MP TF's should get released in 2 different toy sizes

[Tigermegatron]

But FOC is the flavor of the moment, the line is meant to bring video game fans into the brand as much as it is to reward TF fans who liked the game, why the fuck would any of them want MP Grimlock at Voyager scale to represent the FOC character?

Deathy likes to pretend that brand divisions just don't exist. To him, FOC Grimlock isn't a specific iteration of a character--it's just A Grimlock.

To be fair, this is also how I sometimes view the brand, but that's because I care less and less about some of the ancillary media being published. I don't care if FOC Grimlock looks anything like Grimlock in FOC--I care that he's a good Grimlock toy.

I bought a few Generations FOC toys already like SDCC Bruticus,FOC Soundwave,Foc Blaster,Foc Grimlock. I'm not a completist with this line,I'm barely interested in 20% of the FOC designed toys. I like the FOC media/toy designs much better than Animated,BM & The movie-Verse TF toys/media.

I honestly think it's a bit ridiculous that Takara/Hasbro for the past few years have been wasting their time & thus far keep failing at make a decent Grimlock toy for classics/Generations. Classics 1.0 Grimlock was a failure because it was too small & the dino mode didn't look T-rex enough. 2009 Animated Voyager Grimlock was a failure due the the design in both modes being a awful Sculpted mis-proportions limbs/parts mess. FOC Grimlock has a robot head that looks nothing like a grimlock robot head,the 1.0 had a better robot head. The robot chest is super chunck/big & ugly sculpted on FOC Grimlock. INSTEAD OF HASBRO/TAKARA WASTING MORE TIME TRYING TO CREATE A DECENT CLASSICS/GENERATIONS GRIMLOCK,ALL THEY GOTTA DO IS DOWN SIZE THE MP GRIMLOCK TO VOYAGER SIZE SCALE TO MAKE THIS DESIGN FIT IN WITH THE CLASSICS/GENERATIONS TOY SCALE.

[Onslaught Six]

& the dino mode didn't look T-rex enough.

He was supposed to be this, though.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr19h ... o1_500.jpg

FOC Grimlock has a robot head that looks nothing like a grimlock robot head

What's not Grimlocky about it? It's got the right shape, the folded faceplate, red visor. It's cool.

[Tigermegatron]

What's not Grimlocky about it? It's got the right shape, the folded faceplate, red visor. It's cool.

I just thought the 1.0 & MP Grimlock Robot head came more closer & was more beautiful sculpted.

For FOC Grimlocks toy,I didn't like the weird sculpted stuff in the dead center of the robot head face plate. it either looks like a nose with vents or partial mouth or tacked on extra face place with vents,either way it's ugly & ruined the head sculpt.

[JediTricks]

How so? I thought the MP Rodimus was already designed with two robot heights, a shorter one for "Hot Rod" and then a taller more mature looking "Rodimus" mode that's the same size as MP 10 Prime? I don't have that figure so I don't know for sure, but I seem to recall online photos showing that.

MP Rodimus was intended to be 2 different heights, but the truth is that the figure grows a quarter inch or so, it's quite arbitrary; thus the Hot Rod interpretation is the same size as, or maybe even slightly taller than, MP-10; it's really scaled to MP-01, check it out size comparison to MP-10 here:
http://s1109.photobucket.com/user/WFCSl ... 0.jpg.html
http://s1109.photobucket.com/user/WFCSl ... 2.jpg.html

I honestly think it's a bit ridiculous that Takara/Hasbro for the past few years have been wasting their time & thus far keep failing at make a decent Grimlock toy for classics/Generations. Classics 1.0 Grimlock was a failure because it was too small & the dino mode didn't look T-rex enough. 2009 Animated Voyager Grimlock was a failure due the the design in both modes being a awful Sculpted mis-proportions limbs/parts mess. FOC Grimlock has a robot head that looks nothing like a grimlock robot head,the 1.0 had a better robot head. The robot chest is super chunck/big & ugly sculpted on FOC Grimlock. INSTEAD OF HASBRO/TAKARA WASTING MORE TIME TRYING TO CREATE A DECENT CLASSICS/GENERATIONS GRIMLOCK,ALL THEY GOTTA DO IS DOWN SIZE THE MP GRIMLOCK TO VOYAGER SIZE SCALE TO MAKE THIS DESIGN FIT IN WITH THE CLASSICS/GENERATIONS TOY SCALE.

That's what the Masterpiece figure is for at its current scale, it's too small to be a good MP-scaled figure being half a head shorter than MP-10, but a great scale to interact with Classics so shrinking it would only make it worse.

& the dino mode didn't look T-rex enough.

He was supposed to be this, though.
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lr19h ... o1_500.jpg

That's fucking stupid, instead of making homages to other brands, they should have concentrated on making an homage to their own brand. If the designer wanted to work for Zoids, then he should have gotten employed at the Zoids division of Tomy instead of making a mediocre Grimlock figure in the Transformers brand.

FOC Grimlock has a robot head that looks nothing like a grimlock robot head

What's not Grimlocky about it? It's got the right shape, the folded faceplate, red visor. It's cool.

I just thought the 1.0 & MP Grimlock Robot head came more closer & was more beautiful sculpted.

Too much hyperbole then, RUINED FOREVER!!!11!

For FOC Grimlocks toy,I didn't like the weird sculpted stuff in the dead center of the robot head face plate. it either looks like a nose with vents or partial mouth or tacked on extra face place with vents,either way it's ugly & ruined the head sculpt.

It's accurate to the game art. You might as well be bitching about no wings too, since it's the same exact flaw. http://tfwiki.net/mediawiki/images2/1/1 ... ck_FOC.png
http://images.wikia.com/transformers/im ... word11.jpg

[Onslaught Six]

That's fucking stupid, instead of making homages to other brands, they should have concentrated on making an homage to their own brand. If the designer wanted to work for Zoids, then he should have gotten employed at the Zoids division of Tomy instead of making a mediocre Grimlock figure in the Transformers brand.

It's not stupid, it's awesome. The T-Rex mode wasn't even why I hated that Grimlock--it was his lackluster robot mode and transformation that ultimately had me get rid of him.

[JediTricks]

That's fucking stupid, instead of making homages to other brands, they should have concentrated on making an homage to their own brand. If the designer wanted to work for Zoids, then he should have gotten employed at the Zoids division of Tomy instead of making a mediocre Grimlock figure in the Transformers brand.

It's not stupid, it's awesome. The T-Rex mode wasn't even why I hated that Grimlock--it was his lackluster robot mode and transformation that ultimately had me get rid of him.

No, it's stupid. It might be awesome in a line that's not an homage to G1, like if Energon or Prime had Grimlock looking like a Zoids Berserk Fury figure, but it's idiotic to do that here. And the function of the robot mode is forced into bad idea territory by the dino mode. That figure is ass thanks to a Zoids reference that had no place being there, the brand manager should never have approved that design for Classics.

[BWprowl]

I agree with JT, Transformers should never have toys that are references or based on other toy lines or series. It's not like reappropriating other designs was how the line got started or anything!

Less facetiously, it's worth noting that the original Classics line was more about 'reinventing' G1 characters as opposed to straight-up remaking them, as guys like Astrotrain, Megatron, and Mirage can attest along with Grimlock. The toy can't be faulted for not looking exactly like Geewun Grims in dino or robot mode because it never set out to do that in the first place.

[JediTricks]

I agree with JT, Transformers should never have toys that are references or based on other toy lines or series. It's not like reappropriating other designs was how the line got started or anything!

Less facetiously, it's worth noting that the original Classics line was more about 'reinventing' G1 characters as opposed to straight-up remaking them, as guys like Astrotrain, Megatron, and Mirage can attest along with Grimlock. The toy can't be faulted for not looking exactly like Geewun Grims in dino or robot mode because it never set out to do that in the first place.

Classics Grimlock sucks, and in large part that's because of what they did with the altmode, and the motivation they had for that particular altmode wasn't true to the expression of that line or Transformers at all. Yes, Classics Megatron is based on the Nerf N-Strike Maverick Rev-6, but at the end of the day it's not holding the figure back from looking like Megatron in alt mode (except in colors and that's due to our trigger-happy society shooting each other too much, kids shooting cops with guns they shouldn't have, and then cops shooting kids who hold anything remotely resembling a gun).

[Onslaught Six]

I disagree--what holds Grims back is his crappy transformation, which isn't at all forced from his beast mode. They could have easily had him transform in a more traditional Grimlock fashion, and used his tail to become his legs, but they opted to make it a crappy tail weapon instead. There was a lot of bad things about Grimlock, but his beast mode isn't one of them. Doom-Lock isn't held back by being Godzilla '98, the same way Grimlock isn't held back by being a Berserk Fuhrer.

[Tigermegatron]

I disagree--what holds Grims back is his crappy transformation, which isn't at all forced from his beast mode. They could have easily had him transform in a more traditional Grimlock fashion, and used his tail to become his legs, but they opted to make it a crappy tail weapon instead. There was a lot of bad things about Grimlock, but his beast mode isn't one of them. Doom-Lock isn't held back by being Godzilla '98, the same way Grimlock isn't held back by being a Berserk Fuhrer.

I find it sad/funny,that Takara/Hasbro has created so many new molds Grimlocks (1988 Pretender grimlock,Energon Grimlock,1.0 Grimlock, animated Grimlock,FOC Grimlock,mp grimlock) after the 1985 toy & the only one that's decent is the MP Grimlock toy.

I honestly think the 1.0 Grimlock has a better looking Robot mode that is more beautifully sculpted & better proportioned than the FOC Grimlock robot mode. While I think the FOC Grimlock has a better looking dino mode compared to the 1.0 Grimlock dino mode.

I think the Problem with FOC Grimlock's robot mode looking so awful in the over sized ugly sculpted chest & ugly robot head comes from homage ideas borrowed from the TFA 2008 Voyager Grimlock toy.