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Dominic wrote:Bludgeon was part of a defining run of the comics in two countries, and has had some staying piower. (And, ya know, this might get us a good Bludgeon toy.)

ROTF Bludgeon wasn’t good enough for you? Seriously? That thing’s a borderline-perfect Bludgeon! (Also, when have we ever gotten a new toy of a character per the Hall of Fame? I refuse to understand people who keep using this reasoning.)

-GB Blackrock: -or even robots?

Hasbro’s official word last year was ‘Robots Only!’ which was the most hilariously inappropriate response when you consider I was asking if I could vote for Sari (God only knows how most of the Masterforce characters would be regarded). But yeah, humans are apparently ineligible. My list every year would just be five slots of Kicker otherwise.

Dom
-anything but a BW character....

For once, I agree. Variety, kids!

BWprowl wrote:

Dominic wrote:Bludgeon was part of a defining run of the comics in two countries, and has had some staying piower. (And, ya know, this might get us a good Bludgeon toy.)

ROTF Bludgeon wasn’t good enough for you? Seriously? That thing’s a borderline-perfect Bludgeon! (Also, when have we ever gotten a new toy of a character per the Hall of Fame? I refuse to understand people who keep using this reasoning.)

The reasoning, I think, is partially that anyone who gets actually elected into the Hall of Fame would give Hasbro a decent indication of toys that we're interested in. For example, Jazz was one of the potential nominees in 2010 and got an RTS toy later on!

Hasbro’s official word last year was ‘Robots Only!’ which was the most hilariously inappropriate response when you consider I was asking if I could vote for Sari (God only knows how most of the Masterforce characters would be regarded). But yeah, humans are apparently ineligible. My list every year would just be five slots of Kicker otherwise.

Masterforce probably doesn't exist.

Right now, the cop cars are making quite a showing, both Barricade and Prowl are faring well. I personally was considering Barricade as he's a striking visual movie character and damned near the only Decepticon who has any personality in the movieverse, but his lack of showing in the sequels made him not quite fit the bill for my voting criteria - it makes me look all GEEWON! but I'm not really that bad.

Mako Crab wrote:I went back to edit Blakarachnia into my list only to find out that you and Tiger had her on your list too. Very cool indeed!

Mako, as I mentioned in the voting thread itself just a moment ago, your edit adding Blackarachnia doesn't count since it's a ranked list of 5, and she's your #6.


That gives me a thought though, should we be doing a ranked list of 5, or should we take it to 10? A ranked list of 10 would add more points variety to the mix, but could lead to aberrant figures getting picked due to high volume low rank votes (which is fine, I guess, but doesn't seem exactly like the BEST one, just the best lowest common denominator one).

Dominic wrote:-anything but a BW character....

Shiiit, now I'm adding Tarantulas to my list just because of that. Ravage is off my list. Yeah, I like Tarantulas more than I like Blackarachnia or Rhinox, SORRY FOLKS!

Mako wrote:If I had to pick someone from the movies, Barricade would definitely be it. Though his name isn't original, the alt-mode and character are. Among the Decepticons, I think he stands out the most.

Yeah, he stands out as "the one Decepticon who did something".

BEST VEHICON EVER!!

I always think of Tankor(r) first, but Jetstorm is a better Vehicon character.

4. Arcee- the most famous fembot in TF history. Plus, she's not half bad either.

BWprowl wrote:

Dom
-anything but a BW character....

For once, I agree. Variety, kids!

I don't, but only because I know Dom's ultimate reasoning behind saying that. Quit punishing the beast era for the actions of it's obnoxious fans!

I don't mind going non G1 and the cop car bullet makes sense since Barricade was originally going to be Prowl anyway.

ROTF Bludgeon wasn’t good enough for you?

I fiddled with it once or twice over Lewis', maybe Honey Bear's. it is not a bad robot/tank toy. But, it is not a good Bludgeon. It is similar to how "Classics" Megatron is a good toy gun, a middling Transformer, but not such a good Megatron.

(Also, when have we ever gotten a new toy of a character per the Hall of Fame? I refuse to understand people who keep using this reasoning.)

Jazz and Shockwave made strong showings.....

Lets face it, part of this is market research for Hasbro.

And, a little thing called hope dammit. HOPE!

hat gives me a thought though, should we be doing a ranked list of 5, or should we take it to 10?

Keep it at 5, just for simplicity.


Dom
-would vote for Wheelie before a Beast.

Dominic wrote:I fiddled with it once or twice over Lewis', maybe Honey Bear's. it is not a bad robot/tank toy. But, it is not a good Bludgeon. It is similar to how "Classics" Megatron is a good toy gun, a middling Transformer, but not such a good Megatron.

Explain. Now. ROTF Bludgeon is a green tank that turns into an orange skeleton samurai robot with swords. What exactly is missing from the equation that would make it 'Bludgeon' for you?

Just a little surprised/mystified is all. JT, myself, and many others all gave Bludgeon rave reviews when he came out, so I'm wondering what was missing in your eyes.

Dominic wrote:

ROTF Bludgeon wasn’t good enough for you?

I fiddled with it once or twice over Lewis', maybe Honey Bear's. it is not a bad robot/tank toy. But, it is not a good Bludgeon. It is similar to how "Classics" Megatron is a good toy gun, a middling Transformer, but not such a good Megatron.

Whoa whoa whoa, how is it NOT a good Bludgeon? And how is it not a good Megatron? He's got a gun mode, he's got a robot mode that - aside from the fug colors and the wings, which can be folded behind him - looks like the character, he's got his fusion cannon. What more do you want, his barrel becoming his cock?

(Also, when have we ever gotten a new toy of a character per the Hall of Fame? I refuse to understand people who keep using this reasoning.)

Jazz and Shockwave made strong showings.....

Lets face it, part of this is market research for Hasbro.

I dunno, that Jazz figure had to have been in the pipeline for at least half a year before the HOF results.

hat gives me a thought though, should we be doing a ranked list of 5, or should we take it to 10?

Keep it at 5, just for simplicity.

Thanks for the input. Just simplicity though? I am thinking of what we do next year, as well as this year.

-would vote for Wheelie before a Beast.

And that proves what a mess your brain is.

BEST VEHICON EVER!!

Obsidian was better. But, none of the Vehicons are important enough characters to warrant inclusion this early, as much as I want good toys of those characters.

I understand that sentiment. It's why I tried to avoid lining my nominees with G1 characters. G1 already gets so much love. I would like to see Blackarachnia make it in at some point though.

That is why we have Bayformers. I could even get behind a UT character.

Second paragraph in the thread, it's one lone sentence. Why do I even bother?

Sorry. I copy/pasted from one thread to another and missed that part.

On top of that, the most recent iteration of Galvatron has him as a new character who has nothing to do with Megatron (or even the Decepticons; technically, he’s an Autobot!). Saying that Galvatron counts as just another version of Megatron would be like trying to argue that Scourge and Thundercracker are the same character when, really, they aren’t.

Dammit, this arguement (pre-IDW at least) is older than most of the fandom.

The classic answer to Prowl's question is that Thundercracker and the others were dead when they were rebuilt. Megatron, however, was still alive.

new character who has nothing to do with Megatron (or even the Decepticons; technically, he’s an Autobot!)

Cybertronian actually....

How do you guys let IDW get away with stuff like that Galvatron situation?

Oh get the fuck over it. "Oh noes! IDW is changing da chawuctas!"

Explain. Now. ROTF Bludgeon is a green tank that turns into an orange skeleton samurai robot with swords. What exactly is missing from the equation that would make it 'Bludgeon' for you?

The toy looks too chunky, rather than fast. Think "RTS Jazz's head sculpt, but full body". It is technically sound. But, it looks wrong for the character.

My problem with 2006 Megatron is the wings. It could have been done better.


Dom
-can make a mess of anything....as copramancer!

Dominic wrote:Dammit, this arguement (pre-IDW at least) is older than most of the fandom.

The classic answer to Prowl's question is that Thundercracker and the others were dead when they were rebuilt. Megatron, however, was still alive.

That doesn’t necessarily clinch it though. Energon Demolishor was dead before he was rebuilt, and he was treated as the same character (except in Superlink, where the second guy had a different name and *was* a separate character god dammit context). Or like, Optimus Primal, who died and got revived in a new Transmetal body, but remained the same character.

How do you guys let IDW get away with stuff like that Galvatron situation?

Oh get the fuck over it. "Oh noes! IDW is changing da chawuctas!"

I get where JT’s coming from. I picked up Spotlight Galvatron way back because I was a fan of the classic character and the things that could be done with him, hence why I was perturbed when it turned out that this guy was Galvatron In Name Only, with none of the defining traits (utter insanity, personal ambition causing him to rebel against the power that created him in the first place, a desperation to distance himself from and make up for his mistakes as Megatron) that made him, well, Galvatron. It’s fine to put new spins on characters in a reboot/new continuity, but if they’re going to be marketed as those characters, they should at least have some semblance of their bases. IDW Galvatron could just as easily have been named Sideways, or Gigatron, or Snarl.

The toy looks too chunky, rather than fast. Think "RTS Jazz's head sculpt, but full body". It is technically sound. But, it looks wrong for the character.

Eh, I guess I can see what you mean. I still think it works fantastically for the character, arguably more than the original toy (Samurai armor is inherently chunky and was never meant to look ‘fast’) but those are just, like, our opinions, man.

Copy and pasted over from the other thread-

I was gonna say some stuff about whether Megatron and Galvatron should be considered the same dude or not, but then Prowl said pretty much the same thing I was going to. So I'll just throw this in: Right before Galvatron blew Starscream away, he answered the question "Megatron, is that you?" with "Here's a hint." So was he saying "Yes, it is Megatron, and I fully recall you throwing me out of Astrotrain, asshole. See you in hell", or "No, no it isn't, because Megatron put up with your nonsense, whereas I'm not having it."? Another case of putting more thought into it than the writers did, most likely.

As for whether Tankorr and Rhinox being considered the same character, that there's a pretty good question. Once Tankorr got over the "Tankorr SMASH!" thing, he seemed pretty much in-character as Rhinox to me, anyway. Rhinox doing terrible things, yes, but I could buy that he was Rhinox. But different name and entirely different appearance mean I have no idea how Hasbro would treat it.

Just to make the whole issue even more vague, didn't the video clips for the inductees last year use clips of, say, both G1 and Movie Ironhide, f'rinstance? So if you vote for one character with a particular name, by extension, you're including every similar character with the same name? Would G1, Energon, Animated, and Prime Arcee all be the same character by that logic?

Also, gotta disagree with all you guys on the Vehicon thing and say Thrust was the coolest of 'em.