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Re: Comics are Awesome III

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 1:56 pm
by andersonh1
Sparky Prime wrote:
JediTricks wrote:The intent is to tone down the armor-ness of it, because WHY THE FUCK DOES SUPERMAN NEED ARMOR??? thinking.
They were trying to explain how Clark could easily hide the suit under his civilian clothes as well as why it wouldn't be damaged in (most) fights by making it Kryptonian armor.
DC's just running away from past explanations. We already had either indestructible cloth (Silver Age) or biological aura (Byrne revamp), both of which worked pefectly well. Not to mention that skintight costumes are that way so they can be worn under ordinary clothing, ostensibly. It's hard to picture armor being easy to hide under jeans and a button-up shirt.
Not to mention, Kryptonians wouldn't have had super powers on Krypton.
They did in the Golden Age, interestingly.

Re: Comics are Awesome III

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 4:28 pm
by Sparky Prime
andersonh1 wrote:DC's just running away from past explanations. We already had either indestructible cloth (Silver Age) or biological aura (Byrne revamp), both of which worked pefectly well. Not to mention that skintight costumes are that way so they can be worn under ordinary clothing, ostensibly. It's hard to picture armor being easy to hide under jeans and a button-up shirt.
I wouldn't say they're running away from anything. They basically went back to the idea of something like an indestructible cloth here, but modernized the concept. Even wearing a skintight costume under his clothes, it's not hard to imagine that could accidentally be spotted in any number of situations Clark gets into. As such, they've also once explained that Superman would super compress his costume into a tiny ball that could be hidden anywhere on his body. They wanted something that would sound more plausible for the New52. Rather than wear it under his civilian clothes, the New52 suit is made up of a Kryptonian nano-tech that's stored in the S-shield on his chest and only forms over his body when it's needed and is easily hidden when it's not needed. It's a similar concept to the nano-tech suit Spider-Man had in the Spider-Man Unlimited cartoon series.
They did in the Golden Age, interestingly.
Which hasn't been the case for something like 60 years?

Re: Comics are Awesome III

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:41 pm
by andersonh1
Sparky Prime wrote: Rather than wear it under his civilian clothes, the New52 suit is made up of a Kryptonian nano-tech that's stored in the S-shield on his chest and only forms over his body when it's needed and is easily hidden when it's not needed. It's a similar concept to the nano-tech suit Spider-Man had in the Spider-Man Unlimited cartoon series.
I'm so tired of nanites as the current "magical" explanation for things like this.
Which hasn't been the case for something like 60 years?
I wasn't saying it was relevant to the modern day Superman. Just making an observation that at one point, everyone on Krypton did in fact have Superman's powers. It makes me wonder just when the transition to Superman being powered by yellow sunlight and Earth's lighter gravity took place. It's clearly in place by the 60s, so the yellow sun empowerment is a long-standing part of Superman lore, certainly.

Although it would have been interesting if Grant Morrison had brought back the super-Kryptonians when he used some other Golden Age elements during his New 52 Action Comics run. I'd be curious to see how he'd handle an entire race of Supermen and women.

Re: Comics are Awesome III

Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 7:57 pm
by Sparky Prime
andersonh1 wrote:I'm so tired of nanites as the current "magical" explanation for things like this.
Are there a lot of clothes made out of nanotech in comics? Nothing really magical about it, seeing that Krypton was a highly technologically advanced society.
I wasn't saying it was relevant to the modern day Superman. Just making an observation that at one point, everyone on Krypton did in fact have Superman's powers.
Ok, but then why did you bring it up when we're talking about the modern day Superman wearing a suit that was designed for a race that doesn't have powers unless exposed to yellow sun light?

Re: Comics are Awesome III

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 5:01 am
by andersonh1
Sparky Prime wrote:Ok, but then why did you bring it up when we're talking about the modern day Superman wearing a suit that was designed for a race that doesn't have powers unless exposed to yellow sun light?
Just as an aside. I find the variations in Superman's backstory over the years interesting to compare and contrast.

Re: Comics are Awesome III

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 5:04 am
by andersonh1
More Convergence details from writer Jeff King: http://www.ew.com/article/2015/02/09/wr ... 2645bc23fb

Re: Comics are Awesome III

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 11:30 am
by JediTricks
andersonh1 wrote:I skipped it because it just wasn't worth $9.99 to me. I'm glad to hear it was decent though.
I hear ya. It had been a while since I had a new comic and the book had heft to it. But if I had thought about it, I might have passed.
Sparky Prime wrote:
JediTricks wrote:The intent is to tone down the armor-ness of it, because WHY THE FUCK DOES SUPERMAN NEED ARMOR??? thinking.
They were trying to explain how Clark could easily hide the suit under his civilian clothes as well as why it wouldn't be damaged in (most) fights by making it Kryptonian armor. Not to mention, Kryptonians wouldn't have had super powers on Krypton.
Solving a problem they themselves created.

Re: Comics are Awesome III

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:10 pm
by Sparky Prime
JediTricks wrote:Solving a problem they themselves created.
I wouldn't exactly say it's a problem they created. I wouldn't really even call it a problem. Just fans being nitpicky.

Re: Comics are Awesome III

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:15 pm
by Dominic

Wait, Veronica was the better ending to Life with Archie? What a crock of shit! She's an awful, spoiled cunt even in her best days.
Veronica was the better ending for the one who ended up with her. The whole premise of the series is that the characters, including Veronica, grew the hell up. The Archie (or Reggie) who married Veronica was generally more grown-up and better adjusted than the one who paired off with Betty.

Betty+Archie was generally a better Riverdale. (For example, that Dilton did not go bad.)

Yeah, that's why I didn't like the Marvel books back when I was a kid, too much stuff like that where it goes far beyond the movie-verse and feels exploitative of the brand rather than representative.
I am talking about the modern series.

I thought the old series was good about not treading on the movies. (For example, Luke would be trying to hide from Vader in general. But, Vader was never "right there".)

Look at the huge hits RID and Joe took! Not remotely surprising to me, although I'm actually disappointed at how little fanfare Empire of Stone came to - that's some bad marketing right there.
RiD sucks. That is why it is falling. It is just a generic book. It is possible to read that sort of thing without saying "I read TF" (which still carries something of a stigma).

TF/Joe is a pile of shit. The joke is obvious and not worth more than an issue's worth of content. The Cambridge types who would read it are not reliable fans. Frankly, I am suprised it is not dropping faster.

It gets some of the regular fan market AND the hipster market AND the "comics r fun" market. What amazes me is the lack of a more significant decline from the missed deadline on issue 3, it means that a lot of people were keeping an eye out for its release.
How many are in-store subs? The fan market is also probably cushioning the fall. The hipsters are going to drift in and out of the stores. Might not be the same people buying the book month to month.

The intent is to tone down the armor-ness of it, because WHY THE FUCK DOES SUPERMAN NEED ARMOR???
Because of the movie. (It was never a problem before. But, Warner Brothers wanted it to be a problem now.)

Batman '66 One Shot - Two Face The Lost Episode - Harlan Ellison's writing is included in the back of this book along with a sampling of the pencils (to justify the inflated $10 pricetag for an issue and a half worth of actual content) and Ellison's raw writing is shit, I don't know how he can stroke his ego so fucking hard for so long with this being the outcome.
Notations and such count as content. They are part of the book, and thus part of the price. (Inversely, the compilation for "the Wicked + the Divine" only cost $10 for 5 issues worth of content. But, there was no back-matter.)

DC's just running away from past explanations. We already had either indestructible cloth (Silver Age) or biological aura (Byrne revamp), both of which worked pefectly well. Not to mention that skintight costumes are that way so they can be worn under ordinary clothing, ostensibly.
There are really not going to be any good explanations for Superman's power set and other "rules". The character started off reasonably, but has appeared through decades of poor writing and editorial standards (mostly the 40s in to the early 70s). The more DC wants to keep, the less defined the character is going to be.

Are there a lot of clothes made out of nanotech in comics? Nothing really magical about it, seeing that Krypton was a highly technologically advanced society.
Pym particles, unstable molecules......

More Convergence details from writer Jeff King: http://www.ew.com/article/2015/02/09/wr ... 2645bc23fb
Sounds like a fight book. Not impressed.

Re: Comics are Awesome III

Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:19 pm
by Sparky Prime
Dominic wrote:Pym particles, unstable molecules.....
Neither of which is nanotech.......