TF Views

Dominic wrote:Actually, you cannot see the sticker face in that panel.

Fine. Not ALL his craptastic glory. Some of it is mercifully hidden by words.

Ursus mellifera wrote:Some of it is mercifully hidden by words.

The great advantage of the early TF comics' writing style.

"SKYWARP would agree! Especially as he teleports fourteen miles and unleashes a barrage of heat-seeking missiles! What say you, THUNDERCRACKER?"

In the cartoon the bots were just on a mission to find new energy sources. The meteor storm was a freak accident that they couldn't have predicted and in no way threatened Cybertron.

I'm with Gomess, fuck BNFs. I can understand fans being authority figures in their fandom if they have made some sort of officially sanctioned contribution (Willis Recordicons comic in the fan club magazine doesn't do it imo). But fans acting like authority figures is nothing short of obnoxious and boring.

As for the names of the ships, I think in the case of the Decepticon's ship fans are so hungry for some sort of official word on the matter that many of them have just latched onto whatever was avialable. Nemesis was named in BW, but there is still some ambiguity as to whether or not it's the same ship seen in the beginning of G1 MTMTE. In the comic, it was just in orbit for a long time and finally destroyed by Megatron in G2.

Screw the Nemesis, anyway. The Decepticons spent more time in their new ship in the cartoon.

And THAT was *definitely* never named.

OH NO WAIT at one point Mirage says, "The ship was FULL"! Yeah, that's the second ship's name! "Full"!!

Gomess wrote:Screw the Nemesis, anyway. The Decepticons spent more time in their new ship in the cartoon.

And THAT was *definitely* never named.

OH NO WAIT at one point Mirage says, "The ship was FULL"! Yeah, that's the second ship's name! "Full"!!

Quiet! You'll give them ideas!

I know this was just an in-joke Mainframe put into the episode, but I thought I'd mention it anyway... While the Nemesis is powering up under water, several lights come on showing some Cybertronian lettering on the Nemesis' hull. You'd expect it to be the name "Nemesis" but it actually spells "Red Dwarf".

Gomess wrote:Screw the Nemesis, anyway. The Decepticons spent more time in their new ship in the cartoon.

And THAT was *definitely* never named.

According to the "Transformers: The Ark - A Complete Compendium Of Transformers Animation Models" reference book, that ship was named Victory.

Sparky Prime wrote:You'd expect it to be the name "Nemesis" but it actually spells "Red Dwarf".

OH HO HO HO Mainframe, YOU GUYS.

Sparky Prime wrote:According to the "Transformers: The Ark - A Complete Compendium Of Transformers Animation Models" reference book, that ship was named Victory.

Pics or it didn't happen, as they say.

...Did they even have time to name the second ship? MTMTE's timeline is a bit screwy, or decompressed to say the least. But regardless, Megatron clearly refers to it as "the space cruiserrrrr!" in the actual broadcast (which should really count as canon) so I'm pretty sure this "Victory" thing was nixed / ignored early on.

...Y'know, the early episodes of G1 must've covered a loooong time, since the Decepticons build the Space Bridge almost immediately after the Full crashes. They may as well not have bothered. Once the Space Bridge was fixed to transport Transformers safely, why didn't the Decepticons just flee through it, leaving a time bomb at the other end? Pfft.

Gomess wrote:Pics or it didn't happen, as they say.

I don't own the book personally. I mentioned it because the TFWiki cites getting a name for that ship from that book.

...Did they even have time to name the second ship? MTMTE's timeline is a bit screwy, or decompressed to say the least. But regardless, Megatron clearly refers to it as "the space cruiserrrrr!" in the actual broadcast (which should really count as canon) so I'm pretty sure this "Victory" thing was nixed / ignored early on.

As you said, the Decepticons spent more time on that ship than the Nemesis. They could have named it after the crash for all we know. And seeing as none of the ships are specifically named in the G1 cartoon, yet the Ark at least was named in the comics, I don't think that means giving it a name was ignored, if only behind the scenes.

Dominic wrote:I suppose it might have been Shooter or Machio that named the ship "the Ark". AUNTIE was some piss poor attempt at whimsy. Good riddance to that name.

I know that the Nemesis showed up in the UK comics. Was it named there?

Doubt it.

Actually, in the cartoon, the Autobots have to knock out some asteroids as well.

Not really. I mean, there's asteroids there, but it's more implied that they just kind of run into it because they're being attacked by Decepticons.

But, I am not sure if Cybertron was off its orbit.

It's never strictly stated that Cybertron was ever in orbit of a star to begin with in the cartoon.

(Searching for energy makes sense, but was not a given reason until "Beast Wars".)

I don't think so, Tim. Exact MTMTE dialogue:

Prowl: "When do we start the search mission?"
Prime: "As soon as you're ready to launch."

If they're not searching for energy, what are they searching for?

-always wondered how Cybertron came off its orbit. I mean, what would it take?

Realistically, probably enough force that they would have destroyed the whole planet before taking it out of orbit.