MP Acid Storm and Soundwave US picutres

The originals... ok, not exactly, but the original named "The TransFormers" anyway. Take THAT, Diaclone!
Generation 1, Generation 2 - Removable fists? Check. Unlicensed vehicle modes? Check. Kickass tape deck robot with transforming cassette minions? DOUBLE CHECK!!!
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And this is why I kinda can't help wondering if the franchise has gotten too big. There's so many different lines now that it isn't just one line "Transformers" like it was in the 80's. If it was they could continue to do the once a year thing and there'd be no complaining. People would either collect TFs or they wouldn't.
Who would this actually benefit? Rescue Bots and Bot Shots are for entry level younger kids to bring them into the brand, get them involved with the characters; Kreo and Construct Bots are for the middle kid age that is into creative toys; Prime is for middle kid age and is the main line; and Generations is for the older kid and collector set. If you collapse all that, you limit your scope and your creativity. Plus, there'd be no solid way to order exclusives, the exclusives division couldn't bring to life ideas that would otherwise not happen because retailers couldn't know up front how much to order so they wouldn't pay up front for product.
Yeah, I don't go onto very many sites either (in fact I can't even think of 10 different TF sites). I pretty much go here and tfw and that's it. I also check BBTS every day. I think what happened with the GDO figures is that they came out and I just forgot about them. Or maybe it was last year when I wasn't really buying TFs or even going to stores or anything.
You check BBTS every day??? Why? For my TF needs I hit TFW2k5 and Tformers for product news (they generally aggrigate news from other sources anyway like Seibertron and Unicron.com) and BWTF and DvD for reviews.
O6 wrote:That's assuming the money for BotShots actually comes from the same budget pool--I'm sure it doesn't. I'm sure there's an entirely different team (overheaded by some of the higher-up management guys, for brand consistency and things like that) that works on BotShots.
Actually, it is handled by the main TF team, unlike Kreo and Transformers Crossovers, but it's budgeted and directed with its own money, basically the brand's budget is added to so as to make room for Bot Shots. Also, the person heading up that segment of the brand doesn't do the main TF designing, she's part of the team but not a key member.
The reality of the situation is that if you get rid of BotShots, that space isn't going to go to more Prime and Generations. That space is going to go to Star Wars, or GI Joe, or WWE, or Power Rangers, or TMNT, or Avengers. BotShots aren't a *competing* product, because they're a Different Thing, and they largely serve a different market with their lower price points.
This is true in that Hasbro convinced retailers to add space for Bot Shots, but there's also some question of whether it cannibalizes sales from the mainline of the brand. I'd argue it doesn't because it's such a different expression, and that it's trying to cannibalize sales from Bakugan.
I'm actually going to go to my TRU after work and post a pic of what I'm talking about. Because, if BotShots was back in the toddler aisles with RescueBots, I wouldn't be complaining. The problem here is that Hasbro hasn't convinced retailers to make more space, all they've done is replace the same space with a different product. And, as a result of that, less of the product that (in my opinion) should be there. It's the same half aisle space that was there before but now half of that space is now taken up by BS and not Prime or Generations like it was before. And Prowl, you're forgetting about the shitload of BS boxsets that actually are taking up the same space that just two years ago was occupied by Prime and Generations voyagers (I know it was RTS Voyager, but you know what I mean). Fortunately I have pics somewhere of TRU toy aisle from back when Universe started (someone in my area had done some retarded toy swapping and I took pics of it). So I do have evidence for comparison.

I check BBTS daily partially to see what new preorders are out (TFs aren't the only thing I collect) and also out of boredom and I start browsing for stuff I want. This is of course after I'm done debating here and after that, TFW.
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JT wrote:Yeah, seriously, gotta know about a line's past if you jump into it, and now the tools to do so are everywhere.
Just realized I have actually been that Ignorant Fan. Last year, during Prime's big push, I got fed up and started exploring other toylines--mostly Marvel Universe and Star Wars. (I've always wanted a complete "cast" of Original Trilogy big names, and select prequel dudes who rule. Can you blame me?) But both lines have been around for a while now, and had a lot of different releases of the same characters--if you ask me right now I'd have no idea what MU stuff is actually supposed to be out right now. (Xavier/Jubilee wave, right? I wish I had dough for that shit! Right up my fucking alley.)

But let's say I want a popular character like, say, Thor. Do you know how many god damn versions of Thor there are in the MU scale? Like, a billion. It was seriously a matter of repeatedly finding one on the shelves, checking some pics online and going, "This one will do." (It was Ages of Thunder Thor. I've never read the series but he looked neat.) I'm sure there might be a "better" Thor out there, but...well, I don't really care. I just wanted A Thor.

And I'm sure on the same level, there are TF fans who just want A Megatron, A Soundwave, An Optimus Prime. They don't care which one! And for some reason, like, with TF, or even GI Joe, this shit astounds me. But if Hasbro turns around and pumps out a "better" Thor, or a "better" Darth Vader, I'm not about to turn around and go buy it. I already bought a fucking Thor. And then someone might put up pics of something I had no idea they made--for example, I just found out about a month ago that they made a Blade figure, and that he's obscenely expensive on the secondary market. In cases like that, I kind of just go, "Welp, I guess I'll never own that."
I don't need things like Bot Shots, but Dave van Domelen and Ben Yee both seem quite taken by them, and I love me some Bakugan spring-loaded little figure guys so on that level I'm almost tempted, so there clearly is some room for them to exist just because we don't buy them. They're fairly cheap and they are exploiting a market that wouldn't otherwise be exploited by Transformers, so they grow the brand without taking away from it.
As soon as I'm desk jockeying again, the first thing I'm gonna buy is a Bot Shot and chuck it on my desk. Why not?

Have they made an Onslaught one yet?
I check BBTS daily partially to see what new preorders are out (TFs aren't the only thing I collect) and also out of boredom and I start browsing for stuff I want. This is of course after I'm done debating here and after that, TFW.
If you spent that time on eBay or Amazon, you might not have to play the preorder game. ;D
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JT wrote: I don't need things like Bot Shots,but Ben Yee seems quite taken by them.
Ben yee when he does his TF toy reviews never bashes Hasbro. Ben Yee is one of those super loyal Hasbro Supporters that only praises & never bashes. So in all fairness,Ben is the worse source to get a TF toy review from when debatting whether to buy that toy or not.
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Onslaught Six wrote:If you spent that time on eBay or Amazon, you might not have to play the preorder game. ;D
Except most of my internet time is spent at work (in fact, I'm there now :| ) and ebay is blocked here. I do browse Amazon every once in a while but I usually don't find anything and if I do, it's some ungodly amount of money (note: Do NOT go looking for Henkei figures on there. You get scalped worse than... anywhere).
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Shockwave wrote:I'm actually going to go to my TRU after work and post a pic of what I'm talking about. Because, if BotShots was back in the toddler aisles with RescueBots, I wouldn't be complaining. The problem here is that Hasbro hasn't convinced retailers to make more space, all they've done is replace the same space with a different product. And, as a result of that, less of the product that (in my opinion) should be there. It's the same half aisle space that was there before but now half of that space is now taken up by BS and not Prime or Generations like it was before. And Prowl, you're forgetting about the shitload of BS boxsets that actually are taking up the same space that just two years ago was occupied by Prime and Generations voyagers (I know it was RTS Voyager, but you know what I mean). Fortunately I have pics somewhere of TRU toy aisle from back when Universe started (someone in my area had done some retarded toy swapping and I took pics of it). So I do have evidence for comparison.
You don't need to take a picture, I know what you're talking about, it's the same at all the TRUs here, and it's the only line WM has ordered a lot of. But the thing is, before Bot Shots that's how TRUs pegs were in previous years' first quarters, the line thinned out and they shrunk the pegs to match that. It's 2 rows of pegs for Generations, 2 or 3 rows of pegs for Prime, a few pegs of leftover DOTM garbage, then there's a bunch of Bot Shots next to that. Prime and Generations voyagers either get 1 or 2 top shelf slots, or 2 or 3 lower shelf slots, and then the lower shelves have spots for all the larger product that's simply not selling at all like Weaponizers and whatnot.
I check BBTS daily partially to see what new preorders are out (TFs aren't the only thing I collect) and also out of boredom and I start browsing for stuff I want. This is of course after I'm done debating here and after that, TFW.
I wouldn't have expected there to be so much need to jump on preorders, is it really that competitive over there?

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JT wrote:Yeah, seriously, gotta know about a line's past if you jump into it, and now the tools to do so are everywhere.
Just realized I have actually been that Ignorant Fan. Last year, during Prime's big push, I got fed up and started exploring other toylines--mostly Marvel Universe and Star Wars. (I've always wanted a complete "cast" of Original Trilogy big names, and select prequel dudes who rule. Can you blame me?) But both lines have been around for a while now, and had a lot of different releases of the same characters--if you ask me right now I'd have no idea what MU stuff is actually supposed to be out right now. (Xavier/Jubilee wave, right? I wish I had dough for that shit! Right up my fucking alley.)

But let's say I want a popular character like, say, Thor. Do you know how many god damn versions of Thor there are in the MU scale? Like, a billion. It was seriously a matter of repeatedly finding one on the shelves, checking some pics online and going, "This one will do." (It was Ages of Thunder Thor. I've never read the series but he looked neat.) I'm sure there might be a "better" Thor out there, but...well, I don't really care. I just wanted A Thor.

And I'm sure on the same level, there are TF fans who just want A Megatron, A Soundwave, An Optimus Prime. They don't care which one! And for some reason, like, with TF, or even GI Joe, this shit astounds me. But if Hasbro turns around and pumps out a "better" Thor, or a "better" Darth Vader, I'm not about to turn around and go buy it. I already bought a fucking Thor. And then someone might put up pics of something I had no idea they made--for example, I just found out about a month ago that they made a Blade figure, and that he's obscenely expensive on the secondary market. In cases like that, I kind of just go, "Welp, I guess I'll never own that."
You make a good point, but keep in mind that you collect Star Wars based on its origin: the movies; and Marvel based on its origin: the comics; so with TF the origin is the G1 toys. But they keep making new versions of those guys, so I guess they're still toys to some folks.
As soon as I'm desk jockeying again, the first thing I'm gonna buy is a Bot Shot and chuck it on my desk. Why not?

Have they made an Onslaught one yet?
No Onslaught Bot Shots yet, but I suspect after the recent boxed sets that they'll be getting there soon.
I check BBTS daily partially to see what new preorders are out (TFs aren't the only thing I collect) and also out of boredom and I start browsing for stuff I want. This is of course after I'm done debating here and after that, TFW.
If you spent that time on eBay or Amazon, you might not have to play the preorder game. ;D
Bah, Amazon is WAY too competitive most of the time, they have stuff sell through in minutes at reasonable price. And ebay can suck a fat one most of the time, it's just scalping and shipping gouging.

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JT wrote: I don't need things like Bot Shots,but Ben Yee seems quite taken by them.
Ben yee when he does his TF toy reviews never bashes Hasbro. Ben Yee is one of those super loyal Hasbro Supporters that only praises & never bashes. So in all fairness,Ben is the worse source to get a TF toy review from when debatting whether to buy that toy or not.
He is a cheerleader, but he has bashed:
http://www.bwtf.com/toyreviews/prime/we ... bumblebee/
http://www.bwtf.com/toyreviews/prime/airachnid/
http://www.bwtf.com/toyreviews/dotm/deluxe/airraid/
http://www.bwtf.com/toyreviews/dotm/deluxe/skids/
http://www.bwtf.com/toyreviews/dotm/deluxe/sideswipe/

He's fairly comprehensive though, and not everybody reading reviews cares about the opinion aspect anyway.
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