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Re: More than Meets the Eye (IDW ongoing comic)

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 1:15 pm
by JediTricks
Sparky Prime wrote:
JediTricks wrote:It COULD have been more clear, as I had to go back and reexamine the character model used earlier in the book, there aren't a lot of defining features shown and there's no color and half the facial likeness is gone. And I'm obviously not alone, Anderson had the same problem.
I don't agree. They show him from mid-torso up. Even missing part of his head and with out color, he's the only character with that body type. I don't see why either of you would have a hard time figuring out who was in the coffin. The art alone made it perfectly clear.
I studied that a lot, actually, and the chest is not complete enough to be clearly defined as any particular body type, there's more going on in the image which we can't see. Then there's the shoulders, which aren't connected to anything at first blush, and could easily have been part of the gray coffin itself.
"May not have been the greatest issue but it's really meant to be looked at in terms of the larger picture." That was your direct comment on my opinions about the book.
No it isn't, that's MY own opinion about the book as I was agreeing with andersonh1's comments about it being a middle chapter. I see it as not being a great issue, but I think it'll be better when viewed with the rest of the storyline. That comment had nothing to do with your opinion.
You said "IT'S REALLY MEANT TO BE LOOKED AT IN TERMS OF..." as a direct retort to my interpretation, there's no opinion implied in your sentence, it's meant as a redefinition - placing all opposing viewpoints as somehow under your tutelage as you define the way the book should be read, the way it is somehow intended by its creators. If you wanted to state it as your opinion instead of assumed fact, you would have expressed that without the weight being on everybody else.

Re: More than Meets the Eye (IDW ongoing comic)

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 4:52 pm
by andersonh1
JediTricks wrote:I studied that a lot, actually, and the chest is not complete enough to be clearly defined as any particular body type, there's more going on in the image which we can't see. Then there's the shoulders, which aren't connected to anything at first blush, and could easily have been part of the gray coffin itself.
The other thing, apart from the art, is that I question whether or not they'd actually kill off a major character like Rodimus. Sure, it could happen, but I doubt it, and so when I see him apparently dead I'm waiting for some kind of twist to the plot to explain why it isn't really him.

Re: More than Meets the Eye (IDW ongoing comic)

Posted: Sun Jun 01, 2014 5:04 pm
by Sparky Prime
JediTricks wrote:I studied that a lot, actually, and the chest is not complete enough to be clearly defined as any particular body type, there's more going on in the image which we can't see. Then there's the shoulders, which aren't connected to anything at first blush, and could easily have been part of the gray coffin itself.
Are we even looking at the same image? Based on that description, I'm not sure it is. His chest is fairly prominent in the image, and is distinctively his body. We've seen no other Transformers with a form similar to it. Same with his shoulders, which I can see clearly connected to his torso. It's not at all the same color as the coffin, the darker grey's of the body stands out from the lighter colors on the bed of the coffin.
You said "IT'S REALLY MEANT TO BE LOOKED AT IN TERMS OF..." as a direct retort to my interpretation, there's no opinion implied in your sentence, it's meant as a redefinition - placing all opposing viewpoints as somehow under your tutelage as you define the way the book should be read, the way it is somehow intended by its creators. If you wanted to state it as your opinion instead of assumed fact, you would have expressed that without the weight being on everybody else.
Again NO IT'S NOT. I'm going to thorough here, because you clearly aren't getting it. If I meant it as a retort, I wouldn't have spaced that paragraph apart from the other one like that, nor would I have phrased it the way it is. Hell, if I was responding to your opinion, I would have included another quote from your post to make it clear what specifically I was responding to, as I pretty much always do when I respond to a specific point like that, as even this very post is an example of. But, oh look, I didn't do any of that because I wasn't responding to your opinion about it. Why are you blatantly refusing to accept you just misinterpreted after I've already said twice that's not what it was? And to add insult to injury, you are telling me how I meant my own post while suggesting I'm the one defining what the creators intended? No. That's wrong on every level. You're taking that sentence, or rather, the middle of a sentence, completely out of context and making an issue out of this needlessly. As I originally said, with the full context: "Like andersonh1 said, it's a middle chapter. May not have been the greatest issue but it's really meant to be looked at in terms of the larger picture." It is just one issue in a larger story arc after all, which is the norm for modern comics, geared to be collected as one story arc in a TPB. More commonly it does make a difference to see the whole story together rather than the individual issues. And it's MY OPINION (agreeing with the general opinions that have been expressed here I might add) that it wasn't the greatest of issues, BUT being a middle chapter, as andersonh1 previously expressed, I THINK it's really meant to seen with the full picture of the rest of the storyline. Perhaps I could have phrased it a little differently, but still, I shouldn't have to spell it out like this, or have to defend it like this given I believe the opinion was implied if you actually look at the context. I was giving my opinion about the quality of the issue and continuing off of that thought. Why would I even deny it if it was supposed to be a retort? Seriously, what's with this completely warped over-exaggerated reaction from you? "Placing opposing views under my tutelage", expressing my opinion as an "assumed fact"? None of that is true of what I'd said, I didn't suggest anything even remotely like what you're suggesting here. Once again, I was expressing my own opinion about the issue, not responding to your opinion. It's that simple. Yet you've chosen ignore that, to tell me how I meant what I'd said, twisted that into something I didn't say at all, and picked a fight out of nothing.
andersonh1 wrote:The other thing, apart from the art, is that I question whether or not they'd actually kill off a major character like Rodimus. Sure, it could happen, but I doubt it, and so when I see him apparently dead I'm waiting for some kind of twist to the plot to explain why it isn't really him.
It's not like they haven't "killed" off a character before and found some way to bring them back. But we have no idea what happened yet, so I think we can expect some kind of plot twist.

Re: More than Meets the Eye (IDW ongoing comic)

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 12:08 am
by JediTricks
andersonh1 wrote:The other thing, apart from the art, is that I question whether or not they'd actually kill off a major character like Rodimus. Sure, it could happen, but I doubt it, and so when I see him apparently dead I'm waiting for some kind of twist to the plot to explain why it isn't really him.
"Don't open the coffin" - since that message came from the future, I think they can "kill" Roddy without actually "killing" him, they can have some level of paradox working on their hands there. Then again, it could be him in the coffin without any timeshift shenanigans and just comic-book him back to life, which would suck. Roddy got bummed after finding out who voted him out and disappeared himself from The Lost Light, maybe he got himself chopped up and died like that for reals... for now.


Sparky, I'm not even going to respond to this stuff anymore, you come off like you're arguing to be arbitrary, like you're taking any opposing position and discarding anything you don't want to focus on that doesn't fit your new argument just so you can keep arguing.

Re: More than Meets the Eye (IDW ongoing comic)

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 2:09 am
by Sparky Prime
JediTricks wrote:Sparky, I'm not even going to respond to this stuff anymore, you come off like you're arguing to be arbitrary, like you're taking any opposing position and discarding anything you don't want to focus on that doesn't fit your new argument just so you can keep arguing.
Whatever dude. I suppose by arguing this you'll try to claim it proves you right, but to head that off, it doesn't. This warrants a response because I feel this and your previous post are making it personal. Trying to attack me when this should never have escalated that far, or even really been an issue at all, rather than just admit it was a misinterpretation on your part. I know I can be a bit passionate about arguing a point sometimes, especially when someone repeatedly ignores it completely, but that's not to be arbitrary in the least. It's not at all like I'm always disagreeing and arguing about everything, like you seem to be implying here. Believe it or not, sometimes other people actually have different points of view, that doesn't mean they're taking an opposing view just to keep arguing. And how have I discarded anything? There's a reason why I made my previous post so thorough, and I wouldn't have argued what the intent had been if I wasn't sincere about it. I've told you how I intended my post, several times now, yet for whatever reason you've chosen to completely ignore that in favor of your own inaccurate perception thus making an argument out of it in the first place. I defend my position and you start making ridiculous accusations against me. Well excuse me for defending how I intended my post to be read rather than how you took it. Discarding anything you don't want to focus on that doesn't fit your argument indeed.

Anyway, moving on...

I made a little comparison image of the coffin to help illustrate the occupant's identity (leaving in link form for any possible SPOILER purposes): in the coffin and in life.

Re: More than Meets the Eye (IDW ongoing comic)

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 9:39 am
by Shockwave
Still haven't read the issue yet, but from that pic, it's pretty obviously Rodimus. Even without the comparison.

Re: More than Meets the Eye (IDW ongoing comic)

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 4:44 pm
by andersonh1
Sparky Prime wrote:I made a little comparison image of the coffin to help illustrate the occupant's identity (leaving in link form for any possible SPOILER purposes): in the coffin and in life.
That certainly looks like him. But I'm still expecting a twist to explain how he's not really dead.

Re: More than Meets the Eye (IDW ongoing comic)

Posted: Thu Jun 05, 2014 7:49 pm
by Sparky Prime
Shockwave wrote:Still haven't read the issue yet, but from that pic, it's pretty obviously Rodimus. Even without the comparison.
Thank you!!
andersonh1 wrote:That certainly looks like him. But I'm still expecting a twist to explain how he's not really dead.
Oh yeah, I totally expect a plot twist where he turns up alive as well. I'm just saying the art is clear, somehow that's his body in the coffin. Or at the very least some kind of duplicate body-type, but considering he's been shown to have a unique body-type thus far, that doesn't seem as likely to me.

Re: More than Meets the Eye (IDW ongoing comic)

Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 9:06 am
by Shockwave
Unless it's this universe's version of Side Burn. I doubt it, but hey, if TFCC can use Rodimus for Side Burn, why couldn't IDW?

Re: More than Meets the Eye (IDW ongoing comic)

Posted: Fri Jun 06, 2014 4:24 pm
by BWprowl
Just chiming in to say that I too had no problem telling that the occupant of the coffin was
Spoiler
Rodimus
and I'm a little surprised to see that it was ever in doubt for anyone. It worked just fine as a surprise/plot-twist moment for me.