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RID #22

The latest issue was pretty good, all things considered. It feels like the story is crawling along to get to Dark Cybertron, and we've gone back over the same ground several times from the point of view of different characters, but it looks like we're finally there. This issue wraps up the look back at Soundwave's life and how he came to be who he is and to believe in the Decepticon cause. And it uses some character information from his original bio in a way that I don't think has been done before. Specifically his hearing and his mind reading, though here it's described as feeling all emotions from others, with the exception of Shockwave who has no real emotion. It's very well done, actually.
It is said Soundwave can hear a fly sneeze. Uses anything he hears for blackmail to advance his status. Opportunist. Despised by all other Decepticons. Sensors can detect even lowest energy radio transmissions. Able to read minds by monitoring electrical brain impulses. Acts as radio link for others. Locates and identifies Autobots, then informs Decepticons. Carries a concussion blaster gun. Often target of retaliation by his comrades.
The flashbacks are in reverse chronological order, which is a little annoying, but it's worth it in the end with a scene of Soundwave as he was before the faceplate and before he became a Decepticon. The issue does manage to avoid killing either Soundwave or Shockwave when the inevitable fight occurs between the two, though I suspect that Shockwave should be able to win that fight. Soundwave is good, but Shockwave is more powerful. That's my guess anyway.
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Dominic wrote:And, this week's issue.....

Issue 21:
This issue focuses on the Decepticons, and a schism in their ranks. More than a few characters are doubting Megatron's greatness as a leader, leaving Soundwave as one of the last loyalist Decepticons. A new McGuffin (a variant of energon that functionally makes its users indestructible) is introduced this issue. I admit to being a bit worried that it will be used to raise a few dead characters either during or after "Dark Cybertron". (I really like the idea that characters like Thrust, Ramjet or Scrapper can die and stay dead. I would kind of like the to stay that way.) "Dark Cybertron" is going to be a big stupid event. But, I am interested in what IDW plans to do after the event is over. Hopefully, it will not be a reset.
Grade: B/C
It took me a really long time to get to this issue, and I didn't enjoy it much at all. This was painful filler, and the fractured story with Shockwave and Soundwave lacked context and thus impact. As for Ore 14, it was cheap and lame. This issue also spent way too much time dicking around with loose plot threads that didn't really need more pulling.
Am I the only one who is expecting "Dark Cybertron" to end with some kind of reset back what things have been? Am I the only one who is not looking forward to it?
I don't expect that at all. It may happen, but that's not what this is shaping up to be, it seems more like a convergence of wills and less a planetwide reset.

Oh, hey, issue 22:
Soundwave's origin concludes. Barber does a good job of showing the downside to Soundwave's hyper-senses and why that would lead him to being a Decepticon. (Megatron is, if nothing else, honest. Soundwave appreciates that.) Soundwave's and Shockwave's rivalry is likely to play out and pay off during "Dark Cybertron".

As an aside, this issue makes me want a good Soundwave toy. The '84 figure is a good representation of the character from the early years, (even if most re-issues use the less display worthy "extended" buttons on the front of the robot). But, the "Fall of Cybertron" figure released last year is just....bad. And, it does not evey look like the comic/game.

Grade" B
B is generous, I thought the storytelling was slapdash and characterization inconsistent. Shockwave is even more out on a limb, and he has so little in the way to offer the story, his one henchman is laughable and his lair full of ore-14 is a dull choice. Soundwave and the minions feels like it's all over the map, and Soundwave is just going along for a ride despite this being his central character motivation being dissected. And the flashbacks just aren't compelling enough, they feel hollow, lacking "why". Oh man, and the art had some real problems, the inking and coloring fucked up bad on pages 18 and 19 that you can actually see the pencil work not cleaned up - and I'm rarely a person to even notice that sort of thing!

It feels like they've sacrificed RID for Dark Cybertron, I can barely remember where we are in the actual story anymore because it's all flashbacks about Shockwave and Soundwave the last few months. I thought I disliked Syndromica, but by comparison that was a joy.
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I don't expect that at all. It may happen, but that's not what this is shaping up to be, it seems more like a convergence of wills and less a planetwide reset.
I mean a reset for the franchise, as in "faction lines are redrawn, dead characters get raised...." The Ore-14 is one of the main reasons for this concern.

It took me a really long time to get to this issue, and I didn't enjoy it much at all. This was painful filler, and the fractured story with Shockwave and Soundwave lacked context and thus impact.
It is an origin story that is meant to set up for a pay-off in "Dark Cybertron". It has to start/be started somewhere. Soundwave spying on Shockwave goes back to Furman's run though.
Soundwave and the minions feels like it's all over the map, and Soundwave is just going along for a ride despite this being his central character motivation being dissected. And the flashbacks just aren't compelling enough, they feel hollow, lacking "why".
What do you mean, "all over the map"? The issue consistently shows the dynamic between them, through the eyes of other characters. The story explains why Soundwave is a Decepticon, and why the minions stick around.

It feels like they've sacrificed RID for Dark Cybertron, I can barely remember where we are in the actual story anymore because it's all flashbacks about Shockwave and Soundwave the last few months.
Every story thread in RiD has been run in to "Dark Cybertron". The Autobots were last seen being approached by Jhiaxus. Starscream's story left him (after incarcerating Scoop) noticing that something was wrong (what the readers know to be Jhiaxus). And, this issue sets up for Shockwave's role (and Soundwave's inevitable opposition to Shockwave's efforts).

That is all perfectly fine.


I am wondering how "Robots in Disguise" will be on the other side of the upcoming event, more on that in the relevant thread.
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Dominic wrote:
I don't expect that at all. It may happen, but that's not what this is shaping up to be, it seems more like a convergence of wills and less a planetwide reset.
I mean a reset for the franchise, as in "faction lines are redrawn, dead characters get raised...." The Ore-14 is one of the main reasons for this concern.
Yeah, I get that, and clearly the dead characters thing is happening (although Ore-14 seems to only work inside a small hole in the ground) but I just am not seeing faction lines redrawing on this.

It took me a really long time to get to this issue, and I didn't enjoy it much at all. This was painful filler, and the fractured story with Shockwave and Soundwave lacked context and thus impact.
It is an origin story that is meant to set up for a pay-off in "Dark Cybertron". It has to start/be started somewhere.
I know, and I didn't like it, it didn't feel like it had a significant place in RID, hence it was filler.
Soundwave and the minions feels like it's all over the map, and Soundwave is just going along for a ride despite this being his central character motivation being dissected. And the flashbacks just aren't compelling enough, they feel hollow, lacking "why".
What do you mean, "all over the map"? The issue consistently shows the dynamic between them, through the eyes of other characters. The story explains why Soundwave is a Decepticon, and why the minions stick around.
I meant Soundwave and his minions', their combined motivations, not their interactions. Their group motivations are all over the map.

It feels like they've sacrificed RID for Dark Cybertron, I can barely remember where we are in the actual story anymore because it's all flashbacks about Shockwave and Soundwave the last few months.
Every story thread in RiD has been run in to "Dark Cybertron". The Autobots were last seen being approached by Jhiaxus. Starscream's story left him (after incarcerating Scoop) noticing that something was wrong (what the readers know to be Jhiaxus). And, this issue sets up for Shockwave's role (and Soundwave's inevitable opposition to Shockwave's efforts).

That is all perfectly fine.
Every story element from RID pre-Dark Cybertron sounds like something starting, and Dark Cybertron so far is not remotely the culmination of that.
I am wondering how "Robots in Disguise" will be on the other side of the upcoming event, more on that in the relevant thread.
This would be the relevant thread for that conversation, not the Dark Cybertron one.
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Yeah, I get that, and clearly the dead characters thing is happening (although Ore-14 seems to only work inside a small hole in the ground) but I just am not seeing faction lines redrawing on this.
We need to see how it plays out.

The dead characters being raised would not redraw faction lines. But, dead characters being raised before said lines get redrawn (for any number of reasons) would more or less set things back to default.

For example, Shockwave could raise Scrapper, Sunstorm, Thrust and Ramjet. A bit of dialogue about "reprogramming Ramjet to be less ambitious" would make Ramjet the character depicted in character profiles and such back in '85.

Then, something could happen to drive most of the cast back to Earth, where Thundercracker has been hanging around since the end of Costa's run. Then, Thundercracker could be revealed to be seeking purpose, and he could find it alongside the newly re-organized Seekers.....

I meant Soundwave and his minions', their combined motivations, not their interactions. Their group motivations are all over the map.
It ties in with things established about pre-war Cybertron. Some characters were subject to worse tyranny because of their alternate modes.

Every story element from RID pre-Dark Cybertron sounds like something starting, and Dark Cybertron so far is not remotely the culmination of that.
Well, it all depends. In theory, IDW could have "Dark Cybertron" resolve with Starscream still in charge of Cybertron. Starscream's difficulties in dealing with whatever aftermath would follow could be fodder for more comics. Granted, I am being optimistic, but you get the idea.

"Dark Cybertron" could also end with Starscream being ousted and Cybertron being left leaderless as the NAILS get the hell back out of town.
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Dominic wrote:Then, something could happen to drive most of the cast back to Earth, where Thundercracker has been hanging around since the end of Costa's run. Then, Thundercracker could be revealed to be seeking purpose, and he could find it alongside the newly re-organized Seekers.....
What makes you think Thundercracker is still on Earth? Last reference I saw to him was that no one had any clue of where he was.
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Sparky Prime wrote:
Dominic wrote:Then, something could happen to drive most of the cast back to Earth, where Thundercracker has been hanging around since the end of Costa's run. Then, Thundercracker could be revealed to be seeking purpose, and he could find it alongside the newly re-organized Seekers.....
What makes you think Thundercracker is still on Earth? Last reference I saw to him was that no one had any clue of where he was.
Maybe that's because he got left on Earth?
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Shockwave wrote:Maybe that's because he got left on Earth?
How do you know for sure? We never actually saw that did we? After all, during the Chaos storyline, Megatron was able to use spacebridge technology to teleport the Decepticons that had been stranded on Earth directly to Cybertron. Even the dead body of Scrapper. So with that in mind, how do we know where Thundercracker is? For all we know he might be on Cybertron, or elsewhere by now.
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Sparky Prime wrote:
Shockwave wrote:Maybe that's because he got left on Earth?
How do you know for sure? We never actually saw that did we? After all, during the Chaos storyline, Megatron was able to use spacebridge technology to teleport the Decepticons that had been stranded on Earth directly to Cybertron. Even the dead body of Scrapper. So with that in mind, how do we know where Thundercracker is? For all we know he might be on Cybertron, or elsewhere by now.
I don't. I was just offering an idea, that's all.
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The last time Thundercracker was seen, he was bunking on Earth. I tend to think that Megatron's teleporting was more a question of rounding up the guys who were going with him more than a question of teleporting all Decepticons. (The remains of Scrapper and the other guys who died on Earth could have easily been recovered and packed up off panel.)
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