Sure, if you crop out the surrounding and put it side by side with a picture of Rodimus that only appears in the roll call, and there's not a straight-on shot of the character afterwards, and he's not seen in pages and pages. In its native presentation, it looks like this:Shockwave wrote:Still haven't read the issue yet, but from that pic, it's pretty obviously Rodimus. Even without the comparison.
There certainly seems to be something you're trying to prove Jedi, with how you keep attacking me like this without so much as acknowledging a single word I've said since you started this argument. I wouldn't say all of those 26 posts are actual arguments as you claim them to be. Especially seeing as you have developed an over-exaggerated bias against me which I'm tired of seeing myself. It is a discussion board after all where view points do differ sometimes, but that doesn't make them all arguments. And I really doubt my most commonly used word is "no", which wouldn't always be used with the connotation you're suggesting here either. Where'd you even get that idea from? But let's see, what did we argue about in May...? Oh yes, early on in the month there was the big Windblade argument, which several people participated in. You know what I see that's interesting about that topic? I didn't even get involved in that argument until page 8. So that's about... 6 pages (starting from page 2) of arguing I didn't take part in out of about 7 pages of arguing, in a 10 page topic. Hm. Seems to me that you'll probably find a majority of posts for several members in May (and April) to be arguments, yourself included in that I might add, in large part because of that one topic. And sure I was part of a couple other arguments in May (like the start of this one), but hardly enough of a statistic to make a claim that the odds are so against me as you are trying to claim. Clearly May was a skewed month for arguments on TFVIEWS in general. Again, it's not constantly always me arguing as there have been plenty of arguments that haven't even involved me. It's not all on my shoulders like you're trying to suggest at all. Yet here you are, singling me out for some reason and leaving out plenty of details to personally attack me over it.JediTricks wrote:Sparky, in May you had 46 posts total, 26 arguing and 20 posts not arguing with someone on these forums. This isn't about proving I'm right, it's that I'm tired of your constant arguments, the word "no" being the most common word in your posts. No matter what is said, the odds of a reply from you being anything other than an argument is poor, especially if it didn't involve the Hall of Fame, a comics review, or video games.
Actually the image I cropped for the comparison came from page 8, issue 10 - not the roll call. And I didn't crop really anything that would take away from the coffin interior, except the tiny bit of the overlapping panel that's above it. But still, even with out putting another of him image side-by-side, in its native presentation, it's obviously Rodimus.Sure, if you crop out the surrounding and put it side by side with a picture of Rodimus that only appears in the roll call, and there's not a straight-on shot of the character afterwards, and he's not seen in pages and pages. In its native presentation, it looks like this:
Yeah, not sure why this has even become such an issue here. I haven't seen any doubt about the occupant anywhere else but here. Just theories as to how he might survive whatever this development is about.BWprowl wrote:Just chiming in to say that I too had no problem telling that the occupant of the coffin wasand I'm a little surprised to see that it was ever in doubt for anyone. It worked just fine as a surprise/plot-twist moment for me.Spoiler
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I'm not denying that I've been in a few lengthy debates... over the years. That's not the same thing as "constant arguing" or the high odds of arguing like JT is trying to claim though. He's making it sound like arguing is all I do. Well that's simply not true, and I'm by far not the only one that's been in such lengthy debates. Again, like the recent Windblade topic for example, which I didn't even get involved with until basically the end of it. And I know there's been plenty of debates I've stayed out of completely as well. So I really don't understand the attitude he's taken towards me here or why he's lashing out with such completely over-exaggerating and totally skewed comments like he's been doing.Shockwave wrote:Sparky, you gotta admit that you do have a tendancy to get into arguments/debates that go on for pages and pages. Look at the AHM thread. You and debated for 14 pages about issue 12 I think. 14 pages. And that has happened a lot since.
Exactly. Which again is why I don't understand why he's singling me out and attacking me like this. We all talk and we've all debated which normally we keep civil, with out resorting to attacking the other members.Now, I'm not saying debating is necessarily a bad thing, after all, that is why we're all here, to talk about and debate all things TF, but we've always been a group that has always done so with respect to each other even if our viewpoints differ. After the six years that JT has granted us this place, I'd hate to see that break down now.
Because you argue more, and you argue more subjectively while taking some pretense that your opinion is objective fact. Just 2 pages back, I posted my thoughts on issue 29 and you asked how I thought the coffin misfired, so when I explained the art was muddled the character in the panel, your response was:Sparky Prime wrote:Exactly. Which again is why I don't understand why he's singling me out and attacking me like this. We all talk and we've all debated which normally we keep civil, with out resorting to attacking the other members.Now, I'm not saying debating is necessarily a bad thing, after all, that is why we're all here, to talk about and debate all things TF, but we've always been a group that has always done so with respect to each other even if our viewpoints differ. After the six years that JT has granted us this place, I'd hate to see that break down now.
And in the same post, you decided you needed to "correct" my opinion of the issue with this gem telling me that my take is wrong because of how it's "meant to be looked at":Muddled? How? The art couldn't be more clear
I'm done with your constant type of arguing, acting like your opinion is the only one, framing every argument as if you're the lord on high handing down facts that came from your personal opinions. There's your "why".it's a middle chapter. May not have been the greatest issue but it's really meant to be looked at in terms of the larger picture.
Calling the kettle black... I hardly think I argue anymore than anyone else here does, as I've already pointed out. You know what? I've been focused on defending what I've said, which hasn't been going anywhere since you've just been ignoring it all anyway. So let's just see about who argues with some pretense that their opinion is objective fact and go back to your review of the issue for a second:JediTricks wrote:Because you argue more, and you argue more subjectively while taking some pretense that your opinion is objective fact.
Looking back at this, in how you've phrased it, you've actually been treating your own opinion as if it was an objective fact in the first place. There's nothing directly stated or clearly implied to be an opinion in it, despite it all being your opinion of the issue. Then throughout this entire argument, after I criticized a small part of that opinion, it seems like you can't possibly be wrong because somehow you act like know what I intended with my own words better than I do, while you've mostly ignored anything that contradicts your own opinion or tried to spin it to your favor. It's like you refuse to take any sort of criticism to your supposedly subjective arguments, you're choosing to see what you want to see and thus making it whatever you want it to be.JediTricks wrote:Issue 29 - This was a mess, it was too crowded both in visuals and in story. The big reveal of what's in the coffin misfired, the number of characters thrown about was jarring, the change of plea felt clumsy, Starscream's place and standing didn't fit, even the tonal shifts and comedy was crammed, it was all askew. I don't want to grade it yet, I'm wondering if a few days away from it will help soften my take.
Actually your exact words when I'd asked how it misfired was:Just 2 pages back, I posted my thoughts on issue 29 and you asked how I thought the coffin misfired, so when I explained the art was muddled the character in the panel, your response was:Muddled? How? The art couldn't be more clear
So you didn't so much explain you thought the art was muddled, you just stated it. Like it was an objective fact. Hm. And you're literally the only person I've seen say they didn't instantly recognize it as Rodimus, as even everyone here that commented on this very board has pretty much said. That actually is something you are not recognizing about the art for whatever reason, when no one else had that problem.JediTricks wrote:The art muddled the character in the panel, so it's "who the hell is that?"
And as I mentioned above, you've continued to ignore me completely on what I actually said and meant with this point. Also once again, I see you didn't actually include the whole quote from my post. As I've explained, several times, I had yet to offer my own thoughts on the issue, and that's what I was doing, agreeing with a thought andersonh1 had posted. I wasn't correcting your opinion in the least. The ironic part in all this being, while you've been erroneously claiming I was telling you what was wrong with it, you've been telling me how I meant my own post. I didn't say anything about your take there at all. All I said was it wasn't the greatest (my opinion) but that the issue is meant to be read with the rest of the story arc seeing as it is only the middle chapter of the story arc, so my implied option being that it'll probably be better with the rest of the arc. It's all my opinion. You're choosing to ignore that and see something else I never said or intended.And in the same post, you decided you needed to "correct" my opinion of the issue with this gem telling me that my take is wrong because of how it's "meant to be looked at":it's a middle chapter. May not have been the greatest issue but it's really meant to be looked at in terms of the larger picture.
You're one to talk. This entire argument, going all the way back to what you posted in the first place about the issue itself, has been nothing but you acting like your opinion is the only one. I'm tired of you hypocritically trying to portray me like this when it was just something you misinterpreted and have completely over-reacted to! If anyone has been acting like they are "the lord on high handing down facts that came from your personal opinions", that'd be you! I've only been trying to explain and defend myself, which has been completely lost on you, seeing as you haven't so much as acknowledged one thing I've said since you started this argument, and then having to endure you insulting me for my trouble. Your "why" isn't at all honest, and it's certainly not any sort of justification for singling me out and attacking me like you've been doing here, my Lord.I'm done with your constant type of arguing, acting like your opinion is the only one, framing every argument as if you're the lord on high handing down facts that came from your personal opinions. There's your "why".
As I said when all this started, Roberts is writing Megatron as something other than he has been previously, as he does with most of the characters he takes on writing.andersonh1 wrote:- Megatron pleads not guilty, because he won't agree to an Autobot version of events only. And he wants to atone for what he's done. I can buy the first, but not the second. Not really. It still seems like Megatron's character shift came out of nowhere. He's trying to take over Cybertron and acting like his old self in RID, he's stopped, and then after a little torture by Shockwave, suddenly he's sorry for causing a war and causing the death of billions. It's just not credible. Entertaining, to an extent, yes, but not believable in the slightest.
They did, and Megatron even calls back to it in this issue: Him giving the holocube to Optimus and requesting to move the trial to Luna 2 goes back to this.- Similarly, Megatron's use of the legal loophole of the moon on which the trial is taking place is something that's very much in-character, but it feels like it came out of nowhere. Did they set up the seperate legal system in earlier issues? I'll have to go back and check. It makes sense that Megatron would have a contingency plan, but again, it needed to be hinted at beforehand in my opinion.
I think it says more about Rodimus that the crew feels about the same about *Megatron* being in charge as they did him; the running subplot with Rodimus realizing how little they thought of him was a nice contrast, especially in comparison to what we saw Megatron commanded, both in the team trying to break him out, and in the weight his words carried when he ordered all remaining Decepticons to stand down. This issue definitely wrapped the arc up in a meaningful way.- An attempt is made to explain Megatron's presence on the Lost LIght, and it almost works. He wants to be there to atone for his past by finding the Knights, and Optimus allows it as a sort of probation where he's surrounded by witnesses constantly. Given the circumstances, I would expect Megatron to be locked up, but politics interferes, so I can begrudgingly accept the setup. It still seems like half the Autobot crew would be trying to kill him on a daily basis though. This is their arch-enemy, the guy who put them through misery for millions of years. And yet they're just going along much as they did when Rodimus was in charge.
The schizophrenic nature of the book is something I've complained about since day 1, it can be incredibly frustrating to read at times, but there will be points of great payoff as well. It's easily one of the most uneven pieces I've ever encountered.The book is schizophrenic. It really is. Parts of the story and characterization ring true, and parts don't. I'm sticking with it for now though to see where they go from here.
Even Swerve's opening narration had some chuckle-worth moments, and I generally never thought Swerve was that funny before. There are still some problematic points, such as Roberts's continued aversion to transformation, and his needless insistence on adding 'new' characters, both exemplified incidentally in Riptide, who appears on-panel, tells us he turns into a boat (instead of just, you know, showing him turn into a boat at some point), then does little else. Why is he even there, then? Overall though, I'm genuinely enjoying the series as it is now, and I hope it can continue this way.
I'd agree the outcome stretches believability given all Megatron has done, but I can't say that I think Megatron wanting to atone for his crimes came out of nowhere. Going back to Megatron Origin, he started the war in responce to corruption of the government, which Roberts since expanded upon explaining why Megatron ultimately took a violent approach in trying to change the problems he saw. And that's something Bumblebee (during the Dark Cybertron storyline) pointed out to Megatron, that he'd long ago lost sight of. I think while Megatron might see his actions with the war as ultimately to be to the benefit of Cybertronian society, he could still regret having gone to some extremes, albeit not on the Autobots terms and charges. The war had nearly cost them all everything, with Cybertron in ruins and so much of the population dead.andersonh1 wrote:- Megatron pleads not guilty, because he won't agree to an Autobot version of events only. And he wants to atone for what he's done. I can buy the first, but not the second. Not really. It still seems like Megatron's character shift came out of nowhere. He's trying to take over Cybertron and acting like his old self in RID, he's stopped, and then after a little torture by Shockwave, suddenly he's sorry for causing a war and causing the death of billions. It's just not credible. Entertaining, to an extent, yes, but not believable in the slightest.
