We've got Hall of Fame voting going on up there

[Shockwave]

That's because you'd rather sit there and pick apart the semantics of what's said rather than just focusing on the damned point.

If an argument is making a point unfairly out of context, then why would I focus on that point? It only makes sense to address the argument itself.

I have to apologize for this one, I actually meant to delete it but was falling asleep at my laptop and wound up just clicking "submit" before editing.

No one has actually said it either verbally or in writing, but I definitely think it's been clearly stated in deed. IDW stated as much by trying to shoehorn their comic into that one singular context. So did Dreamwave with their one shot story (which was going to lead to an ongoing comic).

As I've previously argued, by the time "The Gathering" was released, Beast Wars had reached it's 15th Anniversary and there had been no Beast Wars context in the public eye for a few years by then.

What does this have to do with whether or not to reboot the series?

I think all things considered for the time, it made more sense for them to incorporate the original continuity with a new story

Why?

And Dreamwave's Beast Wars comic wasn't going to be an ongoing. It was scheduled to be a 6 part mini-series.

I did not know that. I thought the six issue was going to lead to an ongoing.

What I (and I think most of the others here that have been arguing this point) wanted to see was new stories involving the old characters while introducing new ones. I want to see new stories featuring Primal and his crew vs. Megatron and his renegade Preds with a much broader cast of characters. At the end of the day you're not gonna that without a new continuity. Period.

I think the real heart of the matter is, no matter what they did, not everyone would be happy about it and find something to complain about.

This has been true of every series, not just BW.

[Sparky Prime]

I want to step in and disagree with this. The 15th anniversary is a perfect time to restart something differently. "Hey, remember that thing you loved 15 years ago? We're restarting it in a new, awesome way!"

Yeah, and I'm sure some fans would have called that a slap in the face for 'ignoring' the original continuity.

Seriously, Sparky, I dunno how you can say, "The original BW continuity had been out of the public eye for years, so it made sense to create something that tied into it."

Think about it. Beast Wars ended in 1999, Beast Machines in 2000. To the general public, they probably hadn't seen the convention comics, so IDW's comic in 2006 was the first Beast Wars related story in 6 years. IDW isn't just catering to the fans here, they'd like to pull as much as the general audience they can as well. Some of them might remember the original Beast Wars, see that and be like "Oh I remember that show, it was awesome! I have to get that comic!". Others it might be their first exposure to the Beast Wars storyline at all, and the comic gives them the background that there is more to the story to be had. I remember seeing quite a few people comment about having never seen LioConvoy before, so that made them aware of the Japanese Beast Wars shows for the first time. And while clearly, there aren't a lot of them here, there are a lot of fans that wanted to see the comic return to the only Beast Wars setting we've got, not start a new continuity.

What does this have to do with whether or not to reboot the series?

Starting a new continuity while celebrating a milestone for the old? Trying to reconnect a generalized audience with a franchise that'd been been gone for 6 years? As I said before, I think it would have been harder for IDW to launch a new continuity given some of those factors. And they were banking on the popularity of the show. They wouldn't be able to do that with a new continuity.

[Shockwave]

What does this have to do with whether or not to reboot the series?

Starting a new continuity while celebrating a milestone for the old?

But they DIDN'T start a new continuity so this part of your argument doesn't work.

Trying to reconnect a generalized audience with a franchise that'd been been gone for 6 years?

How long it's been gone is completely irrelevant to whether or not to reboot it.

As I said before, I think it would have been harder for IDW to launch a new continuity given some of those factors.

I think it would have been easier actually. The story certainly would have been less constrictive. The only real problem they would have faced would have been from BW toyhacks complaining that it wasn't the same as the show. But realistically I think that would have actually been a small part of the fandom. I think most would have enjoyed seeing new stories with their favorite characters instead of a story featuring an entire legion of nobodys.

And they were banking on the popularity of the show. They wouldn't be able to do that with a new continuity.

Ok, well this makes sense. But if all they wanted was to cash in on the show, then they should have just skipped the z-lister toy parade and just gone for a straight comic book adaptation.

[138 Scourge]

You know what always turns out well? Discussions about "The Gathering".

Interesting thing I've noticed: Does anyone like both "The Gathering" and "All Hail Megatron"? There seems to be a divide, here.

[Shockwave]

You know what always turns out well? Discussions about "The Gathering".

Interesting thing I've noticed: Does anyone like both "The Gathering" and "All Hail Megatron"? There seems to be a divide, here.

Good question. I don't like Gathering, but I do like AHM.

[Ursus mellifera]

Interesting thing I've noticed: Does anyone like both "The Gathering" and "All Hail Megatron"? There seems to be a divide, here.

I didn't like The Gathering, and I loved the BW show. I really wanted to like The Gathering, and I took it as an almost personal insult when I didn't.

I liked AHM a lot.

[Ursus mellifera]

I want to step in and disagree with this. The 15th anniversary is a perfect time to restart something differently. "Hey, remember that thing you loved 15 years ago? We're restarting it in a new, awesome way!"

Yeah, and I'm sure some fans would have called that a slap in the face for 'ignoring' the original continuity.

Are you advocating for the stagnation of a series in order to please "some fans?" I doubt there are many situations in which that turns out well, even for the fans who think they'd like it.

Everybody likes progress, but nobody likes change.

[BWprowl]

Interesting thing I've noticed: Does anyone like both "The Gathering" and "All Hail Megatron"? There seems to be a divide, here.

I didn't like The Gathering, and I loved the BW show. I really wanted to like The Gathering, and I took it as an almost personal insult when I didn't.

I liked AHM a lot.

Are you me? I was rather peeved with The Gathering/The Ascending back in the day (Ascending issue 2 set me off something fierce, it was that bad).

I think most would have enjoyed seeing new stories with their favorite characters instead of a story featuring an entire legion of nobodys.

...But if all they wanted was to cash in on the show, then they should have just skipped the z-lister toy parade and just gone for a straight comic book adaptation.

I really gotta wonder why they didn't go this route. It would have been a lot simpler, and pleased a lot more people to just write some new in-between stories featuring the Axalon and Predacon Ship crews, rather than trying to cram in a bunch of new guys who got no development while still trying to sneak in cameos from everyone's favorite show characters. Weird.

[Sparky Prime]

But they DIDN'T start a new continuity so this part of your argument doesn't work.

You're not seeing the point of the question... I was asking if it makes sense to celebrate the anniversary of something old with something totally new and thus not really connected to it.

How long it's been gone is completely irrelevant to whether or not to reboot it.

I don't agree. With the series out of the public eye for so long, there wont be the same buzz for it as when it had been at the height of its popularity when it was originally on the air. Making it harder to try something new when the audiences aren't there like they used to be or as aware of it. And would they be more likely to check out something based on the show they might at least remember after so many years or something separate?

Ok, well this makes sense. But if all they wanted was to cash in on the show, then they should have just skipped the z-lister toy parade and just gone for a straight comic book adaptation.

I don't think people would have wanted just a rehash of the show. The introduction of the toy characters was an effort to give us a new story based on the original cartoon.

Are you advocating for the stagnation of a series in order to please "some fans?" I doubt there are many situations in which that turns out well, even for the fans who think they'd like it.

Of course not. I'm just pointing out you'd still have plenty of people complaining even if they'd done that instead.

[138 Scourge]

Had a post, realized it was in a thread that had become about the Gathering, immediately regretted it.

So, nevermind.