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BWprowl wrote:

Tigermegatron wrote:nor does the IDW Megatron look anything like G-1 Megatron in neither mode.

I...know? I wasn't buying it to look like G1 Megatron, I was buying it to look like IDW Megatron. It succeeds at that admirably.

What BWprowl said. He's not meant to look like G1 Megatron, he's meant to be Megatron as a stealth bomber.

Tigermegatron wrote:Hardly anyone these days is reading the IDW TF comics,So creating newer TF toys based off newer IDW TF Art designs is a waste. The kids nor teens are not reading the IDW TF comics. only about 15% of the TF fans worldwide are bothering to read the IDW TF comics.

RiD and MTMTE are each selling over 9000 (heh) issues every month. While that's no where near the top of the comic book sales charts, it's still a decent readership. And then there is the TPB sales to consider. But regardless of who is or isn't reading the comics, it's still a cool and unique design. Clearly Hasbro agreed given they decided to make a toy of it.

BWprowl wrote:

Tigermegatron wrote:nor does the IDW Megatron look anything like G-1 Megatron in neither mode.

I...know? I wasn't buying it to look like G1 Megatron, I was buying it to look like IDW Megatron. It succeeds at that admirably.

Hardly anyone these days is reading the IDW TF comics,So creating newer TF toys based off newer IDW TF Art designs is a waste. The kids nor teens are not reading the IDW TF comics. only about 15% of the TF fans worldwide are bothering to read the IDW TF comics.

Hasbro would seem to disagree with you, given that they not only created this completely-new-mold toy as an accurate representation of the comics look, but also sold it, at retail, specifically packaged with one of those comics you claim no one cares about, which portrayed Megatron using that design that the toy was based on. It's in the first wave of a whole-new SUBLINE of toys all specifically based on the comics.

If Hasbro claims the fans only buy 5% of NEWER TF toys while the younger kiddies buy more than 95% of the TF toys in stores---> Then I highly doubt a 4 or 5 year old would care/notice/give a hoot is the HFTD Mindwipe got remolded with a new megatron head & added weapon,got colored dark grey & then got called IDW Stealth Megatron on the box/instructions.

But then what would the point of even making the toy be? I guess I'm just kind of confused about the what and why you're asking for here. Did you just miss out on ROTF Mindwipe and were hoping Hasbro would have an excuse to reissue the mold? Why would you argue for a recolored mold to be released in place of a brand-new mold, especially if you (apparently?) don't care about the character or context it's representing in this case?

tl;dr Why would you have preferred Hasbro remold Mindwipe into a new Megatron toy instead of released a brand-new-mold Megatron toy, as they did?

1- Hasbro already went the cheap route by having a faction leader get a small sized deluxe toy. At the very least my way,Hasbro goes the cheap route,remolds HFTD Mindwipe with a new megatron head,new weapon & new colors & everyone gets a voyager sized IDW Megatron toy.

1a- To those TF fans who hate wrong size scaled character TF toys,The toys might as well not exist & we won't be buying them.

1b- I have the HFTD Mindwipe toy,If I didn't own this toy,I could easily buy it off the secondary market for a decent low price.

1c- I probably would have bought the IDW TF Stealth megatron,Had it been voyager sized. As it's a decent design. I'm in it for the toys & the media second. As long as the toy design looks good & is in the proper size scale,I will buy it,regardless if I hate the media fiction it's attached to.

2- Hasbro's TF toy line main target audience which are kids from the ages from 4 thru 10 are not buying the IDW TF comics from comics stores. due to the way comics book stores are & their employees,This is not a kid friendly enviorment for parents to bring kids to.

2a- IDW TF comics sales are so low,they are almost invisble. most comic book stores don't even carry the IDW TF comics,If fans want them they have to beg the owner to order them. Super heroes comics,more than 95% fill up the majority of space in comics book stores. Kids don't buy the IDW TF comics,Teens don't buy the IDW TF comics. The Casual adult doesn't buy the IDW TF comics. more than 90% of the worldwide TF Fans don't buy the IDW TF comics.

3- If Hasbro wanted to give fans some IDW TF Character toys. Then please give fans desired characters toys in the proper size scale,colors & so forth. Examples: Leader sized Overlord,8 inch ultra size Shockwave,all Three G-1 insecticons in the same size scale not just one deluxe or just one basic. voyager or 8 inch ultra or leader sized IDW Galvatron. 8 inch Ultra sized Dai Atlas. IDW Leader sized Sixshot. IDW Supreme sized Scorponok. IDW Supreme sized Fort max.

3a- Wasting TF toy slots on IDW Orion pax,Bumblebee & Stealth Megatron makes no sense,As these Three TF character toys get almost 12+ newer TF toys per year in various sizes & various TF toy lines. Why not focus on giving fans some TF character toys that either got no homage new mold or only got one homage new mold. Kids/Parents/Fans Don't need nor desire to have display shelves/boxes/rooms full of just Bumblebee or optimus or Megatron or Starscream.

Those aren't wasted slots, and it should occur to you or anyone that there's a reason they get so many slots per year. Optimus Prime, Megatron and Bumblebee are characters that sell. They make Hasbro money. Another version of each is going to sell, regardless of where the character design originated, be it highly visible live action movie or niche-selling IDW comics.

Tigermegatron wrote:1- Hasbro already went the cheap route by having a faction leader get a small sized deluxe toy. At the very least my way,Hasbro goes the cheap route,remolds HFTD Mindwipe with a new megatron head,new weapon & new colors & everyone gets a voyager sized IDW Megatron toy.

Except it wouldn't look like IDW Megatron if they just gave that Mindwipe figure a new head. They are two entirely different types of stealth planes and the robot mode isn't all that similar.

2- Hasbro's TF toy line main target audience which are kids from the ages from 4 thru 10 are not buying the IDW TF comics from comics stores. due to the way comics book stores are & their employees,This is not a kid friendly enviorment for parents to bring kids to.

Are you kidding? How are they not a kid friendly environment? I see parents bringing their kids to comic book stores all the time.

2a- IDW TF comics sales are so low,they are almost invisble. most comic book stores don't even carry the IDW TF comics,If fans want them they have to beg the owner to order them. Super heroes comics,more than 95% fill up the majority of space in comics book stores. Kids don't buy the IDW TF comics,Teens don't buy the IDW TF comics. The Casual adult doesn't buy the IDW TF comics. more than 90% of the worldwide TF Fans don't buy the IDW TF comics.

That's pretty much all a load of bull. TF comics might not be anywhere near the top of the comic sales charts, but they're hardly almost invisible. As I pointed out in my previous post, both RiD and MTMT each haven been selling over 9000 issues a month. That aint that bad considering how dominated the top of the sales charts are by Marvel and DC. And every comic book store I've ever been to carries Transformers comics, with out having to special order them. The only time I've seen them not have an issue is because they sold out of them. So clearly someone is buying them.

3- If Hasbro wanted to give fans some IDW TF Character toys. Then please give fans desired characters toys in the proper size scale,colors & so forth. Examples: Leader sized Overlord,8 inch ultra size Shockwave,all Three G-1 insecticons in the same size scale not just one deluxe or just one basic. voyager or 8 inch ultra or leader sized IDW Galvatron. 8 inch Ultra sized Dai Atlas. IDW Leader sized Sixshot. IDW Supreme sized Scorponok. IDW Supreme sized Fort max.

I think you've got some of those characters a bit over scaled personally. Scorponok, Fortress Maximus, Overlord and Dia Atlas I'd say are all Leader Class. Shockwave, Galvatron and Sixshot would be Voyagers. The Insecticons would all be Deluxes.

3a- Wasting TF toy slots on IDW Orion pax,Bumblebee & Stealth Megatron makes no sense,

As andersonh1 said, there is a reason Hasbro puts out those characters in-particular. Those characters sell.

andersonh1 wrote:Those aren't wasted slots, and it should occur to you or anyone that there's a reason they get so many slots per year. Optimus Prime, Megatron and Bumblebee are characters that sell. They make Hasbro money. Another version of each is going to sell, regardless of where the character design originated, be it highly visible live action movie or niche-selling IDW comics.

These days newer Megatron,Optimus,Starscream & Bumblebee toys are major shelf/peg warmers-->To the extent that stores can't oder newer assortment waves that have different figures in them,until the pegs/shelves reach a certain low point where they can get restocked.

I Dis-agree,these days other TF character toys sell faster & better than starscream,bumblebee,megatron & optimus toys.

Bumblebee for the past few years hasn't been selling that great in USA stores,He's a major shelf/peg warmer. Bumblebee has caused a lot of delays & cancellations of assortments & toy lines due to the Bumblebee toys warming shelves/pegs. when pegs/shelves are full stores don't order newer waves until the pegs/shelves get less full. Examples: $29.99 Ha bumblebee & his repaints ruined the $29.99 HA line as he was a shelf warmer,didn't sell & caused stores not to order newer assortment waves. DOTM Deluxe & Leader Bumblebee warmed pegs shelves & didn't sell. Lastly TF Prime deluxe Bumblebee was such a huge shelf warmer,stores were unable to order newer waves until the bumblebee's sold.

Bumblebee toys are NOT quick sellers thus he's not in demand like Hasbro thinks he is. Their is a huge difference in creating a figure that everybody wants & it keeps selling out---> Verses hasbro shoving un-wanted newer/repaints bumblebee toys down retailers throats & causing pegs/shelves warmers that cause delays in newer assortment getting ordered.

You are provably wrong about this. But it's a free country and you have the right to be wrong.

As for Megatron: My best case scenario would have been what we got but in voyager size. But, since that didn't happen, if the only other alternatives are a halfassed repaint or a scaled down accurate representation of that version of the character, then I would prefer what we got since it's more accurate and looks way better for it.

Sparky Prime wrote: I think you've got some of those characters a bit over scaled personally. The Insecticons would all be Deluxes.

Any newer molds meant to homage the 1985 Insecticons trio designs/Persona's,Can be either Basic or Deluxe size scale,both scales would be accurate. Due to the 1985 Insecticons toys being around todays equivelant of Basics/Commanders sized TF toys. Doing deluxe sized homage toys for the 1985 Insecticons toy designs/Persona's would also be accurate as this is their G-1 cartoon size scale.

The problem,I have with Hasbro is not releasing all three 1985 Insecticons in one singular deluxe or basic size scale. Having Generations Kickback be a deluxe & Then Having Generations 30th Sharpnel being a Legends or commander sized toy throws off the size scale of the Trio of Insecticons. EITHER HAVE ALL THREE HOMAGE INSECTICONS NEW MOLDS AS LEGENDS OR AS COMMANDERS OR AS DELUXES--> BUT MIXING size scales between assortment just seems wrong.

Since this is Hasbro were talking about here. One can only assume Hasbro has Zero interest in creating a homage new mold for 1985 Bombshell due to the insect species used for Bombshell getting a recent homage in the TF Prime toy line. If Hasbro was smart or cared they'd recolor this mold in G-1 1985 Bombshell colors & re-release it under the Generations 30th TF toy line as a commander sized G-1 bombshell toy.

**Edit, seeing as you completely changed your last post TM, I'm just going to leave this: What does it matter how tall the G1 toys were? The IDW universe isn't exactly G1. Fort Max is only a little taller than Optimus. To make an IDW version of him Supreme or Titan scaled would be over scaled for that version of the character. Same thing with Scorponod the rest of the characters mentioned. If you're going to make characters in this universe to scale, it needs to stay within this universe, not meet the scale of another universe.

Sparky Prime wrote: I think you've got some of those characters a bit over scaled personally. Scorponok, Fortress Maximus, Overlord and Dia Atlas I'd say are all Leader Class. Shockwave, Galvatron and Sixshot would be Voyagers. The Insecticons would all be Deluxes.

Any new mold meant to homage the 1987 Fort max toy designs & media persona needs to be at least Supreme or titan sized since the 1987 toy was 22 inches tall in robot mode. to be true to the 1987 toys size scale,Anything smaller would be majorly 1987 toy inaccurate. Even though supreme size is smaller than titan,at the very least it's big enough to be considered beyond huge.

Any new mold meant to homage the 1987 Scorponok & cartoon designs needs to be at least Supreme or titan sized since the 1987 toy was 18 inches tall in robot mode. to be true to the 1987 toys size scale,Anything smaller would be majorly 1987 toy inaccurate. Even though supreme size is smaller than titan,at the very least it's big enough to be considered a beyond huge toy.

Any new mold meant to homage the 1988 Masterforce Overlord's toy & cartoon designs needs to be at least Supreme or Leader sized. My preference would be Supreme sized as the original 1988 toy was over 16 inches tall in robot mode. But since Masterforce overlord toy is a bit obsecure with the average buyer in today's era,Getting a leader sized toy is better than nothing. At least Hasbro/Takara can create a bit leader sized toy that's around 10 to 11 inches tall in robot mode like they did for Armada super sized Optimus Prime's toy.

Any newer homage toy meant to homage the 1987 Sixshot's toy & cartoon designs needs to be at least Leader sized--> As this is the most accurate size scale equivealnt of the 1987 toy that was over 10 inches tall in robot mode. Sixshot in the cartoon was bigger than most other characters,even optimus & galvatron. 1987 Sixshots original toy had too many parts & pieces from all 6 modes to get squeezed & shrunken down into a newer homage voyager sized mold,this needs to get down as a leader sized toy.

Both Galvatron & shockwave have already received homage toys in the deluxe & voyager size scale. At some point Hasbro/Takara is going to have to give these characters toys in their proper accurate size scale which is leader sized for galvatron & 8 inch ultra sized for Shockwave. Both characters deserve MP TF toys.

Galvatron did get a decent Energon toy at both the Ultra & leader sized levels. But sadly these toys were missing major articulation in key areas in the joints.

Hasbro/Takara at some point need to bring back the 8 inch Ultra size scale,So they can give some TF characters like Shockwave,Dia atlus,Apeface,Snap Dragon,Quickswicth,Double dealer,etc,Accurately sized scaled homage 1980's newer toys.

Hasbro/Takara need to seriously think about introducing the Leader size scale for the classics-generations toy line,As their are so many 1980's TF characters toy/media that can benefit from getting proper accurately size scaled toys like as follows: 1986 Galvatron,1987 Sixshot,MF 1988 Overlord,V Deathsurus,V 1989 Victorysabre,1986 Rodimus Prime that transforms like he did in the 1986 movie/cartoon into that one piece truck design--->I'd be happy if Hasbro increases that Titanium 6 inch Rodimus Prime toy design into a 9.5 inch leader sized toy with added poseable fingers.

Sparky Prime wrote:**Edit, seeing as you completely changed your last post TM, I'm just going to leave this: What does it matter how tall the G1 toys were? The IDW universe isn't exactly G1. Fort Max is only a little taller than Optimus. To make an IDW version of him Supreme or Titan scaled would be over scaled for that version of the character. Same thing with Scorponod the rest of the characters mentioned. If you're going to make characters in this universe to scale, it needs to stay within this universe, not meet the scale of another universe.

I had a few problems trying to get the page to load during the edit process,somehow the reply got deleted. I re-created it again above.

I'm not a Fan of the story telling,art designs & radical character persona re-writes that IDW does with some of the TF characters in their TF G-1 comics titles/issues. ----> If Hasbro/Takara is going to make any homage toys for the G-1 characters in the Classics-Generations toy lines,then I'd prefer they be based off the 1980's toys/cartoon designs/persona's.