Is a Generations Astrotrain Voyager toy needed? I think so..

[Gomess]

I think we're getting some wires crossed; it's the toyline where I'd mostly wanna see predominantly new faces, and naturally a cartoon to support that. I can understand why people wanna read stories about underused characters, but something about it just doesn't exactly drag me in. Like AHM though, if the opportunity presents itself I'll give it a fair chance!

...Presumably this aforementioned Metrotitan has no relation to the existing Metrotitan? I guess you'd have noticed if they were just a Metroplex recolour.

[Onslaught Six]

...Presumably this aforementioned Metrotitan has no relation to the existing Metrotitan? I guess you'd have noticed if they were just a Metroplex recolour.

About as much as IDW's Galvatron does to G1, in that they look the same.

Metrotitan isn't even strictly called that--it's instead revealed that "Metrotitan" is a "class" of Transformer, and the one that shows up is 'a' Metrotitan. (Metroplex is also A Metrotitan.) They're Ungodly huge and super powerful. The MTMTE crew finds one, basically dying, and Cyclonus (who is from the time Before Autobots And Decepticons, along with the now-dead Galvatron) then relates his "version" of the Transformers creation myth. Basically, the Metrotitans were the spaceships for the Knights of Cybertron, who are IDW's equivalent of the original 13 Transformers. (...more or less; there's been a big debate about that but since MTMTE's focus has shifted off them, it doesn't really matter.)

http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/9/9 ... titans.jpg

And keep in mind, besides the fact that the Metrotitans (or at least two of them) clearly exist, none of this is outright stated as fact.


But anyway. You're right, we are getting off from your original point, that you'd like to see a new cartoon that did this kind of thing. And here's my rebuttal: I fucking would too! It's just really unlikely given that the current cartoon is boring as shit. It is literally the most boring that you can make Transformers. I am more entertained by the Michael Bay films than by Prime. At least those have eye candy.

[Shockwave]

Ah, you're right, I misunderstood. I could get behind more new characters in Transformers toy lines, but I ultimately think that's most likely to be driven by the fiction first, toys second. I mean in recent years, we've gotten new characters but they've all shown up in either cartoons or comics first and then been made into toys. Even going back as far as the Marvel run with Straxus/Darkmount. Characters like Knockout from Prime and Bulkhead, Lugnut and Lockdown from Animated, they all came from the fiction first and then got made into toys. And, with Hasbro now putting out figures of IDW's designs, it's possible we could get figures of some of the new characters down the line. I personally wouldn't mind seeing the entire DJD on the toy shelves.

[Gomess]

the current cartoon is boring as shit

Yes. I finally gave Prime a chance, and it takes itself WAY too seriously. I am so looking forward to what's next.

All this would probably make a pretty cool podcast...

[Onslaught Six]

We were trying to get one together for a while! Remember? And then we, uh, stopped.

[Tigermegatron]

the current cartoon is boring as shit

Yes. I finally gave Prime a chance, and it takes itself WAY too seriously. I am so looking forward to what's next.

I hated the 2008 TF Animated cartoon because it was too silly,off the wall clown/circus humor. Lugnuts,blitzwing & starscream acted like the three stooges. bumblebee & bulkhead were too incompetent & needed constant adult supervision from their higher ranking peers. Sari was the ugliest,dumbest & most annoying human kid to ever grace the TF media fiction. Clearly animated was meant for a much lower kids age group than any other TF cartoon series that came before it.

I love the TF Prime cartoon because it takes itself very serious & is intended for a much higher kids age group. The only thing I hated was Silas & his crew,they reminded me of the human military villians from the IDW TF comics.

[JediTricks]

I am only talking about Classics/Generations figures, and in that line there's only 1 Starscream mold.

There is more than one Classics/Generations new mold Starscream toy. There is the Classics 1.0 Deluxe Starscream mold. The Classics/RTS Legends sized starscream mold. The Generation FOC Deluxe Starscream mold.

There is only 1 G1 Starscream mold that's not a pointless Legends which doesn't count anyway.

I'll be the first to admit this Jedi story about Jimmy was amusing & funny as hell.

I never liked Jimmy anyways,he's a punk & a bully. For years he's been bullying other kids due to him being taller & fatter than most boy his age.

All Jimmy wanted was a friend, a plastic friend that turned into a truck. Instead he unboxed polio and died from a disease we cured years ago simply because his mom is too poor to be educated properly on vaccines.

...and thinks it would be funny if he died of polio

??? aside, from a personal perspective I'll never understand why people want to see new toys of the same characters. Sure, I own some of those exact toys, but ideally I'd prefer to see genuinely *new* TFs take the helm of the franchise. But I'm not so naive as to think that'd be a good business decision.

Optimus Prime = Everyone's money
Astrotrain = Mostly collectors' money
New guy = ??????

I wonder what the sales would look like for a line helmed by Optimus Prime and a brand new Decepticon leader. Total hypothesis of course, but.

I like new characters, but I like my original characters too and when technology allows for improvements, I want both new and old characters to be the best they can be. Plus, were it not for classic characters and regular updates, Hasbro wouldn't have a recognizable brand here.

If you want to see what happens to a new leader, look at "Megatron" from RID or Cybertron, both were pretty far afield and left audiences feeling uninspired, I think.

Also, consider how much more expensive it'd be to come up with new names and characters for every iteration of the brand, usage trademarks expire if you don't continue using them after 3 years - hence we're stuck with "Rodimus" instead of Hot Rod.

Hasbro has proved through the Transformers movie that the characters and the concept are the core to their brand, those classic elements are the brand's biggest strengths, not weaknesses.

I think we're getting some wires crossed; it's the toyline where I'd mostly wanna see predominantly new faces, and naturally a cartoon to support that. I can understand why people wanna read stories about underused characters, but something about it just doesn't exactly drag me in. Like AHM though, if the opportunity presents itself I'll give it a fair chance!

...Presumably this aforementioned Metrotitan has no relation to the existing Metrotitan? I guess you'd have noticed if they were just a Metroplex recolour.

Darkmount, Drift, Thunderwing, Skullgrin, Sky Shadow, Junkheap, Vehicon, Hot Shot, Knock Out, Breakdown, Airachnid, Dreadwing, Thundertron, Skyquake, Fallback, Tailgate, Flamewar, Evac, Sandstorm, Backfire, Thunderhead (man, there's a lot of "thunder___" names), Icepick, Whirl, Tailpipe, Pinpoint, Crosshairs, Halftrack, Reverb, Crankcase, Jolt, Topspin, Roadbuster, Darksteel, Skyhammer, Sentinel Prime, Leadfoot, Guzzle, Hatchet, Crowbar, plus all of the PCC characters minus Huffer. These are all toys from the last 20 months (from DOTM on) that are either new faces or essentially-unused faces.

[Onslaught Six]

If you want to see what happens to a new leader, look at "Megatron" from RID or Cybertron, both were pretty far afield and left audiences feeling uninspired, I think.

Hey, Gigatron is badass. Cybertron Megs sucked.

[Tigermegatron]

If you want to see what happens to a new leader, look at "Megatron" from RID or Cybertron, both were pretty far afield and left audiences feeling uninspired, I think.

Hey, Gigatron is badass.

I thought that CR/Rid Gigatron/Megatron toy was great. It was a shame that OTFCC ended before they could create that TM2 Megatron recolor+Re-tool using that Rid Megatron toy mold.

I thought all the AEC Megatron toys were pure awesome & were more beautifully scuplted than all the Movie-verse megatron toys.

Also, consider how much more expensive it'd be to come up with new names and characters for every iteration of the brand, usage trademarks expire if you don't continue using them after 3 years - hence we're stuck with "Rodimus" instead of Hot Rod. .

Hasbro can easily get around that by releasing newer faction leaders in the main media line,But keeping the optimus & Megatron trademarks names by releasing them in sub-lines like generations in that same year.

Examples of new faction leaders that are not named optimus & Megatron that would do decent in the media/toy line are as follows: Galvatron,Rodimus Prime,Overlord,Fortress maximus,Scorponok,Ultra Magnus.

Darkmount, Drift, Thunderwing, Skullgrin, Sky Shadow, Junkheap, Vehicon, Hot Shot, Knock Out, Breakdown, Airachnid, Dreadwing, Thundertron, Skyquake, Fallback, Tailgate, Flamewar, Evac, Sandstorm, Backfire, Thunderhead (man, there's a lot of "thunder___" names), Icepick, Whirl, Tailpipe, Pinpoint, Crosshairs, Halftrack, Reverb, Crankcase, Jolt, Topspin, Roadbuster, Darksteel, Skyhammer, Sentinel Prime, Leadfoot, Guzzle, Hatchet, Crowbar, plus all of the PCC characters minus Huffer. These are all toys from the last 20 months (from DOTM on) that are either new faces or essentially-unused faces.

Hasbro's main problem with the Classics/Generations toy line is giving the wrong sized scaled molds to the wrong persona Characters. 2.0 Ultra Powerglide should have received a basic or deluxe mold,So 2.0 Galvatron couldf have got a ultra sized mold. Generations Thunderwing needed a voyager sized mold as the deluxe was too small for his marvel comic size/rank. 2.0 Cyclonus & Generations Scourge should have got voyager sized toys not deluxes. 2.0 silverbolt & 2.0 onslaught didn't need ultra sized toys,their correct updated size scale was deluxe toys.

Hatchet,I thought was a very creative & interesting design but nobody recognized the genious of the design due to it being stuck in the basic size scale that many easily forget this toy existed. This toy needed to be created in the voyager size class,so it could have been recolored into 1986 Skylynx colors+persona.

At some point the Generations toy line needs to start doing bigger size scaled toys like the $27 USA Ultra size & the leader size. Because there are so many huge/high ranking TF characters that need a new updated toy like as follows:
1- 1988 Masterforce Overlord,One voyager sized tank,one voyager sized Jet,that merge to form a Leader sized Robot mode toy.
2- 1986 Rodimus Prime,Similar to his Titanium 6 inch toy but at the $27 usa ultra size or leader size.
3- 1986 G-1 Galvatron,That looks like his 1986 toy/media with his laser canon alt mode,$27 usa ultra or leader size.
4- 1986 G-1 styled Ultra Magnus,either $27 usa ultra or leader size.
5- G-2 Jhiaxus,$27 USA Ultra Size.
6- 1989 Deathsauras,$27 USA ultra size.
7 1989 Victorysabre,Voyager size Starsabre & Voyager size Victoryleo that merge to form a Leader sized robot mode.

[JediTricks]

Hey, Gigatron is badass. Cybertron Megs sucked.

Defend that statement please. I only remember RID Megatron being a bumbling, generic cartoon villain who ran away a lot and mistreated his handful of loyal idiots.

I thought that CR/Rid Gigatron/Megatron toy was great. It was a shame that OTFCC ended before they could create that TM2 Megatron recolor+Re-tool using that Rid Megatron toy mold.

I thought all the AEC Megatron toys were pure awesome & were more beautifully scuplted than all the Movie-verse megatron toys.

We are referring to the cartoon characters there. As for RID Megatron, I didn't love it, not enough robot and too many generic modes that look like fan-designed whatevers.

Hasbro can easily get around that by releasing newer faction leaders in the main media line,But keeping the optimus & Megatron trademarks names by releasing them in sub-lines like generations in that same year.

Examples of new faction leaders that are not named optimus & Megatron that would do decent in the media/toy line are as follows: Galvatron,Rodimus Prime,Overlord,Fortress maximus,Scorponok,Ultra Magnus

Now come up with more new characters than just leaders since that's what that conversation was talking about. Come up with hundreds of new characters. Keep coming up with them. Also come up with Transformers characters that capture audiences' imaginations as well as the main guys because the brand is in jeopardy when it's not recognizable to audiences.