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What is the extra content?

Flipped through "Death of Wolverine". The death was.....what now?

I actually hope they bring Wolverine back before "Time Runs Out", because that would be a very weak ending for the character if this is meant to be the death of current Wolverine (only to have the character replaced with a modern iteration next year). Was there any substantial tie to "Age of Ultron"? (This was mentioned in solicits.)

Dominic wrote:What is the extra content?

Flipped through "Death of Wolverine". The death was.....what now?

I actually hope they bring Wolverine back before "Time Runs Out", because that would be a very weak ending for the character if this is meant to be the death of current Wolverine (only to have the character replaced with a modern iteration next year). Was there any substantial tie to "Age of Ultron"? (This was mentioned in solicits.)

The extra content was originally creator commentary, extra art, and an interview, which were all adequate, but in the next issues they rested on the commentary which didn't have as much to say, and the extra art stuff lost its luster.

The death was Logan lost his healing factor and got covered in molten adamantium which eventually hardened. It's particularly lame and you just know they'll free him through any of a million various comic book cheats down the road.

No tie-ins to ANYTHING that I could detect.

Okay, so the commentary is on the lower side. Is it stating the obvious ("this is the scene where the guy does the thing with the stuff to the other guy") or telling the reader how big and important it is ("this scene is our Secret Wars and Crisis rolled in to one")?


I read someplace that Wolverine lost the healing factor because of "Age of Ultron". (The idea was that the damage done to the time stream damaged the universe in ways that changed "constants", like Woverine's health. There was a recent issue of "What if....?" that did the same thing with Thor's elemental powers and ragnarok.) It seemed like weak reasoning, and I was really hoping there was something more to it.

BWprowl wrote:The comic was about a dude with spider-powers webbing around stopping bad guys with said spider-powers, and balancing his personal life with the responsibilities brought on by those powers. Parker or no Parker, it was as Spider-Man as Spider-Man gets, just with its own twists and ideas applied.

I’m continuously baffled by your projecting dismissal and hung-up attitude over a comic you didn’t even read. At any rate, we can move this element of the discussion down into the regular comics thread, this topic is hardly the place for it.

The comic was about a dude WHO STOLE SOMEONE ELSE'S BODY AND LIFE. That doesn't make him Spider-Man no matter how you try to justify it.

And as I mention before I HAVE READ PARTS OF IT and I'm not projecting anything. I didn't think it was a good story. Why is that so hard for you to get?

Sparky Prime wrote:The comic was about a dude WHO STOLE SOMEONE ELSE'S BODY AND LIFE. That doesn't make him Spider-Man no matter how you try to justify it.

And he GOT SPIDER POWERS AND BECAME SPIDER-MAN AND FOUGHT CRIME AS SPIDER-MAN as a consequence of the mind swap! He became Spider-Man in a hokey, super-villainy way, but he was still just as much Spider-Man as Miguel O'Hara, or Ben Reilly, or Miles Morales, or anybody else. Hell, before the Superior title even started, all the way back in ASM #700, that issue ended with Otto going "I have all these powers, now I have to take on the responsibility and become Spider-Man!".

I don't get how you can seriously argue that a guy called Spider-Man starring in a Spider-Man-titled comic book wherein he Does Whatever A Spider Can isn't Spider-Man, and yet somehow you continue to do so, and I keep right on arguing back as if there's any hope of convincing you.

And as I mention before I HAVE READ PARTS OF IT and I'm not projecting anything. I didn't think it was a good story. Why is that so hard for you to get?

Because if you'd read the story (which you apparently did) you would have seen that it was, in fact, about Otto being Spider-Man. That he was Spider-Man in it. That in 'Superior Spider-Man', Otto Octavius is the 'Spider-Man' in question. That he does everything expected of any Spider-Man, Peter Parker or otherwise, and more.

I feel like I'm reciting the parrot bit from Monty Python here, but I seriously don't know what else I can do to make the point clear. Fine, like it or don't like it, but to argue that 'Superior Spider-Man' was somehow NOT about 'Spider-Man' is just...bananas.

Did he do whatever a Spider could? Let's see.

Was he strong? Listen, bud, did he have radioactive blood? Spun a web? Any size? Did he capture crooks just like flies?

Oh yeah? Then he was Spider-Man.

Now I have the Ramones version if that theme song stuck in my head, so thanks, guys.

BWprowl wrote:And he GOT SPIDER POWERS AND BECAME SPIDER-MAN AND FOUGHT CRIME AS SPIDER-MAN as a consequence of the mind swap! He became Spider-Man in a hokey, super-villainy way, but he was still just as much Spider-Man as Miguel O'Hara, or Ben Reilly, or Miles Morales, or anybody else. Hell, before the Superior title even started, all the way back in ASM #700, that issue ended with Otto going "I have all these powers, now I have to take on the responsibility and become Spider-Man!"

He STOLE Spider-Man's life. That's not the same thing as just so happening to get Spider-powers, and it certainly doesn't make him like Miguel O'Hara or Ben Reilly or Miles Morales. They never asked for that power and responsibility. Where as Doc Ock took it for himself, taking it from the REAL Spider-Man.

I don't get how you can seriously argue that a guy called Spider-Man starring in a Spider-Man-titled comic book wherein he Does Whatever A Spider Can isn't Spider-Man, and yet somehow you continue to do so, and I keep right on arguing back as if there's any hope of convincing you.

I don't get how you keep ignoring the simple fact that it was Doctor Octopus pretending to be Spider-Man in his body. That's not the same thing as actually being Spider-Man.

Because if you'd read the story (which you apparently did) you would have seen that it was, in fact, about Otto being Spider-Man. That he was Spider-Man in it. That in 'Superior Spider-Man', Otto Octavius is the 'Spider-Man' in question. That he does everything expected of any Spider-Man, Peter Parker or otherwise, and more.

I feel like I'm reciting the parrot bit from Monty Python here, but I seriously don't know what else I can do to make the point clear. Fine, like it or don't like it, but to argue that 'Superior Spider-Man' was somehow NOT about 'Spider-Man' is just...bananas.

You saying it over and over again doesn't make it a fact. He was Spider-Man in name only, having stolen his life and body, but again, that's still not the same thing as actually being Spider-Man.

I wouldn't call them insane....

http://io9.com/heres-some-of-the-insane ... 1657280074

I'm interested in quite a few of those storylines. Looks like DC will be getting quite a bit more of my money than usual while Convergence is being published.

Sparky Prime wrote:You saying it over and over again doesn't make it a fact. He was Spider-Man in name only, having stolen his life and body, but again, that's still not the same thing as actually being Spider-Man.

It's a technicality, but Ock was Spider Man, as in wearing the costume and playing the role in his own way. He just wasn't Peter Parker, despite masquerading as him. That's my take on it.

Doc's initial plan was to just steal Parker's body and life and whatnot without being Spider-Man, but Peter's force-feeding him all the memories and experiences that really made Spider-Man was not a thing he'd planned on. So by the end of Spidey 700, Octavius decides that with Spider-power comes Spider-responsibility, and he will fill Peter's shoes as a hero, albeit as a jerkier hero. So in that way, taking on the Spider-Mantle was as unexpected as anything that happened to those other dudes.

And through that series he was being a hero. Although, again, kind of a jerkass, but still.

Wow, everything in that article that Anderson linked looks better than everything from the Nu52. They had my attention at Wally West.