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Hey, I could have done a big multi-quote post, but I didn't. Actually, Gomess has done a pretty good job of pointing out many of AHM's faults. Although there is one thing I would comment on...

Dominic wrote:But, this kind of schizophrenia is not unusual in the industry at all now. Marvel has guys like Bendis along with guys like Kirkman and Loeb. DC has Morrison working for them on a fairly consistent basis, but they are run by Johns and Lee.

What have you got against Kirkman? I can't say I'm particularly a fan of his myself, but his stories have been quite popular with the general audience. Heck, they even made a tv series out of his "Walking Dead" comic that apparently is doing really well. And Johns I know is far from a bad writer. I mean look at his run on Green Lantern. Lee, I can't say I've read anything he's written, but he draws some pretty art. Loeb I'd agree with though. His writing is just terrible.

Lee is a good workman, but he should *never* have creative or editorial control.

Kirkman is a lazy sack of shit. His writing is completely devoid of ideas, and is not even good by in-genre standards. And, he has trouble meeting deadlines for books that he has creative control over, meaning that he could have staggered them to work in his favour to begin with.

Johns's stuff reads like fix-fic.


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-would drop TF if any of those guys took the book over.

Dominic wrote:Lee is a good workman, but he should *never* have creative or editorial control.

Why? Since the relaunch, many of DC's books have been consistently selling extremely well, allowing DC to pass Marvel as the market share leader in the past couple months. Clearly DC's new leadership under Lee and Johns is doing something right.

Kirkman is a lazy sack of shit. His writing is completely devoid of ideas, and is not even good by in-genre standards. And, he has trouble meeting deadlines for books that he has creative control over, meaning that he could have staggered them to work in his favour to begin with.

I think the only thing I've read by him was his run on Ultimate X-Men, and I wouldn't say it was devoid of ideas at all, although I wish he'd been able to follow up on some more things he'd introduced and developed. Creative teams having trouble meeting deadlines I'd agree is annoying, but most of the time I actually find those books worthwhile.

Johns's stuff reads like fix-fic.

Have you ever actually read anything by Johns? As I've commented before, he really doesn't "fix" things, but incorporates what came before into the direction he wants to take the story.

Merged this thread with the old discussion thread.

Sparky Prime wrote:

Johns's stuff reads like fix-fic.

Have you ever actually read anything by Johns? As I've commented before, he really doesn't "fix" things, but incorporates what came before into the direction he wants to take the story.

I agree. He's generally very good at using continuity to either write a new story, or put a new spin on an old idea. Like Mark Waid, he has a good idea of what came before, though he does like to make changes. That can be good or bad, depending on the circumstances.

You're probably thinking of GL Rebirth as a fix fic, which it is in a way. I thought it did as good a job as could be done in getting Hal Jordan from being the Spectre and a universe-destroying extremist to being Green Lantern again. Johns had to clean up ten years of character derailment by other writers and editors, and did a good job of it.

Hey, you guys? If we're gonna play that game where we go back and forth about different comic creators and their relative merits, can we do it in the main comics thread, at least? I mean, I'd be happier if we skipped the whole thing entirely, because we've done that enough to know how it goes. But I don't think Kirkman, Lee, Johns, or Loeb have anything to do with "All Hail Megatron".

138 Scourge wrote:Hey, you guys? If we're gonna play that game where we go back and forth about different comic creators and their relative merits, can we do it in the main comics thread, at least? I mean, I'd be happier if we skipped the whole thing entirely, because we've done that enough to know how it goes. But I don't think Kirkman, Lee, Johns, or Loeb have anything to do with "All Hail Megatron".

Good suggestion.

138 Scourge wrote:Hey, you guys? If we're gonna play that game where we go back and forth about different comic creators and their relative merits, can we do it in the main comics thread, at least? I mean, I'd be happier if we skipped the whole thing entirely, because we've done that enough to know how it goes. But I don't think Kirkman, Lee, Johns, or Loeb have anything to do with "All Hail Megatron".

To be fair the subject came out the "schizophrenia", as Dom put it, between Prowl and Cliffjumper's stories. Except he was claiming it not to be unusual for the industry as a whole using his own bias against those creators as an unfair example. Hence the tangent. And why exactly is this an issue? We go on tangent topics like this all the time around here...

Sparky Prime wrote: To be fair the subject came out the "schizophrenia", as Dom put it, between Prowl and Cliffjumper's stories. Except he was claiming it not to be unusual for the industry as a whole using his own bias against those creators as an unfair example. Hence the tangent. And why exactly is this an issue? We go on tangent topics like this all the time around here...

Look, Sparky, I don't care who started it, I will turn this car the hell around.

Nah, man, I know we go off on these kind of tangents, I just know that this particular tangent's been well-explored. I don't think we'll gain anything from it, and while I'm suggesting moving it to the comics forum, I'm really hoping it'll die on it's own and I won't have to skim through a few pages of arguments as to why Johns or Kirkman or whoever is or isn't good. For my part, I'd encourage that schizophenia. You get good shit out of a company that's putting out crazy different stuff. Hell, I'm pretty sure Marvel was putting out he Sumerak/Gurihiru Power Pack at the same time they were doing Ennis' MAX Punisher. Name me two more different books if you can, y'know?

You know something that amuses me to no end, though? The fact that you, Dom, and I all have dramatically different tastes in what makes a good-ass comic, but there's one thing we can all agree on. Jeph Loeb pretty much writes bullshit.