Re: Botcon '12 Exclusives
Posted: Mon Jan 09, 2012 1:03 pm
Maybe the framing story does, but the majority of it is a flashback to Kup's earliest outings.
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I would not want a spot in a convention set wasted on a fart joke though.For someone with a well documented love of dick and fart jokes, Dom, you can be awfully humorless sometimes.
The fandom has a significant number of people who get all stupidly excited over "cliche-X, now with Transformer flavour".(Did people really rave that much about Toxitron? I know Scourge here is a bit of a fan of the original unproduced figure, but I didn't really hear much about the Animated Botcon one.)
Full credit and points for "The Ark". But, Sorenson is one of those guys who coasts on minutia, and is praised to hell and back for it.What else has Sorenson done, besides get a tiny joke misinterpreted by David Willis and blown up into a destroying-Animated-for-Dom-forever conspiracy? I honestly haven't really kept up with these things (And as someone with a love of having material compiled and on-hand, you at least owe him thanks for 'The Ark' I and II).
The box set is only part of the full set though.I'll have to ask again what about the 2011 set (and I'm really just talking about the boxed set not all the extra shit they sell at the con) is fannish? And subsequently I'm also curious what you don't like about Animated (again, putting fandom bullshit aside)?
Limited production runs and all. And, remember, at one time, the convention toys were presented as "part of the current line", rather than as a line un to themselves.Anyway, I have never seen the appeal of these sets, and surely don't understand the high pricetags they garner.
What do you think convention exclusives should be used for, then? I'm genuinely curious about this, since it seems 'Make things that fans would like' is apparently not a valid use.Dominic wrote:I would not want a spot in a convention set wasted on a fart joke though.
First of all, it’s not a sourcebook, it’s a guidebook, and I’d say there is a meaningful difference. Sorenson wasn’t a writer or any other sort of canonical authority figure on TFA, and this should be remembered. Second, I wouldn’t say it makes him an asshole. Irresponsible at the worst, but it can hardly be called malicious. I sincerely doubt Sorenson was twirling his mustache while lightning flashed outside, gleefully cackling about how now those foolish Transfans would be arguing for DAYS about which Sideways was which! I think he probably just thought to himself “Oh, some people may get a chuckle out of this.”Full credit and points for "The Ark". But, Sorenson is one of those guys who coasts on minutia, and is praised to hell and back for it.
And, again, (as much as it pains me to say it), Willis was in the right. Sorenson made a self-indulgent joke in a sourcebook. Willis updated the wiki accordingly. Sorenson put something that did not really count in to a god damned sourcebook. Sorenson is a fucking asshole.
Remember when we used to get new characters concepts for BotCon toys that complimented existing collections etc? Yeah, that is right, I am nostalgic for Hallit style exclusives.What do you think convention exclusives should be used for, then? I'm genuinely curious about this, since it seems 'Make things that fans would like' is apparently not a valid use.
I am not going to quibble over the difference between a source book and a guide book.Again: It is a *footnote* on a square of a *board game* regarding a character who never actually showed up *anywhere* written by a guy who didn’t even write the actual show. There is no way that something that meaningless and inconsequential should be enough to ruin an entire series for you to the point that you display the kind of default hatred you do towards a tangentially related BotCon set. Dom, you know I love you, but you’re positively nuts on this one.
Alright, first I need to say that this definition is *precisely* what the ’11 BotCon set is. It’s a set of new (for Animated) characters designed to compliment a series collection many fans had. That’s all it was. No mirror-universe shenanigans, no versions of characters in older, off-screen bodies, no virtually-context-free G2-color scheme nonsense, just a bunch of extra Animated characters that fans could add to their Animated collections. There even was a truly new character included in the form of Toxitron (which you dismiss because, apparently, he’s not srs bzns enough to count). In your own words, this set was exactly what you want from a convention set.Dominic wrote:Remember when we used to get new characters concepts for BotCon toys that complimented existing collections etc? Yeah, that is right, I am nostalgic for Hallit style exclusives.
Both are marketed as official reference guides to a given franchise. Sorenson was writing professionally for Hasbro when he wrote the Almanac. Thus, he did have canonical authority. He added a stupid throw away joke to the Almanac, which is obnoxious enough. Then, he came out and said "oh not really, derp".
All Willis did was make a legitimate change to a wiki page to reflect what was clearly written in an official source. As much as I cannot stand Willis, he did nothing wrong in that case.
I tell you, I almost want it just because of the ducks on his chest. Plus, I just dig that mold in general.138 Scourge wrote:So, now that we've seen the full thing, that Shattered Glass Octopunch sure is underwhelming, huh? Actually, it winds up looking Octopunchier than I'd have thought possible, I'll give it that.