ROTF Review Thread

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BWprowl wrote:Well how are you posing his front legs? If you've got them going straight, more like 'regular' legs, then yeah the look isn't really going to come out (and you'll have that problem you mentioned with his head pointing up). But bend them at the knees, and he levels out. The upper torso winds up positioned more in the center for a bit of centaur feel, and the whole look works better.
I have him bent at the knees and at the hips, even with his torso vertical his head looks a little higher. IMO, with the knees bent it looks like a robot leaning against a similarly-colored chair since they don't share the same type of details, if he could stand on his own I'd just pull the dozer blade off (it does so on its own occasionally). In fact, I just did this, he looks exactly the same except no blade, a regular robot, small for a deluxe, large for a scout, and now he's on his back because he doesn't have feet. The torso keeps dislodging because the design doesn't lock down well and has too many movable parts.

Spider, Centaur? I just don't see it. I kinda see the robot spider thing, but only in a limited fashion. I guess you could have Centaur if you straightened the blade halves back to jackhammer pose, but there's no real connective body between the blade and the real robot, it's still just a robot with too much back kibble being made into legs.
Now, after a bit more fiddle time, I'll concede that this toy does have problems. No elbows still sucks, and the elbow hinges are a bit loose and limited. Also, front legs are limited by the springs in their knee hinges. But frankly, the look and design of the figure appeals to me so much, that I can forgive this. If they make a repaint, I'll probably buy that one too, since it won't be all yellow, which is another admitted problem.
The springs in the knees at least allow some bending, but the hips being linked sucks for me, and the lack of feet means he's forced to lean against that yellow lawnchair. :p I'll concede that the main robot kinda has a look going on that works, but between the limited leg articulation, no feet, the big backpack kibble legs that are necessary to the figure, the unstowable whips (something I didn't mention before, sorry, just so many issues with this guy), the bland colors, the unclear and inaccurate instructions, and the torso piston parts dislodging so easily, this figure is just an interesting-looking mess in my book. I don't know how you can forgive the leg thing over the look considering that big-ass backpack kibble and the laughable jackhammer mode.
I guess this is one of those inexplicable favorites, where I know the toy has tons of issues, but I love it anyway. In that case, it requires the disclaimer that your mileage may differ significantly.
I just don't get it, I can see having a fascination with it because it's so bizarre and left-field and problematic, but loving it? Different strokes for different folks. So, would you recommend it to a general collector audience?
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JediTricks wrote:Different strokes for different folks. So, would you recommend it to a general collector audience?
Honestly no. It'd frustrate the hell out of them.
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JediTricks wrote:
I have noticed plenty of "left a piece out" trouble with toys I have picked up, across several price points.
I don't understand what you mean.
He's talking about budget cuts, and at the same time, referencing Kup. Oh, Dom, you clever bugger.
His elbows are screws, should be reversible from there. But man, this toy sucks ass through a cock straw. So few parts, so little going on even for a Voyager, just lame as shit. Save your money, especially if you're going to piss it away on crap like Rampage, at least that thing has tons of parts and creative failure, Demolishor is lame and bores.
I dunno, something about his utter fail is endearing to me. We'll see.
BWprowl wrote:The internet having this many different words to describe nerdy folks is akin to the whole eskimos/ice situation, I would presume.
People spend so much time worrying about whether a figure is "mint" or not that they never stop to consider other flavours.
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JT, I think I figured out one thing you're doing with your Rampage that's making you like it less. Do you have the panels that his rear legs are attached to connected in the back in robot mode? So both legs just stick straight out the back? Don't do that. Split the panels and splay the legs out to the sides some, then spread the front legs to match, creating more of an 'X' shape with the legs. Brings out the spidery-ness and makes it look better.

Y'know, as much as I disagree with your review, I still have to give you credit for coming up with the phrase 'Sucks ass through a cock straw'. That's simply inspired, and I hope I can use it myself one day.
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Honestly, the Kup reference was wholly accidental. I was just saying that many RotF toys seemed to have bits and such left out.

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Accidental references are awesome.

Movie Funfact: Originally, Hot Rod actually 'did' leave a piece out, and it effectively made Kup double-jointed. This is how they escape the energy holding things the Quintessons have them in. Instead, they just disappear while they're falling.
BWprowl wrote:The internet having this many different words to describe nerdy folks is akin to the whole eskimos/ice situation, I would presume.
People spend so much time worrying about whether a figure is "mint" or not that they never stop to consider other flavours.
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- Dlx Chromia - nice bike, love the stand that has sweet guns integrated in. Transformation has some interesting ideas. Robot mode unfortunately is a failure, just not enough of a whole thing, and certainly not enough of a robot. Not stable either. Mech alive feature is a fantasy in their heads, no such item on here. Too bad, there is potential, just wasn't delivered upon.

- Scout Depthcharge - nifty alt mode, adequate transformation, pretty keen robot mode. Basic bot layout, with decent sculpted detail and a good angled armor look, kibble actually is the lower legs so not really kibble, shoulders have a missile pod. Good articulation too. Attack mode is kinda silly but not necessary. Not standout crazy awesome, but a solid entry.

- Scout Ransack - alt mode looks fabulous, wild, totally cool as a villainous biplane. Transformation is fairly busy and really moves stuff around. Robot mode is skeletal on purpose, looks almost ghostly, pretty cool stuff and well articulated. A little flimsy tho, but not terribly so. Attack mode is nothing. May not be everybody's taste, but quite cool in my book.

Fun Fact: this morning, I was looking over Sideswipe's design in the comic book from botcon, and noticed in the art that the outline of the Corvette twin flags logo appears on his chest. And sure enough, that design is on the toy as well. Nice touch.
BWprowl wrote:Honestly no. It'd frustrate the hell out of them.
I checked out opinions of it on TFW, they seemed to like him too, so I guess there is an audience for it. I do think that this is one of those figures that gets some interest and will turn around with time due to the numerous flaws it suffers.
Onslaught Six wrote:He's talking about budget cuts, and at the same time, referencing Kup. Oh, Dom, you clever bugger.
I see.
I dunno, something about his utter fail is endearing to me. We'll see.
I honestly don't get that. His fail isn't interesting like Rampage's, it's just lazy simplistic design.
BWprowl wrote:JT, I think I figured out one thing you're doing with your Rampage that's making you like it less. Do you have the panels that his rear legs are attached to connected in the back in robot mode? So both legs just stick straight out the back?
I'm afraid you figured wrong, I already was splaying out the legs. I even commented on having to push the legs back to "A" for your centaur mode. There's just no real legs back there in terms of design, it's not an integration, if you pull the dozer blade off he's still the same guy except now he can't stand up - it's basically the robotic equivalent of an old man's walker. They stick out the back a bit, and if you splay them as far as they go to the wides to minimize that (which doesn't go far enough to do so anyway), you end up with a very wide stance in the back that the front can't match.

And it certainly doesn't address his other, non-leg-related flaws.
Y'know, as much as I disagree with your review, I still have to give you credit for coming up with the phrase 'Sucks ass through a cock straw'. That's simply inspired, and I hope I can use it myself one day.
Word! :D
Dominic wrote:Honestly, the Kup reference was wholly accidental. I was just saying that many RotF toys seemed to have bits and such left out.
The ones I've experienced, they took the better design and fused it into a single piece at the mold stage since it used to be integral to the body.
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One second. Demolishor...that's bigass wheel guy, yeah?

Oh, man. That's the only Voyager that's really tempting me right now. The Fallen looks neat in robot mode, but his alt. mode looks just ridiculous, but Demolisher looks like a....screw it, steam-shovel thing in alt. mode, and like bigass wheel guy in robot..I mean, gauging from the back of the box, I haven't gotten either.
Dominic wrote: too many people likely would have enjoyed it as....well a house-elf gang-bang.
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Fallen's altmode is ridiculous because Fallen has no altmode.
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He's part of a pre-Transformer race that has no transformation abilities anyway.
Demolishor turns into an excavator. Or a Scavengerfing, if you prefer. I'm still tempted. We'll see how it goes after the birthday.
BWprowl wrote:The internet having this many different words to describe nerdy folks is akin to the whole eskimos/ice situation, I would presume.
People spend so much time worrying about whether a figure is "mint" or not that they never stop to consider other flavours.
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On Ransack, this morning I figured out a much nicer attack mode, it's a Gerwalk mode and it looks great. Just do the attack mode wings and chest, fold the head in, fold the waist back, and bend the knees forward, it's swank.

Oh, and for regular bot mode, Ransack is packaged with the landing gear "wheels" folded up, they're on hinges, but the instructions don't mention this anywhere, they get in the way of the arms that way, and they allow the propeller to spin which looks bad and will lead to breakage. However, if you follow the instructions and leave them down, maybe fold them out a quarter inch for leg movement, they don't get in the way of the arms and they block the prop from spinning.
138 Scourge wrote:One second. Demolishor...that's bigass wheel guy, yeah?
Yessir.
Oh, man. That's the only Voyager that's really tempting me right now. The Fallen looks neat in robot mode, but his alt. mode looks just ridiculous, but Demolisher looks like a....screw it, steam-shovel thing in alt. mode, and like bigass wheel guy in robot..I mean, gauging from the back of the box, I haven't gotten either.
Demolishor is an Excavator, a large power shovel. And he's not even big in robot mode, it's a SMALL figure for Voyager.

I'd recommend later Voyagers over Demolishor. Long Haul looks nifty. Stratosphere might have charm, though it could be a major flop. Tank Megs could work, I like the sleeker experience than the Leader's design. Even Mixmaster looks better than Demolishor, and Mixmaster looks like it has some ISSUES.

Demolishor is the height of mediocrity. At the very least, wait until DvD reviews it. He's fairly impartial and objective, doesn't fetishize small niche things.
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