Star Trek

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Not necessarily. On screen sure, but there have often been other Star Trek media stories that have gone back and visited those alternate timelines as if they still carried on even after the episode ended. I've read books and comics that have at least partially taken place in the "Yesterday's Enterprise" universe where Starfleet is still at war with the Klingons.

None of the books or comics are considered to be part of canon though, with the exception of Jeri Taylor's 'Mosaic' and 'Pathways' according to StarTrek.com's description of the canon.

I will concede that this is most likely what the writers intend for us to believe. We're supposed to think everything's either back to normal or put right the way it should be. But, I do not believe this is how it would actually work. I think that in addition to parallel universes existing on their own that time travel would also cause parallel universes. So, in "Yesterday's Enterprise" we're supposed to believe that the universe we're seeing at the end is restored back to the same one we were watching at the beginning of the episode (in spite of the small continuity error at the end). But, I think what would really happen is that we actually wind up in a situation where the universe we're watching after that is not the same one we started with because Picard sent Tasha back, thus causing a 3rd universe like JT has been suggesting all along (and again, just for the record, I do not think this is what the writers want us to believe).

It's impossible to say how it would actually work considering this is all based on theories to begin with. The only thing we can take from the episodes here is how the episodes themselves portrays it. And they do no show the creation of parallel universes, just timelines overwriting a timeline that has been altered. It's that simple.

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Now this I totally agree with.

[Sparky Prime]

I thought these were pretty funny, figured I'd share them.

Honest Trailers Star Trek (2009)
Honest Trailers Star Trek Into Darkness

[Sparky Prime]

Star Trek is returning to television.

CBS is developing a new Star Trek series aimed to debut in January 2017. The premiere special will air on CBS, with all subsequent episodes available on the network's digital streaming service CBS All Access exclusively in the United States. CBS will distribute the show internationally through partner networks.

Star Trek and Star Trek Into Darkness co-writer Alex Kurtzman will serve as executive producer for the new series, which will be based on new ideas and characters not tied directly to the recent movies.

[andersonh1]

It's worth checking out. I won't pay for CBS access service to watch it though. I'll wait until it's out on some physical platform. I'd prefer a series set in the original continuity, but we may be out of luck on that count.

[Sparky Prime]

Yeah, I'd prefer a series set in the original continuity as well, but I'd have to think they're planning on setting this is the reboot continuity, especially with Kurtzman as the executive producer. I'm not sure about the steaming, but I really don't want to pay for a service just to be able to watch 1 show.

[JediTricks]

I wonder if the medium will kill it before anything, this is like Yahoo Screen except they want money. If it's a non-starter, it'll have 8 episodes and fold. Kurtzman has his fingers in so many pies he won't even mind, and I'm not sure I trust him to show-run Trek in any form after he co-wrote New Coke Trek and Into Dumbness.

[Onslaught Six]

It's worth checking out. I won't pay for CBS access service to watch it though. I'll wait until it's out on some physical platform. I'd prefer a series set in the original continuity, but we may be out of luck on that count.

This is it, man. It's dead before it ever begins if it's stuck on this platform no one will watch it on. And worse, it'll be attributed to "No one wants to see Star Trek," instead of "No one wants to pay for CBS Netflix."

[andersonh1]

On the topic of original Trek series, I just finished a Deep Space Nine marathon a few weeks ago, and have since moved on to Voyager. I've actually watched DS9 all the way through three times now: on original transmission, about six years ago when I started buying the season box sets, and then this past year. It's like a good novel or novel series that's worth revisiting from time to time. The first time has the advantage of not knowing where all the characters will end up, while re-viewings let us look at characters where they started and comment on how far they grow and develop, as well as noting milestones along the way. Maybe in another six, seven or eight years down the road when I have a big screen tv with surround sound or something I'll watch the series again and see it in better detail.

Voyager is a show that has definitely grown on me. Despite not liking the show or the characters when it first aired, I may prefer it to TNG these days. Yes, I know it's heresy to say that! We've just about finished season 1, and it's so obvious in hindsight how they pulled the rug out from under Chakotay's character by ditching the Starfleet/Maquis conflict after the first season, because Chakotay's whole purpose is to be the guy who keeps the peace while looking out for "his people". The holographic Doctor hasn't become the center of the show yet, which gives other characters room to develop. And I still wish they'd ditched Harry Kim instead of Kes, but maybe they just wanted to replace one blonde female cast member with another.

By the way, did anyone see that news story recently where Jennifer Lien was arrested for indecent exposure? Seems like she's got a record of domestic abuse too. It's sad, and I wouldn't even have recognized her from the mugshot on the news article.

I'd love to see a Trek series pick up about 15-20 years after Voyager returned and tell us what the original timeline looks like these days.

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On the topic of original Trek series, I just finished a Deep Space Nine marathon a few weeks ago, and have since moved on to Voyager. I've actually watched DS9 all the way through three times now: on original transmission, about six years ago when I started buying the season box sets, and then this past year. It's like a good novel or novel series that's worth revisiting from time to time. The first time has the advantage of not knowing where all the characters will end up, while re-viewings let us look at characters where they started and comment on how far they grow and develop, as well as noting milestones along the way. Maybe in another six, seven or eight years down the road when I have a big screen tv with surround sound or something I'll watch the series again and see it in better detail.

Voyager is a show that has definitely grown on me. Despite not liking the show or the characters when it first aired, I may prefer it to TNG these days. Yes, I know it's heresy to say that! We've just about finished season 1, and it's so obvious in hindsight how they pulled the rug out from under Chakotay's character by ditching the Starfleet/Maquis conflict after the first season, because Chakotay's whole purpose is to be the guy who keeps the peace while looking out for "his people". The holographic Doctor hasn't become the center of the show yet, which gives other characters room to develop. And I still wish they'd ditched Harry Kim instead of Kes, but maybe they just wanted to replace one blonde female cast member with another.

By the way, did anyone see that news story recently where Jennifer Lien was arrested for indecent exposure? Seems like she's got a record of domestic abuse too. It's sad, and I wouldn't even have recognized her from the mugshot on the news article.

I'd love to see a Trek series pick up about 15-20 years after Voyager returned and tell us what the original timeline looks like these days.

I saw that article too. Trippy. I also recently went through a DS9/VOY marathon on Netflix. I was always glad they got rid of Kes, her character was just so boring and was what I think of as a "kitchen sink" character. Basically they throw every weird thing they can including the kitchen sink onto her because aliens. The episode "Elogium" is the worst offender, detailing an Ocampa reproductive cycle that sounds like a biological Rube-Goldberg machine on crack.

[JediTricks]

So now the word is that the new Trek show will be for the "MTV crowd", and by that they mean the young people -- despite the phrase "MTV crowd" referring to those now in their 40s. So a faster-paced, shallow show starring a young cast. And they expect those youngsters to cough up $6 a month for that shit. Good luck, chumps.


Thursday was the 9th group viewing of Trek that I've been cultivating, we've started adding new shows to the mix - Babylon 5, Futurama, and now classic BSG - but the focus is still Trek. This week's included 3 DS9s (The Jem'Hadar, The Search 1, and The Search 2 - meeting the Vorta, Jem'Hadar, Dominion, Changlings, and Founders all in one swoop), since I've been leaning heavily on TNG and don't want to run out too soon; plus I needed to get the newbies up to speed on the Dominion War because without that knowledge the serialization makes no damned sense. I also included an early 7 of 9 episode, The Raven.

I've found that DS9 wasn't holding up that well on repeat viewing probably because I was stuck using only season 1 and 2 episodes for the most part (I had a later season Halloween episode, but it was a narrow-scope one). Voyager has been mostly crumbling due to Harry Kim and Chakotay along with just bad scripts and bad producing, but there's still some interest. Enterprise, the response has been uneven, a good episode generated demand but a bad episode generated downright hatred, and a middling episode during season 3 exposed how shoddy the producers were, repeating the same tone problems as Voyager. TNG and TOS are holding up very well, TAS has a lot of love as well. Babylon 5's sole episode (the first one with Walter Koenig) went over pretty well. BSG was so cheesy and silly but it developed a ton of conversation about the reboot, and about the '70s Buck Rogers.

During The Search, I was so happy when the Defiant showed up, but in the episode it's utterly useless and gets a really stupid story element where it's just "there" not being picked apart or anything, I hadn't remembered it faring so badly or having the writers just give up and allow a dumb plot hole to materialize.