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Re: Rebuilding the Gobots

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:43 am
by Mako Crab
Yeah. Only the Guardians thought she was insane. She and Cy-kill got along quite well. :D

Re: Rebuilding the Gobots

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 8:13 am
by Gomess
I only own one episode of Go-Bots, on VHS... Invaders from the 21st Level, or somesuch?

Just based on that, I always saw Crasher as a bit of an enfant terrible, but I guess she never outright *argues* with Cy-Kill. Not a Starscream. Seemingly obsessive rivalry with Turbo, though.

Did Good Knight ever appear in the show? He's still one of my favourite Robo Machine (hey, it's what they were called here!) toys.

Re: Rebuilding the Gobots

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 9:12 am
by 138 Scourge
Wow, Good Knight is pretty slick. Kind of looks like the Hubcap guy from one of the current lines.

I don't specifically remember him being on the show, but I kind of remember the show being pretty good about giving everyone at least a scene or two. Gotta advertise all the toys and all.

Y'know one I always liked? Zero. That guy was awesome. Decent robot mode, completely awesome Japanese WWII Zero plane mode. That was a neat toy, right there.

Re: Rebuilding the Gobots

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 3:53 pm
by Mako Crab
Yeah, Crasher definitely wasn't a Starscream. I remember one episode where she got buried under an avalanche of snow and ice and Cy-kill thought she was dead. He was upset by her loss. Not outright blubbering, but he showed a lot more emotion over losing her than Megatron showed over losing any of his troops (except maybe Galvatron freaking out over Soundwave's death in Headmasters :p ). There was also another scene where he mentioned how he loved her laugh, to which she chuckled a little. I liked that she wasn't gunning for his job. In fact, generally speaking the Renegades are organized and loyal to a greater degree than the Decepticons ever were. There's not much backstabbing... if at all.

On Crasher's rivalry with Turbo- it's cool. They're both 2nd in command and both have fast vehicle modes. The only thing that creeps me out is whenever Turbo calls Crasher, "Baby."

I can't remember if Good Knight ever appeared in the show, but I want to say yes. Ah! He did! Here's the info:

http://counter-x.net/gobots/challenge/p ... night.html

I don't remember Zero, but I used to have Bad Boy a long time ago. I always thought he had a pretty cool transformation and alt mode.

Re: Rebuilding the Gobots

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 4:15 pm
by Gomess
Kinda wish I'd gotten into the show growing up, I'm afraid I was one of those kids who saw it as a TF knockoff, and I guess I've never shaken it. I remember hating that it had non-white major human characters waaaay before TF did, though, heh.

....Serious question, was there ever a Leader-2?

Re: Rebuilding the Gobots

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 4:46 pm
by Mako Crab
Gomess wrote: ....Serious question, was there ever a Leader-2?
LOL! Not that I know of. :D

NEXT UP! Cop-Tur
http://www.tfu.info/Gobots/Renegades/Co ... op-tur.htm

The last of the 3 main Renegades (the other 2 being Crasher and Cy-kill). Cop-Tur is a helicopter. But he's the most generic helicopter in the world. He doesn't look like an attack helicopter at all, so I'm kind of veering away from military choppers. Hm... I do like this guys' take on a TFA version of Cop-Tur:

http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&secti ... d#/d1d7qbr

I don't know. The more I look at him, the more I kind of get a Coast Guard helicopter vibe from him. His tail rotor absolutely must be enclosed within the tail ala' the modern coast guard helicopters. It's just a cool look. Okay, I think I've pretty much set my mind to it. Coast Guard chopper it is! I saw a few model kits of a coast guard chopper in blue, but it seems that in the real-world all their choppers are bright red/orange. Makes sense. High visibility for rescue operations and all that. Still, nothing says Cop-Tur couldn't stay blue in alt-mode. What do you think?

Coast Guard Demo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8eaZZ_wA ... re=related

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Re: Rebuilding the Gobots

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 4:59 pm
by Gomess
A low-vis rescue chopper is a pretty awesome altmode for a bad guy. XD

Re: Rebuilding the Gobots

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 5:13 pm
by Mako Crab
Gomess wrote:A low-vis rescue chopper is a pretty awesome altmode for a bad guy. XD
Heehee, that's kind of what I was thinking too. Kind of defeats the purpose of rescue. :twisted:


And one more: LOCO

http://www.tfu.info/Gobots/Renegades/Loco/loco.htm

I'm a little torn on this guy. I kind of like to update most everyone with the best and newest alt-modes out there (Smallfoot aside), but this guy is so clearly an old-fashioned locomotive. What to do? A slightly more modern engine like this maybe:

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Or do we keep him as an older model steam engine? Was he a diesel engine? I don't know, but whatever.

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For Loco I just don't think the new bullet trains would work. They look too sleek, too shiny, too futuristic. He needs something that's old, bulky, and kinda' scary looking. Something that you can see all the bolts and rivets on. I don't know. It's a tough call between these two trains. Any opinions? I'm kind of leaning towards the older steam engine myself, just because it still looks pretty cool and I don't think we've ever had a good steam engine transformer. Even the original Loco toy was way too short, I thought. Thoughts?

Re: Rebuilding the Gobots

Posted: Sat Nov 06, 2010 8:13 pm
by Mako Crab
From the Allspark thread of the same name:
Hm, just wanna throw some stuff out there...
I thought I heard somewhere that flat-nosed semi-trucks were outlawed from being made in the U.S. (you can still drive them though) due to safety concerns,
It's not that they're outlawed, it's because the laws *changed* and now they don't make good business sense.

Back in The Good Old Days, when the trucking industry in the US was regulated by the government, there was (amongst other things) a *very* strict 55-foot overall length limit. From the furthest bumper protrusion to the back of the Moffett hanging off your flatbed, you couldn't go a fraction of an inch over 55 feet.

Now, when you have a box van on a semi truck, there's the issue of clearance from the back of the cab to the pivot point at the fifth wheel. For proper maneuvering, you need around 200 degrees of swing, so you need a big gap between the cab back and the kingpin. So that distance is lost. Then there's the distance from the back of the cab to the bumper, known as the BBC. (Yes, snicker.) The distance between BBC to kingpin is pretty much fixed, and the overall length was rigidly fixed, so the bigger the BBC, the more you had to cut down the trailer, and thus you had less room to put paying loads. To maximize load space, cabovers were king because of the stubby BBC; Long-haul cabs had 'coffin' sleepers on cab-overs, with just barely enough room to fit a single man behind the seats for the night.

However, regulating the industry had an unfortunate side-effect of propping up the Teamster's Union, and all the unsavory characters that were embedded in that organization. Breaking the Teamsters was one of the real reasons behind the deregulation of the market in '79, for better or for worse.

With deregulation, the 55-foot overall limit was gone. In its place was a 53-foot limit on trailer length, and NONE on overall length. As long as your trailer wasn't too long, and you didn't overweight any axle, you could pull anything with anything else. Cabovers lost their big advantage, and the disadvantages (Harsh ride because you're over or ahead of the steering axle instead of bridged between, extra-nose heavy making for awkward bobtail handling, the HUGE doghouse between the seats) were piling up. About the only advantage they had left was the 'tip cab forward for engine access' freedom for maintenance, and even THAT disappeared once you got trucks like the long-nose petes showing up where everything from radiator-to-flywheel and some of the transmission were accessable with the hood up.

The real death knell for Cabovers was fuel economy. Ever since the OPEC embargo and the gas crisis, truck manufacturers were dumping huge amounts of money into aerodynamic trucks, but they were stymied because everyone wanted a cabover for trailer length, and a cabover is a bloody brick wall, aerodynamically. The '79 deregulation was like magic, especially for the Kenworth team; Suddenly they could stretch the truck out as long as they needed. So they took the longest-nosed truck they had, the W900, and spent years making a new hood and cab. When they were ready, they ran the W900 on a test track for a fuel economy test, took it into the garage and swapped the hood and cab with the new slick one, changed nothing mechanically, and got an immediate 22% increase in fuel economy. Burning less fuel to do the same run means less of the payday goes into your gas tank, and even though the T600 got nothing but derision when it was released in '85, your paycheck is the ultimate final argument, and so the rest was history.

So with all THAT out of the way, I nominate a different truck for Road Ranger.

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The Kenworth T700. The slickest Kenworth *ever*.

It's also bloody huge in there. You can sit up in the upper bunk and stretch your arms over your head, it's insane. With the biggest sleeper, you can fold up the beds and pull up a table and there's more than enough room for four people to sit around it. Not 'stuff four guys around it', but actually sit and eat a full meal.

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I love it. It's this huge, monstrous, monolithic THING. It doesn't feel pain, fear, or remorse, and it absolutely will not stop until all your stuff is delivered. The only way I could make it look better would be to replace the grill surround with a body-colour piece.

[s]I think I want to have babies with it.[/s] No, sorry, too much.

In other topics!

Loco. Loco means 'Insane'.

So let's go insane.

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The Union Pacific 'Big Boy' 4-8-8-4 locomotive.

Sixteen drive wheels, 132 feet long, 567 metric tonnes empty, it's so huge it has to be hinged in the middle.

If that doesn't qualify as insane, I dunno what does.

Re: Rebuilding the Gobots

Posted: Sun Nov 07, 2010 3:01 am
by Gomess
Train altmodes have always made me laugh. Do they need rails, or what...? ENERGY RAILS. Made of hard light. Yeahhhh.

It makes a fun toy, but it's really not conducive to.... anything, in a story. It's surprising Astrotrain wasn't more insecure. I guess Loco is.. loco.. though.

Also, just for the sake of argument, "loco" specifically means "irrational" or "unpredictable". In Spanish, anyway. In Italian, it means "at the place", which is an amusingly dull distinction. Yeah, the Go-Bots all THINK he's craaazy... but really, he's just..... there.