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I will check again.

Obviously, the new actress filed the cheese-cake role that Fox did. But, the characters were different enough.

So, what has Fox been up to? Has she been able to find work? (Okay, that was kind of mean.)


Dom
-but seriously, turning down movie money? Wow.

Dominic wrote:Obviously, the new actress filed the cheese-cake role that Fox did. But, the characters were different enough.

I figure the gratuitous butt-shot of Carly at the start of the movie was Bay's way of apologizing for the shot of Tuturro's rear end in the last film.

Dominic wrote:Remember, Prime had 8 Autobots under his command by the time the exile happened. We can assume Jolt and the bikes were killed between movies. But, the twins were in the movie.

We're officially given the number as 'nine Autobots': Optimus, Ratchet, Bumblebee, Sideswipe, Mirage, Wheeljack, Leadfoot, Topspin, and Roadbuster. The Twins aren't counted and thus, aren't there (I've seen the movie twice now, and I never saw them anywhere, though truth be told I wasn't looking too hard).

Agreed. But, I get the feeling the Dylan was more trying more to survive than anything else. I recall him expressing distaste for the Decepticons during the execution scene

Well yeah, he was certainly loyal out of necessity. His specific reason for letting Sentinel transport Cybertron and use humanity as slaves was that he wanted 'forty more years'. And he was expressing distaste for the Decepticons even before the execution scene (Remember his comment that Megatron was 'such a dick'?)

Not like last time, when Sideways and Demolishor get the death sentence for trying to get away from the Autobots that are tying to kill 'em.

They were up to no good. Sideways and Demolishor were the guys making trouble in the neighborhood. Granted, they were taking the night off. But, ya know, they were still bad guys.

You sure about that? What did they do, that was shown, that was so bad (and don't bring up that whole smashing buildings while running away thing, the Autobots cause as much property damage as the Decepticons in these movies)? From what we saw, they were just hiding out, trying not to get their faces sliced off by the Autobots' hunting party. Guys like Wheelie and Jetfire in that movie showed that Decepticons (especially those on the run or in hiding) weren't incapable of legitimately changing sides.

On a completely tangenital note, has anybody noticed Sentinel's package bio. Wow, Hasbro really tried to avoid spoilers with that one......

I mentioned that in my review, *all* of the on-package stuff pertaining to Sentinel is done that way. Even those Stealth Force packs are labeled as 'Bumblebee & Sentinel Prime' rather than the vs packs that all the others are, Hasbro really worked overtime on this one. Of course, there's a 'Dark Sentinel Prime' Commander repaint coming out later, but I guess they're assuming everyone'll have seen the movie by then.

Onslaught Six wrote:I get the impression that the dog's presence was always written in since before Megan Fox left. (Seriously, so much about Carly points to her being a shallow Megan Fox stand-in.)

I noticed this too, particularly the bit about her being hired to manage Dylan's car collection, which would've fit Mikaela's character to a T. The fact that Bonecrusher (the dog) is still around just clinches it.

Onslaught Six wrote:Yeah, but for all we know that's what it looked like on the Cybertron side when it was being sucked to Earth. Truth is, we don't know. And we probably won't ever know.

But we did see some Decepticons jump through a space bridge portal on the moon to get to Earth. They didn't look like they were getting turned inside out for the transit. They just disappeared through one portal and appeared at the next. There's no reason to believe it'd be any different for Cybertron.

Dominic wrote:And, as Skids and Mudflap are briefly seen in the hangar, we can assume they were killed by Sentinel as well.

Since we didn't actually see them in robot mode, we could just as easily assume those were left over vehicles for the twins to (re)scan in the event they took on different alternative modes for a mission. Like they did after they were an icecream truck in ROTF.

Personally, I consider them to have been killed between movies with Jolt since we never see them in DOTM.

Sentinel's reasoning may have been good, (trying to perpetuate his species). But, he also hit Prime pretty hard.

Certainly Sentinel needed to answer for his crimes, but for Optimus to kill an opponent who has been defeated and begging for mercy? That's cold for an Autobot.

I wonder if the Matrix will be used (between movies) to raise some of the dead characters.

I doubt it. Otherwise, why wouldn't he have done so for the characters killed between ROTF and DOTM already? Or Jazz?

I think Sentinel's refusing the Matrix was more a question of him not needing it. He had manpower and resources to complete his plan. And, he may well have been assuming that Prime would have gone along with it once things got underway. (Seninel's motivation was not power. So letting Prime remain leader, in both symbolic and practical terms, would not have been an issue.)

Sentinel had no reason to assume Optimus would go along with the plan, especially given Optimus was still leading the fight against Megatron and the Autobots were working in conjunction with humans, claiming Earth to be their new home. In fact, given Sentinel revealed his betrayal by shooting Ironhide, it's safe to say he knew the Autobots wouldn't support his plan. In which case, why leave an object of such power and symbolism with Optimus? Like I said, I think there was still some good in Sentinel as shown by letting Optimus keep the Matrix.

And I'd argue power was exactly what Sentinel was trying to re-obtain, albeit a different kind of power. Remember how he made the claim they were gods on Cybertron? That's what he was trying to restore.

Onslaught Six wrote:I get the impression that the dog's presence was always written in since before Megan Fox left.

Yeah, I've read that's Michael Bay's dog. Apparently it has a cameo appearance in all of his movies.

BWprowl wrote:We're officially given the number as 'nine Autobots': Optimus, Ratchet, Bumblebee, Sideswipe, Mirage, Wheeljack, Leadfoot, Topspin, and Roadbuster. The Twins aren't counted and thus, aren't there (I've seen the movie twice now, and I never saw them anywhere, though truth be told I wasn't looking too hard).

That number was given after the twins were to have been killed anyway. But I find it interesting Brains and Wheelie weren't included in that count even though they were forced to leave with the Autobots.

Sparky Prime wrote:That number was given after the twins were to have been killed anyway. But I find it interesting Brains and Wheelie weren't included in that count even though they were forced to leave with the Autobots.

Well technically, Wheelie and Brains are Decepticons.

BWprowl wrote:Well technically, Wheelie and Brains are Decepticons.

Wheelie switched sides in ROTF though, so he should still be counted among the Autobots. Brains, I haven't seen any back story on him, but again, he's obviously an ally of the Autobots so he should still be counted among them.

The Twins aren't counted and thus, aren't there (I've seen the movie twice now, and I never saw them anywhere, though truth be told I wasn't looking too hard).

They are seen very briefly in the "return to the hangar" scene. If you miss them there, you can just assume they died before the movie.

The point is that they are dead, and we are all happier for it.

Personally, I consider them to have been killed between movies with Jolt since we never see them in DOTM.

I am holding out hope that there will be a cut scene on the DVD with their deaths. Oh, my, that will be wonderful.

From what we saw, they were just hiding out, trying not to get their faces sliced off by the Autobots' hunting party. Guys like Wheelie and Jetfire in that movie showed that Decepticons (especially those on the run or in hiding) weren't incapable of legitimately changing sides.

Prime's voice over establishes that the Decepticons are up to no good. They might have been taking a day off. But, they had plans to do terrible things. So, yeah, kililng them is fair.

Yeah, I've read that's Michael Bay's dog. Apparently it has a cameo appearance in all of his movies.

Not quite. Bonecrusher is in the second and third movies. (He was not born fo the first movie.) The dog in the first movie was another dog that Bay owned. Unfortunately, Mastiff's are extremely short lived, adn that dog died shortly after the first movie.

Dom
-assumes sloppy editing for Wheelie and Brains.

Dominic wrote:Not quite. Bonecrusher is in the second and third movies. (He was not born fo the first movie.) The dog in the first movie was another dog that Bay owned. Unfortunately, Mastiff's are extremely short lived, adn that dog died shortly after the first movie.

Eh, close enough. It looked like the same dog, and it is still Michael Bay's.

Sparky Prime wrote:

Dominic wrote:Not quite. Bonecrusher is in the second and third movies. (He was not born fo the first movie.) The dog in the first movie was another dog that Bay owned. Unfortunately, Mastiff's are extremely short lived, adn that dog died shortly after the first movie.

Eh, close enough. It looked like the same dog, and it is still Michael Bay's.

Now I'm sad about dog #1...though, I actually don't remember the first dog. I remember Mojo and a second small dog, not a big handsome mastiff like Bonecrusher.

Also: Bonecrusher's an amazing name for what looks like such a friendly animal.

Sounds like Raimi has the "look for this thing" cameo signature figured out better than Bay does. That car of his is clearly never gonna die. Then again, Bay could reasonably get Bonecrusher into a western, so I guess it's about even.

138 Scourge wrote:Now I'm sad about dog #1...though, I actually don't remember the first dog. I remember Mojo and a second small dog, not a big handsome mastiff like Bonecrusher.

I think it was a scene cut from the regular theatrical release but was shown in the IMAX version. Just a short clip of Sam calling his friend to go with him to the lake, while his friend is giving the dog a bath.