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The originals... ok, not exactly, but the original named "The TransFormers" anyway. Take THAT, Diaclone!
Generation 1, Generation 2 - Removable fists? Check. Unlicensed vehicle modes? Check. Kickass tape deck robot with transforming cassette minions? DOUBLE CHECK!!!
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BWprowl wrote: Anyway, I highly doubt Takara's trying to 'trick' Hasbro into picking up MP Autobot Cars/Alternity with these releases. The reason we're getting Masterpiece toys of guys like Sideswipe and Prowl is...they're popular G1 guys that people want Masterpiece toys of, just like Grimlock and Soundwave, and the reason they're 'Deluxe-sized' is so they'll be in-scale with the already released guys like Optimus, Starscream, and co. For every person howling about how Sideswipe is too small, you'd see an equal-but-opposite group howling if he was as tall as Optimus (and frankly, I see that group's point a lot more than I do the former's). That said, the $60-80 price tag is just as insane as what Takara was charging for Alternity, so that's at least one point against them.
The main problem is The MP TF seekers are 8 inch Ultra Sized. So having such tiny deluxe Sized MP TF Cars/bots throws off the media/toys scales from the 1984 seekers & bigger car/bots.

The deluxe size scale of TF toys from 1996 thru 2013 ranges from 5 inches to 6 inches tall in robot mode measured from head to toe. These MP TF deluxe cars bots are in the deluxe size scale because they are under 6 inches tall in robot mode measured from head to toe.

To be fairly accurate the bigger cars/bots in 1984-1985 were only a bit smaller about 25% smaller than the seekers toys/media. So The MP TF cars/bots needed to be Voyager size scale not deluxe size scale.

Their is no need for these MP TF cars bots. we already got dozens of these guys in classics,generations,RTS,Alternators,BT,Alternity & the movie verse. I'd much rather Takara focus on the Bigger sized & higher ranking 2nd in command & leadership roles TF character toys for the MP TF toy treatment like Overlord,Shockwave,G-1 Galvatron,1986 Cyclonus,Combiners,etc...

I honestly don't see Hasbro being too excited nor wanting to release these MP TF deluxe cars bots to it's USA & Global retailers. Because TRU is the only one willing to sell these. I don't think TRU would be willing to sell deluxe cars for $40+. I seriously doubt Hasbro & TRU in the USA will sell these MP TF cars bots for $20 or under $35 due to Hasbro having to pay cars liscense fees.

Sure Hasbro paid cars liscense fees for the movie-verse & alternators. but those Toy lines were released in all the stores worldwide in much higer volume units. The problem with hasbro paying cars liscense fees to lamborgini & datsun is only TRU stores will stock these toys. as most know store exclusives are ordered in lower volume. due to TRU having less traffic/sales compared to walmart & Target,TRU when they order TF store exclusives is in a much,much lower volume units.
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Tigermegatron wrote:The main problem is The MP TF seekers are 8 inch Ultra Sized. So having such tiny deluxe Sized MP TF Cars/bots throws off the media/toys scales from the 1984 seekers & bigger car/bots.

To be fairly accurate the bigger cars/bots in 1984-1985 were only a bit smaller about 25% smaller than the seekers toys/media. So The MP TF cars/bots needed to be Voyager size scale not deluxe size scale.
They really are not quite as small as a deluxe figure. Here, I found a size comparison showing MP Lambor with other versions of the character. You can see it's actually a bit larger than the deluxe Classics Sideswipe, yet a little smaller than Alternators Sideswipe, placing it closer to a Mega sized figure. And as for the media scale, this actually is about how big the Autobot cars should be compared to the most recent MP version of Optimus.
Their is no need for these MP TF cars bots. we already got dozens of these guys in classics,generations,RTS,Alternators,BT,Alternity & the movie verse. I'd much rather Takara focus on the Bigger sized/higher ranking TF character toys for the MP TF toy treatment like Overlord,Shockwave,G-1 Galvatron,1986 Cyclonus,Combiners,etc...
None of those other lines are quite the G1 version of the characters though, which is what the MP line is based on. And there are plenty of fans who are looking forward to MP versions of these G1 characters. It's really impossible to say what characters are "higher ranking" than others when everyone has different favorites they would like to see.

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The deluxe size scale of TF toys from 1996 thru 2013 ranges from 5 inches to 6 inches tall in robot mode measured from head to toe. These MP TF deluxe cars bots are in the deluxe size scale because they are under 6 inches tall in robot mode measured from head to toe.
I don't know where you got that measurement that it's under 6 inches from, but it's not accurate. MP Lambor has been measured to be around 7 inches in height in his robot mode according to reviews, making it larger than a deluxe figure.
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The whole scale thing has always been off anyway. I mean the G1 cartoon would actually have us believe that a Lamborghini and an F-15 are the same size. The combiners are almost always out of scale, often showing the individual bots being much smaller than even the limbs they create.
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I just have problems paying that much money for such a small toy. It has nothing to do with the size of the character--I understand that--but everything to do with how big it is vs. cost.

A side note: Prowl and Bluestreak are supposed to be taller than Sideswipe, and indeed were in G1.
BWprowl wrote:The internet having this many different words to describe nerdy folks is akin to the whole eskimos/ice situation, I would presume.
People spend so much time worrying about whether a figure is "mint" or not that they never stop to consider other flavours.
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Onslaught Six wrote:I just have problems paying that much money for such a small toy. It has nothing to do with the size of the character--I understand that--but everything to do with how big it is vs. cost.
This. I don't wish the toys were bigger, I wish the price was lower. I would totally pay $40-50 bucks for a 'Masterpiece' at the size Sideswipe is (if it was a character I cared more about, that is). I'm the guy who's paid $30-40 for five-inch Figuarts bugmen, or dropped nearly $60 apiece on a couple of Super Robot Chogokin figures, so I can grasp the cost/quality ratio. It's just...I don't really want *Sideswipe* enough to justify dropping that sort of dosh on him (plus MPs in general just aren't really my thing, save for a few).
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I probably wouldn't even pay that, because I'm a cheap fucking bastard.
BWprowl wrote:The internet having this many different words to describe nerdy folks is akin to the whole eskimos/ice situation, I would presume.
People spend so much time worrying about whether a figure is "mint" or not that they never stop to consider other flavours.
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andersonh1 wrote:
Sparky Prime wrote:First images are online of Prowl and Bluestreak.
Low-res photographs aside, those two figures look great. I'd definitely like to have both.
Much better quality images are now online.
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Definitely better pics but I can't help noticing that Bluestreak still has absolutely no blue on him anywhere. Oh well, I expected this.

How much was Grimlock here in the US? I'd imagine these guys would have to be about half that at the most.
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Shockwave wrote:How much was Grimlock here in the US? I'd imagine these guys would have to be about half that at the most.
As I recall, MP Grimlock was somewhere around $60. And I'd have to agree, if Hasbro releases these figures I can see them being around $30.
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Shockwave wrote:How much was Grimlock here in the US? I'd imagine these guys would have to be about half that at the most.
As I recall, MP Grimlock was somewhere around $60. And I'd have to agree, if Hasbro releases these figures I can see them being around $30.
Grimlock was actually more like $70, at least that's what I paid for him.

Anyway, one thing Grimlock didn't have that these guys do that might drive up the price is licensing. Takara had to pay Lamborghini for the license to use the vehicle mode for Sideswipe, which, as I understand, is a large part of why that toy was so expensive. Same thing with these guys and Datsun, we'll have to see how that'll affect any possible Hasbro releases.

I'm not really feeling the mold now that we're getting a good look at it. The proportions are just too cartoony.
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