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Not after what you posted in the Halloween thread. :(

Again, if *everybody* thought of it forty years ago, why didn't they do it then?
Because, as has been mentioned, it is a junior fanboy idea that is a step above being a joke.

You're missing the point if you think you're supposed to be surprised by seeing who rises from the dead. They've made it clear from the beginning that EVERY dead character is susceptible to becoming a Black Lantern.
If anybody can come back, why would we be suprised when anyone comes back?

Again, your missing the point. It's not about Dove, it's about why they can't raise him.

I could almost agree with this....

Except....
Being a character driven story, I guess I shouldn't be surprised you have an inaccurate view of this story.
It is character centric....except with Dove?

He said more than you seem to realize.
What did he say besides "wowie, teh Beest Warz"?


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Dominic wrote:Because, as has been mentioned, it is a junior fanboy idea that is a step above being a joke.
The majority appears to disagree. People are loving this.
If anybody can come back, why would we be suprised when anyone comes back?
That's what I said... You shouldn't be surprised by seeing anyone rising as a Black Lantern.
It is character centric....except with Dove?
Dove is dead but he's at peace, making it so the black rings cannot raise him, making him unique from every other dead character rising as Black Lantern. That says something about Dove.
What did he say besides "wowie, teh Beest Warz"?
You know, tying up loose ends from the show, giving us more of an idea of what was going on with Cybertron... That sort of stuff.
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Sparky Prime wrote:The majority appears to disagree. People are loving this.
Because the only people left reading comics are either braindead idiots who will eat up anything DC/Marvel puts out (I know people who think Civil War was the best comic series ever), or people like Dom who think most of what comes out these days sucks--but we keep reading it because occasionally there's something decent.
BWprowl wrote:The internet having this many different words to describe nerdy folks is akin to the whole eskimos/ice situation, I would presume.
People spend so much time worrying about whether a figure is "mint" or not that they never stop to consider other flavours.
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Sparky Prime wrote:Dove is dead but he's at peace, making it so the black rings cannot raise him, making him unique from every other dead character rising as Black Lantern. That says something about Dove.
What it says about him is that he's at peace. Because he's Dove. Hur. I can almost *hear* Johns chuckling to himself, he thinks he's so clever.
What fun would the comic be if we didn't see the characters interacting with their dead loved ones? And if you've actually been paying attention to the story, the Black Lanterns have been harvesting that emotional energy (for some yet unknown reason), and it's that energy that is the only thing capable of fighting the Black Lanterns.
Maybe it would be more fun if not for the fact that EVERY SINGLE confrontation with Dead Loved Ones has played out *exactly* the same way so far. We see the relevant characters in some neutral setting, usually handily talking about or dealing with death in some way. Then some Black Rings fly in (FLESH!!) and resurrect a dead loved one, who confronts the relevant character and starts lecturing them to draw out some emotional response. We then see these emotional responses via Black-Lantern-O-Vision where it's translated into the color spectrum and then redefined for us (this is annoying too, since despite all the times they've done this, they still feel the need EVERY TIME to let us know that Red means Rage, Green means Will, etc. Talk about insulting your audience). Then the relevant character is almost sucked into it, but then something happens to snap them out of it (they get attacked a little too hastily, another hero flies in, whatever), they realize that the Black Lantern is NOT ACTUALLY THEIR LOVED ONE, listen to a little more lecture, deliver a punctual 'Shut up' line, and blast them away using whatever means they have handy. Every. Single. Time. They expect us to follow this for eight whole issues? Plus tie-ins?

Anyway, while the main Blackest Night book is earning plenty of sarcastic ire from me, I will begrudgingly admit to enjoying the part that's playing out in 'Green Lantern'. The interaction dynamics between the slowly assembling Most Powerful Members of the Technicolor Dream Corps is FAR more interesting than b-list heroes wangsting at the sight of dead loved ones. The fight between Sinestro and Mongul was awesome, if only for showing how much Sinestro actually cares about Korugar, and how they really view him in a rather positive light. Too bad Hal's been kind of a sarcastic, shallow, snippy dick through this whole thing. Is this how Hal Jordan is usually written? I haven't read a lot of GL before this. But otherwise, it's been enjoyable. Looks like we'll get more Larfleeze in the coming issues. I love that little guy.
Scourge wrote:Anyway, please tell me that Black Lantern Cliff Steele's Body had a robot brain in it. You don't even know how happy it'd make me. Weird that they had to stretch that far, though. The Doom Patrol's got more dead members than any other superteam other than maybe Alpha Flight. Hell, Larry, Rita, and Niles were all dead last I heard. Any sign of Karma, Tempest, or Celsius? That's even without getting into the Vertigo-era guys who're all dead now.
Sadly, Steele's resurrected body just has an empty hollow area where his brain would be. Anyway, Niles, Larry, and Rita are all alive in this new Doom Patrol series. And Temptest and Celsius are Black Lanterns along with Cliff Steele's body and the Negative Woman, whom the Patrol start fighting in this issue.
Dom wrote:Hair retcon? Please explain.
In the latest issue of 'Batman & Robin', Jason Todd was revealed to have switched back to his Silver Age-style red hair. He proceeds to bitch that Bruce made him dye it before, to make him look more like Dick Grayson.
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Onslaught Six wrote:Because the only people left reading comics are either braindead idiots who will eat up anything DC/Marvel puts out (I know people who think Civil War was the best comic series ever), or people like Dom who think most of what comes out these days sucks--but we keep reading it because occasionally there's something decent.
:roll: That's hardly the only two groups of people reading comics.
BWprowl wrote:What it says about him is that he's at peace. Because he's Dove. Hur. I can almost *hear* Johns chuckling to himself, he thinks he's so clever.
Again, you're missing the significance. Have you read the Teen Titans tie-in? Even if you haven't you should notice it isn't just that Dove is at peace, there is something different about him (and the current living Dove as well) that protects him from the Black Rings. They couldn't even get close to his grave, like some shield protects him.
Maybe it would be more fun if not for the fact that EVERY SINGLE confrontation with Dead Loved Ones has played out *exactly* the same way so far.
You're reading a different book than I am if you think every confrontation has been the exact same. Reactions have been very different. As have the tactics for fighting them.
this is annoying too, since despite all the times they've done this, they still feel the need EVERY TIME to let us know that Red means Rage, Green means Will, etc. Talk about insulting your audience
Not every character is only feeling one emotion at a time. I find it rather helpful that they say what the characters are feeling at times when so much of the colors are jumbled together that can make it somewhat difficult to distinguish.
They expect us to follow this for eight whole issues? Plus tie-ins?
Haven't you already noticed the shift in the story telling? The Black Lanterns are at 100%. They reached their goal. Now it's on to the next phase.
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Sparky Prime wrote:Haven't you already noticed the shift in the story telling? The Black Lanterns are at 100%. They reached their goal. Now it's on to the next phase.
Bring out Nekron, murder bunches of dudes, wait for Hal Jordan and the other Corps representatives to show up with White Rings and stop them. In the meantime, more cameo splash pages.
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BWprowl wrote:Bring out Nekron, murder bunches of dudes, wait for Hal Jordan and the other Corps representatives to show up with White Rings and stop them. In the meantime, more cameo splash pages.
You know it isn't going to be as simple as that. Nekron is clearly planning something bigger for having gathered so much energy from the Emotional Spectrum himself. Even though it has been heavily speculated, we don't actually know if we'll see any "White Lanterns". The individual colors working together against Black Lanterns seem to do a pretty good job anyway. And we've been told 'The Black' was what splintered 'The White' into the Emotional Spectrum in the first place, which indicates it wont be an easy fight either way.
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Because the only people left reading comics are either braindead idiots who will eat up anything DC/Marvel puts out (I know people who think Civil War was the best comic series ever), or people like Dom who think most of what comes out these days sucks--but we keep reading it because occasionally there's something decent.

Actually, it is a combination of habit and being a glutton for punishment. So, I am a junkie-masochist.

Arguably, I am worse than the brain-dead fanboys because I *know* what I am doing, and still do it.

You know, tying up loose ends from the show, giving us more of an idea of what was going on with Cybertron...
So nothing important or original then.

In the latest issue of 'Batman & Robin', Jason Todd was revealed to have switched back to his Silver Age-style red hair. He proceeds to bitch that Bruce made him dye it before, to make him look more like Dick Grayson.
And, on campuses everywhere, adherents to queer theory and Morrison fans cheered.

it isn't just that Dove is at peace, there is something different about him

Oh my, this thread *is* taking a turn......
Haven't you already noticed the shift in the story telling? The Black Lanterns are at 100%. They reached their goal. Now it's on to the next phase.
But it was several issues of redundant confrontations, along with tie-ins leading up to......the event that really will not mean anything.
You know it isn't going to be as simple as that. Nekron is clearly planning something bigger for having gathered so much energy from the Emotional Spectrum himself. Even though it has been heavily speculated, we don't actually know if we'll see any "White Lanterns". The individual colors working together against Black Lanterns seem to do a pretty good job anyway. And we've been told 'The Black' was what splintered 'The White' into the Emotional Spectrum in the first place, which indicates it wont be an easy fight either way.
But is there really any doubt about the outcome?


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Dominic wrote:Given that Furman has never been subtle, I am not sure the meth thing is actually in there.

If it is, then "The Ascending" is even worse, as it makes junkies out of 2/3 of the cast.


There is a difference between having something to say, and preaching though. If the writers is demonstrating understanding of something, but not trying to make a moral case, that is not preaching.

Dom
It's definately there. Big Convoy makes some comment implying that it's an illegal substance on Cybertron, effectively making a clear implication that they regard it the same as an illegal drug.

Conceptually you're right of course, but I can't think of a better term to use so I'm going with preach.
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If it is a "drug episode", that explains why it was bad. (And now, pretty much all of the Japanese cast is ruined like Speedy!)

I can think of one single "did not suck totally and ruin a character" drug episode, ever, "The Wire" on DS9.

That is it.

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