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Sparky Prime wrote:Again, you don't have to wipe out an entire species to get rid of a problem.

You do if you're the bad guys.

Argument over.

Onslaught Six wrote:You do if you're the bad guys.

Argument over.

That was pretty much the original point of this argument that I've been suggesting this whole time. The Predacons are evil.

Extreme, but justified from the perspective of long-lived alien robots bent on conquest. Bad guys don't usually consider themselves the bad guys. Even if they, y'know, are.

Onslaught Six wrote:

Dominic wrote:-waiting for O6's thoughts on heroic Combaticons.

Quiet, you! I have school! >.>

And you have a responsibility to this forum. C'mon man! Priotize!

And I have to say I don't think the smallpox analogy really works here. Smallpox caused some major epidemics and as such was a pretty big threat until the vaccinations managed to wipe it out. A pest problem is more like rats and bugs. And while we do tend kill rats and bugs when they come into our homes, we don't go out of our way to eliminate the entire species from the face of the Earth.

We are pretty remorseless about killing bugs and rodents though.

Now, if said bugs and rodents were consistently becoming an existential threat, and constantly thwarting our attempts to limit them and their population growth, what would we do? The smartest, most sane thing to do would be to "play it safe" and just wipe them out as quickly as possible, removing the threat.

The is, objectively, nothing evil about that.

Dom

Dominic wrote:We are pretty remorseless about killing bugs and rodents though.

Now, if said bugs and rodents were consistently becoming an existential threat, and constantly thwarting our attempts to limit them and their population growth, what would we do? The smartest, most sane thing to do would be to "play it safe" and just wipe them out as quickly as possible, removing the threat.

The is, objectively, nothing evil about that.

I'm not saying people feel much remorse over killing pests like rodents and bugs, I'm saying we don't go out of our way to kill the entire species. We're only concerned with the ones in particular giving us problems.

Now if we were having problems controlling a bug/rodent population and they were becoming a threat, certainly we would go on the offensive but I doubt we'd need to "play it safe" and eliminate them all. More likely they'd cease to be a threat long before it came to that. In which case, it would be evil for us to go too far with it and eliminate them all.

But, if we had a hard time recognizing/assessing a threat, and continually under-estimated it, then wiping 'em all out would be a smart move. What is "evil" about that?

Dom

Dominic wrote:But, if we had a hard time recognizing/assessing a threat, and continually under-estimated it, then wiping 'em all out would be a smart move. What is "evil" about that?

Killing everything just because we have a hard time figuring it out and how to handle it? That's not a smart move, that's impulsive and irrational.

In the scenario we have been discussing, the unquantifiable species has consistently been a threat. Attempts to deal with said threat have failed because of an inability by those being threatened to understand how the "inferior" species works.

Eventually, after a given number of catastrophes, somebody is going to say, (quite sensibly), "Ya know, we can avoid further misfortune if we just wipe the little b@$tArd$ out. Sound good? Eh? Eh?" And, then, his friends would be all like, "Yeah. That does sound like a plan."

While it would be pretty awful to be part of the soon-to-be-exterminated species, you have to admit, the plan is sound.

Dom

Dominic wrote:While it would be pretty awful to be part of the soon-to-be-exterminated species, you have to admit, the plan is sound.

No, I'm pretty sure I wouldn't consider genocide to be a "sound plan". Again, I have to say, I doubt a species would continue to be a threat long before you managed to wipe them all out and as such there wouldn't be a reason to go that far.

...I'm not quite sure what the debate is about, honestly.

Megs was a little bit crazy and decided killing the humans was a good idea.

How is this under debate?