Onslaught Six wrote:Yeah, but for all we know that's what it looked like on the Cybertron side when it was being sucked to Earth. Truth is, we don't know. And we probably won't ever know.
But we did see some Decepticons jump through a space bridge portal on the moon to get to Earth. They didn't look like they were getting turned inside out for the transit. They just disappeared through one portal and appeared at the next. There's no reason to believe it'd be any different for Cybertron.
Dominic wrote:And, as Skids and Mudflap are briefly seen in the hangar, we can assume they were killed by Sentinel as well.
Since we didn't actually see them in robot mode, we could just as easily assume those were left over vehicles for the twins to (re)scan in the event they took on different alternative modes for a mission. Like they did after they were an icecream truck in ROTF.
Personally, I consider them to have been killed between movies with Jolt since we never see them in DOTM.
Sentinel's reasoning may have been good, (trying to perpetuate his species). But, he also hit Prime pretty hard.
Certainly Sentinel needed to answer for his crimes, but for Optimus to kill an opponent who has been defeated and begging for mercy? That's cold for an Autobot.
I wonder if the Matrix will be used (between movies) to raise some of the dead characters.
I doubt it. Otherwise, why wouldn't he have done so for the characters killed between ROTF and DOTM already? Or Jazz?
I think Sentinel's refusing the Matrix was more a question of him not needing it. He had manpower and resources to complete his plan. And, he may well have been assuming that Prime would have gone along with it once things got underway. (Seninel's motivation was not power. So letting Prime remain leader, in both symbolic and practical terms, would not have been an issue.)
Sentinel had no reason to assume Optimus would go along with the plan, especially given Optimus was still leading the fight against Megatron and the Autobots were working in conjunction with humans, claiming Earth to be their new home. In fact, given Sentinel revealed his betrayal by shooting Ironhide, it's safe to say he knew the Autobots wouldn't support his plan. In which case, why leave an object of such power and symbolism with Optimus? Like I said, I think there was still some good in Sentinel as shown by letting Optimus keep the Matrix.
And I'd argue power was exactly what Sentinel was trying to re-obtain, albeit a different kind of power. Remember how he made the claim they were gods on Cybertron? That's what he was trying to restore.
Onslaught Six wrote:I get the impression that the dog's presence was always written in since before Megan Fox left.
Yeah, I've read that's Michael Bay's dog. Apparently it has a cameo appearance in all of his movies.
BWprowl wrote:We're officially given the number as 'nine Autobots': Optimus, Ratchet, Bumblebee, Sideswipe, Mirage, Wheeljack, Leadfoot, Topspin, and Roadbuster. The Twins aren't counted and thus, aren't there (I've seen the movie twice now, and I never saw them anywhere, though truth be told I wasn't looking too hard).
That number was given after the twins were to have been killed anyway. But I find it interesting Brains and Wheelie weren't included in that count even though they were forced to leave with the Autobots.