Primal and AirRazor- love in the air ;)

[BWprowl]

At this point, I would say the great-king-daddy of all fanfic inspirations is "Harry Potter".

A few years ago and I would have agreed with you, but I think Twilight's overtaken that now. I'm serious. (Although I don't know exactly how many of those are supposed to be taken seriously, and how many of them are written by absolute trolls. I haven't read any, ever, so.)

I still maintain that Sonic is the king of fanfic. Horrible fanfic. Horrible crossover fanfic.

Fun game to play: Hit up deviantart. Type something relevant to your interest into the search bar. Anything at all. Then add 'sonic' to the query. Hit 'enter' and see what happens.

[Onslaught Six]

The BW fanbase writes more fanfics about Cheetor fucking Blackarachnia or Megatron banging some terrible original character. Or said terrible original character wanting to bang Depth Charge. (I'm probably getting a little too specific.)

And how does this prove BW fans write more fanfics like that than any other TF franchise?

You're not even listening to me. That wasn't my point in the first place. My point is BW fans do more terrible fanfic than any other group I've seen--if not in number, then definitely in terms of how retarded it gets.

When you try to seriously write about 'existing' Transformers having relationships with each other, 'for no reason,' it's really dumb. IMO, Primal wouldn't be with anybody in the BW cast because he *wasn't with anybody in the BW cast.* Maybe he had a wife back home, maybe he didn't, who cares? It's not essential to his character.

Fun game to play: Hit up deviantart. Type something relevant to your interest into the search bar. Anything at all. Then add 'sonic' to the query. Hit 'enter' and see what happens.

I hate you.

[Gomess]

It's the same debate as which Seeker / Insecticon became Cyclonus, but at least more open to discussion and with marginally more relevance to real life. In that regard, I support TF shipping. Not much though. It's just not a romance-enabling franchise.

[Mako Crab]

I think there is a "stuffing the bird" joke here somewhere.

Hahaha!! I heard someone on TFW say that's where flying monkeys come from too

*reads rest of thread*
. . . . Okay, for the record, I'm just going to say that Blackarachnia and Silverbolt, Tigatron and AirRazor, Prime and Elita-1, Botanica and Rattrap, EVERY COUPLE EVER in Transformers history has managed to be a couple on-screen without ever having sex once. A kiss or two between BA and Bolt, but that's it.

[Dominic]

More was strongly implied in "Agenda" part 1 though.

And, if you read the original Blackarachnia card, she was yiffing Maximals to death regularly.

Fun game to play: Hit up deviantart. Type something relevant to your interest into the search bar. Anything at all. Then add 'sonic' to the query. Hit 'enter' and see what happens.

Just tried it. Prowl is on to something.
Now, if we are feeling really brave, add "hentai" and "Nazis".

but at least more open to discussion and with marginally more relevance to real life. In that regard, I support TF shipping.

I would say that shipping is less open to discussion than the Skywarp/Bombshell question. There is less evidence to support shipping in BW beyond the pairs that Crab mentioned. In the case of Skywarp/Bombshell, there is evidence for both, on screen more or less at the same time.


On another note, Gomess, you study the media. Is it just me, or are Western cultures the only ones that really put a high value of ownership of IP? (Count Islamic as Western for this question.)


Dom
-assumes Bombshell.

[Gomess]

I would say that shipping is less open to discussion than the Skywarp/Bombshell question. There is less evidence to support shipping in BW beyond the pairs that Crab mentioned. In the case of Skywarp/Bombshell, there is evidence for both, on screen more or less at the same time.

I think we have different definitions of "open to discussion". I guess what I really meant is that shipping conversations generally last longer. And, personally, I just find discussing character motivations and emotions more interesting than Toei's lazy animation checking.

Is it just me, or are Western cultures the only ones that really put a high value of ownership of IP? (Count Islamic as Western for this question.)

It's hard to generalise, but if you really want to, then you can safely say that any country which has had long-term trade links with the UK or USA is particularly likely to value ownership of intellectual property. France, for example, despite being a decidedly western country, didn't have the same values until quite recently. Previous to that, it was much more like Japan, which can easily be explained away by the fact that Japan has had strong trade links with France (Spain and Portugal too) for many many centuries. Heck, it was the Portuguese who taught samurai how to use guns. But yeah, if you interpret "Western" as "English language", then western cultures are certainly more cagey when it comes to copyright infringement, but countries like France and China are leaning towards that mindset.

Dom
-assumes Bombshell.

BUT IS HE IN LOVE WITH KICKBACK D=

[Dominic]

I guess what I really meant is that shipping conversations generally last longer. And, personally, I just find discussing character motivations and emotions more interesting than Toei's lazy animation checking.

The shipping conversations generally rely on (often deliberate) misreadings of the series though. (One of the more common examples being "Megatron loves Nightbird".) If the actual writers of a series did not ship the characters, there is no need for fans to do so. There may simply not be an emotion or motivation to discuss.

It's hard to generalise, but if you really want to, then you can safely say that any country which has had long-term trade links with the UK or USA is particularly likely to value ownership of intellectual property.

Obviously, it is hard to generalize. Many people would argue that Eastern Europe is more Western than say....the sub-continent or North Africa. But, working in adult ed, I have seen far less plagerism from North Africans than from various Europeans. Truth be told, I have seen more evidence than I am sometimes confortable thinking about that confirms the "criminal Italian" stereotype. (Granted, I have also seen some...odd methods of citation. But, that is a far cry from plagerizing.) Russia is known for all manner of boot-legging and such.

Dom
-still appalled at Prowl's "Sonic" trick. There is definitely a party game to be played with it.

[Gomess]

As mayor of CWCville, I hereby forbid all abuses of copyrighted Sonic characters.

...This thread went to the the pit quickly. See what happens??

[Dominic]

"Sonic the Hedgehog and Toilets" yielded disappointing results.

But, swapping out "Toilets" with "Lady Gaga" yielded some truly awful (even by the standards of the genre) furry art.


Dom
-Prowl stuck *gold* with this one.

[Dominic]

Hah, got a null.

"Sonic the Hedgehog and Albert Speer" brings nothing up.

This means we can not only take comfort in Godwin's law, but that we are also that much further away from Rule 34 Albert Speer. *phew*

That said, yeah, Sonic fan art is pretty bad. It is almost a grotesque parody of "insular fans trying to make their hobby relevant by inserting their hobby into everything". (The problem is that the effort is too earnest to be a parody.)

Dom
-it took some doing...but we broke Prowl's system.