,Ratchet,Starscream,Ironhide,Freezy Megs,Prime,
'm not counting any of the Allspark Power toys, because those started hitting around February '08, which would be comparable to now. So that's 6 new moulds.

ROTF:
Demolishor,Ironhide,Starscream,The Fallen,Megatron,Mixmaster,Stratosphere,Long Haul
So that's... 8 new moulds! Which is the same amount as Cybertron. I'm not counting all the NEST toys since, again, they were from the series refresh.
So it seems like every toyline has had 6-8 new moulds since at least Cybertron. I could go back to Energon and further but I imagine Energon would be similar.

[Onslaught Six]

06,Your below list is wrong,you can't just count 6 months from a TF toy line. because in the past Most TF toy lines lasted 18 months.

not counting the 1st movies 2008 voyager molds is cheating.

Not counting the 2ND movies,Nest,HFTD & RTS voyager new molds is also cheating.

Not when DOTM ended in six months. That's what I was comparing it to. All those other toylines had the extension into the next year. DOTM did not, so of course it needs a realistic comparison.

You can't bitch that a toyline that lasted six months had less toys than a toyline that lasted a year, let alone 18 months. Of course it'll have less toys. It didn't last as long.

Leobreaker,crumblezone,defense scattershot,evac,Vector Prime,TRU Voyager sized Starscream,mudflap,quickmix,soundwave.

Voyager Starscream was never released over here.

2009 Voyagers,2nd movie ROTF,Nest,HFTD,RTS: had 13 new mold voyagers.
Demolisher,Starscream,longhaul,megatron,stratosphere,the fallen,bludgeon,mindwipe,mixmaster,new mold optimus prime,sea spray,
highbrow,lugnut.

You *really* can't count Battle Blades Prime, Seaspray, Highbrow or Lugnut. The Yellowbox line may as well have been a different toyline entirely given its change in packaging and halfassed change in aesthetic. It'd be like counting RID and Universe 1.0 together.

[138 Scourge]

Voyager Starscream was never released over here.

The TRU exclusive Thrust-colored repaint in that two-pack with Vector Prime doesn't count? Yeah, it was an exclusive, and might have been a pain to find, but it was out over here.

Just picking that nit before TigerMegs does.

[Tigermegatron]

06,When counting to see how many figures are in various TF toys lines. we go by the toy line & not by the months/years it was in stores. to make adjustments like your doing & cancelling out figures is cheating to prove a point/argument/reply.

FWIW,The DOTM toy line hasn't been cancelled. it's only cancelled in America. the Asian market & Canadian market will still be getting the last waves DOTM toys most likely till may 2012. so this is one year that the DOTM toys are being created & selling new molds TF toys around the world. So DOTM isn't a 6 month toy line,it's a 12+month toy line around the world. not everything revolves around america.

Autobot alliance,nest,HFTD & RTS were clearly extensions of the ROTF toy line. hasbro is famous for creating extensions to fool retailers to order stuff in higher volume. hasbro does this all the time with their TF toy lines. the sheer fact HFTD & RTS had ROTF molds & repainted ROTF molds included inside the assortment boxes ties it to ROTF.

06,Your below list is wrong,you can't just count 6 months from a TF toy line. because in the past Most TF toy lines lasted 18 months.

not counting the 1st movies 2008 voyager molds is cheating.

Not counting the 2ND movies,Nest,HFTD & RTS voyager new molds is also cheating.

Not when DOTM ended in six months. That's what I was comparing it to. All those other toylines had the extension into the next year. DOTM did not, so of course it needs a realistic comparison.

You can't bitch that a toyline that lasted six months had less toys than a toyline that lasted a year, let alone 18 months. Of course it'll have less toys. It didn't last as long.

Leobreaker,crumblezone,defense scattershot,evac,Vector Prime,TRU Voyager sized Starscream,mudflap,quickmix,soundwave.

Voyager Starscream was never released over here.

2009 Voyagers,2nd movie ROTF,Nest,HFTD,RTS: had 13 new mold voyagers.
Demolisher,Starscream,longhaul,megatron,stratosphere,the fallen,bludgeon,mindwipe,mixmaster,new mold optimus prime,sea spray,
highbrow,lugnut.

You *really* can't count Battle Blades Prime, Seaspray, Highbrow or Lugnut. The Yellowbox line may as well have been a different toyline entirely given its change in packaging and halfassed change in aesthetic. It'd be like counting RID and Universe 1.0 together.

[Sparky Prime]

FWIW,The DOTM toy line hasn't been cancelled. it's only cancelled in America. the Asian market & Canadian market will still be getting the last waves DOTM toys most likely till may 2012. so this is one year that the DOTM toys are being created & selling new molds TF toys around the world. So DOTM isn't a 6 month toy line,it's a 12+month toy line around the world. not everything revolves around america.

To my knowledge of the reports I've read, Wheeljack, Soundwave, HA Soundwave and Leadfoot was the final wave of DotM produced. And they were released already in Asian markets back in December. I've seen nothing to suggest those figures will be released in Canada and seems really unlikely with Hasbro canceling it for the US. And nothing has been said about any future waves being released in the Asian market. No other new figures, repaints or remolds have been shown (I know some instructions showed Wheeljack with a somewhat G1-look head, but no toy of it has actually been shown). So unless something is announced to the contrary, the DotM line is effectively over already.

[Onslaught Six]

FWIW,The DOTM toy line hasn't been cancelled. it's only cancelled in America. the Asian market & Canadian market will still be getting the last waves DOTM toys most likely till may 2012. so this is one year that the DOTM toys are being created & selling new molds TF toys around the world. So DOTM isn't a 6 month toy line,it's a 12+month toy line around the world. not everything revolves around america.

To my knowledge of the reports I've read, Wheeljack, Soundwave, HA Soundwave and Leadfoot was the final wave of DotM produced. And they were released already in Asian markets back in December. I've seen nothing to suggest those figures will be released in Canada and seems really unlikely with Hasbro canceling it for the US. And nothing has been said about any future waves being released in the Asian market. No other new figures, repaints or remolds have been shown (I know some instructions showed Wheeljack with a somewhat G1-look head, but no toy of it has actually been shown). So unless something is announced to the contrary, the DotM line is effectively over already.

Actually, that alternate Wheeljack has been shown, he was "Movie Trilogy"/"Movie All-Stars" Wheeljack. Was supposed to come in a wave with a Soundwave repaint.

However, regardless, there's no more DOTM Voyagers planned so I don't see why Deathy feels the need to extend the life sentence of the line. If the toyline doesn't last as long as the others, of *course* it's not going to have as many toys. I don't see why this is a hard concept to grasp. The original Classics toyline had a paltry three Voyagers--Prime, Megatron, and Jetfire--but that's because the toyline debuted in Fall 2006 and ended May 2007. Maybe six months at best. And, surprise! It didn't have as many Voyagers as other toylines.

[Sparky Prime]

Actually, that alternate Wheeljack has been shown, he was "Movie Trilogy"/"Movie All-Stars" Wheeljack. Was supposed to come in a wave with a Soundwave repaint.

Ah, I'd forgotten about that. Still, that was back in what... October? And nothing about it has come up since.

[Shockwave]

There have been some really great toys to come out of the Movieverse toys lines but for the most part, I find that I just don't care for the movie aesthetic. I'm in the process now (still) of selling off my collection and finding that, when I look to the future when I start collecting again, I doubt I'll be buying movieverse toys. I'm parting with them now and I ain't gonna miss them.