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My mom picked up Superman/Tarzan today on a laff, that should prove worthy of ridicule (but we knew that spending the $10).
Dom wrote:I think you just put way more thought in to it than DC did. And, even if you are completely right, the armour still looks stupid.
Not false.
Did anybody who did not read comics care about "Crisis on Infinite Earths" though?
Definitely, it made big news, people really reacted quite strongly at the time to what was being done. Secret Wars also had a bit of a significant impact back then, but COIE came in and delivered real changes, it had big impact.
The armour might make sense. (Even Superman might need it against some opponents. The problem is that DC is trying to push it as a cool new thing and it looks like something that a 14 year old would come up with and feel vaguely ashamed of after the fact.
Bah, it's super-armor then, not super-man.
Superman does hide though. His Fortress of Solitude and his secret identity are as much about giving him breathing room as they are about protecting his friends and family. (Post-Crisis, it was shown that Superman maintained the Clark Kent identity to give himself grounding as much as anything else.)
First off, what, he shouldn't have a place to hang out? He's not hiding the fortress, he's just got it locked up nice and tight. Second, Lois & Clark actually said it really well, Superman is what he can do, Clark Kent is who he is.
The "feared and hated" schtick is one of my least favourite things about Marvel as a whole. I do not expect every character to be loved by those around hm. But, damn. To paraphrase the old saw about the difference between Marvel and DC: DC characters act like grown-ups. Marvel characters sit in their rooms listening to Kurt Cobain while cutting themselves and writing poetry.
I disagree, DC characters act like 2-dimensional "adults" as seen through the eyes of young teens; Marvel characters act like older teens who haven't gotten all their heads together just yet. Which is more like real life? I'll give you a hint, I know a lot of adults and very few of them actually have their shit together. High school is forever, mostly.
Sales in the 90s were high. (Yes, they were artifically high. But, they were also verifiably high.) Warner Brothers and Disney look at those numbers, and are driving the comics to be more like they were in the 1990s.

Yes, the logic would be flawed if this theory proves to be true. But, it is also comprehensibly flawed.
Theory comes from the '70s or '80s, and in fact evidence comes from the '60s in the form of Jim Shooter's teenage run on LOSH.

Sparky wrote:Basing it off the story of the "Flashpoint" comic itself, of course. While I fully expect the movie to be a bit different from the comic, the general story should still be pretty similar.
DC animated features come in a lot of flavors, most of them aren't terribly accurate to the comics - Crisis on Two Earths is an example, Superman/Doomsday another - but some stick closer too I suppose: All-Star Superman, Batman Year One (slavish to the book to the point of hurting for it, then they change some of the ending for no reason to make everybody stupider). Anyway, we'll see if the ending really matters or is just more animated cop-outery.

Anderson wrote:Adventures of Superman #2
Welcome back, Superman. You've been missed.

This is the second issue collecting the digital-first Superman series, and like the first, it contains three different stories. And by and large they're an improvement on last issue. It's got to be difficult to tell anything other than a bare-bones story in 10 pages, but we get a little more depth this time around than last time. And Superman is treated in a couple of these stories as a legend, as someone larger than life who people look up to and remember long after he's gone. There's a very Silver Age feel to the writing and format, though it's all done with a modern sensibility.

The first story features a man who keeps appearing everywhere that Superman goes and knows all about him, with one of those fun explanations at the end that demonstrate Superman being remembered long after his time. I can see Grant Morrison writing a story like this. The second story has Clark and Lois competing for a story and betting on the outcome, only for Clark to face problem after problem as Superman, leaving him racing to win the bet. The final story covers a lot of ground in the few pages available to it, and has a nice twist ending with another Kryptonian and a tough decision for Superman. Each story has a different author and set of artists of course.

This is a really fun comic, and if you want your classic Superman fix every month (red trunks and all), this is the book for you. If you just don't recognize the New 52 character at all, this book will solve that problem since it's very much the Superman I read for years.
Thanks for the advice, my mom and I were leaving the comic shop talking about the need for something like this, "classic supes", I'll point her towards it.
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JediTricks wrote:
Superman does hide though. His Fortress of Solitude and his secret identity are as much about giving him breathing room as they are about protecting his friends and family. (Post-Crisis, it was shown that Superman maintained the Clark Kent identity to give himself grounding as much as anything else.)
First off, what, he shouldn't have a place to hang out? He's not hiding the fortress, he's just got it locked up nice and tight. Second, Lois & Clark actually said it really well, Superman is what he can do, Clark Kent is who he is.
I'd point out the Fortress of Solitude is located in one of the least accessible and least hospitable climates on Earth. And only a handful of people know about it. All-in-all, it is well enough hidden away from the rest of the world.
DC animated features come in a lot of flavors, most of them aren't terribly accurate to the comics - Crisis on Two Earths is an example, Superman/Doomsday another - but some stick closer too I suppose: All-Star Superman, Batman Year One (slavish to the book to the point of hurting for it, then they change some of the ending for no reason to make everybody stupider). Anyway, we'll see if the ending really matters or is just more animated cop-outery.
Crisis on Two Earths and Superman/Doomsday are supposed to be much looser adaptations of the stories they are based on in order to make them more compact for the purposes of turning them into a movie though, while All-Star Superman and Batman Year One were originally told in a mini-series format making them a lot easier to adapt directly. Flashpoint was told as a mini-series. I figure they will change some things, but by the looks of it so far, it looks like it'll be pretty close to the comic.
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Thanks for the advice, my mom and I were leaving the comic shop talking about the need for something like this, "classic supes", I'll point her towards it.
This is the same series that, at one point, was going to have an Orson Scott Card story in it. Last I heard, though, that got shelved because the artist quit (for obvious reasons?) and they were still looking for a new one. (I wouldn't put it past DC to have quietly found one and published it without fanfare, though.)
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Onslaught Six wrote:This is the same series that, at one point, was going to have an Orson Scott Card story in it. Last I heard, though, that got shelved because the artist quit (for obvious reasons?) and they were still looking for a new one. (I wouldn't put it past DC to have quietly found one and published it without fanfare, though.)
Chris Sprouse quit, so he says, because he wanted to avoid the controversy.

I think Rich Johnston gives one of the few measured responses to this whole situation:
http://www.bleedingcool.com/2013/02/07/ ... -go-again/
I’ve been approached by those who wish me to promote a new boycott, with the aim of getting DC Comics to fire Card off the book and for his story to be dropped.

I think that’s wrong.

There are a number of comic book creators who believe something very different to what I do. Some of those beliefs offend me. Sometimes they even inform their art, something that Card is unlikely to be accused of in Superman.

Some try to draw a line between an opinionated person and an activist. I disagree, any famous person who expresses an opinion, especially in this day and age, de facto becomes an activist for that opinion.

It’s a very dangerous game, it has led in the past to witchtrials, McCarthyite or otherwise, and it’s no better than the actions of, say, One Million Moms. And next time? It could be you…
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I will never forgive Card for the last 20 pages of "Ender's Game". He undermines the whole premise of the book to indulge in some foo-foo-tastic universalist bull-shit. (As it turns out, the horrible aliens who were so different from humanity that we could not even comprehend them.....were just like people after-all?!?!?!?)

So, yeah, his bat-shit craziness does impact his writing.


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Sparky Prime wrote:I'd point out the Fortress of Solitude is located in one of the least accessible and least hospitable climates on Earth. And only a handful of people know about it. All-in-all, it is well enough hidden away from the rest of the world.
Having one's own personal space does not constitute hiding.
Crisis on Two Earths and Superman/Doomsday are supposed to be much looser adaptations of the stories they are based on in order to make them more compact for the purposes of turning them into a movie though, while All-Star Superman and Batman Year One were originally told in a mini-series format making them a lot easier to adapt directly. Flashpoint was told as a mini-series. I figure they will change some things, but by the looks of it so far, it looks like it'll be pretty close to the comic.
We'll see.
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JediTricks wrote:Having one's own personal space does not constitute hiding.
No, but having it located in the most inhospitable climate on the planet that hardly anyone can get to in the first place does.
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Sparky Prime wrote:No, but having it located in the most inhospitable climate on the planet that hardly anyone can get to in the first place does.
I might be wrong on this, but I thought in most versions of the Superman story, he wasn't the one who chose to put the Fortress of Solitude where it was? Wasn't it like a ship that crashed there, or crystals that were seeded, or something?

This makes me realize something I'm not sure of: Does Superman *only* live in the Fortress? I mean, does 'Clark Kent' have his own apartment or house or something, and he just runs off to the Fortress for weekends or when he's on vacation or whatever? Or is the Fortress where he does all his sleeping and eating and watching TV and what-have-you?
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BWprowl wrote:I might be wrong on this, but I thought in most versions of the Superman story, he wasn't the one who chose to put the Fortress of Solitude where it was? Wasn't it like a ship that crashed there, or crystals that were seeded, or something?
Most versions of the Fortress' origins I can think of, Superman chose the location for himself, he just had a Kryptonian crystal from his ship or something that he used to build it for him. And there are other versions that has Superman build it for himself.
This makes me realize something I'm not sure of: Does Superman *only* live in the Fortress? I mean, does 'Clark Kent' have his own apartment or house or something, and he just runs off to the Fortress for weekends or when he's on vacation or whatever? Or is the Fortress where he does all his sleeping and eating and watching TV and what-have-you?
Yeah, Clark Kent has his own apartment that he usually lives at in Metropolis. The Fortress acts more like Superman's secret headquarters. But to anyone he brings to the Fortress, that doesn't know his secret identity, they are supposed to believe it's Superman's house.
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Green Lantern #22
I'm still debating the question of whether or not an attack by Larfleeze on Oa really needs two issues in which to tell the story. A lot of significant incidents take place in this issue, but the story feels like it barely moves. So, a few thoughts:
- I'm not a big fan of Larfleeze. He's a very one-note character, obviously. He's a greedy idiot with massive amounts of power and not enough intelligence to really use it effectively. I just saw the animated episode featuring him last night, and it's quite a contrast watching that toned down version of the character with the one seen in this issue, who has no problem killing Green Lanterns or Star Sapphires. So stretching a story with a plot that consists of "Larfleeze attacks Oa" over multiple issues seems like a bit much.
- We get some of the Geoff Johns rainbow corps members in this issue, and we also get some very Johns-ish violence as the poor random unnamed Star Sapphire gets ripped in half by Larfleeze's creations. At least the blood and gore isn't shown in loving detail. It does happen off-panel, and Hal has the decency to mention contacting the Star Sapphires to return the body. That's a nice, real-world bit of detail in an otherwise fantasy setting, and I'm glad it was included.
- I knew the alien in the cell was going to kill that poor, naive Green Lantern guarding her. So she's now the latest Star Sapphire. Should be interesting to see what happens to the character.
- And of course, all the lantern power cutting out is highly significant, and no doubt will lead up to the "Lights Out" crossover.
- Nice to see Salaak out in the field again instead of behind a desk.

It's not a bad issue. It's got a number of nice touches and a lot of little character touches and moments. I think it's just a case of the A-plot (Larfleeze's attack) existing not for its own sake, but as a backdrop for all the other things that happen in this issue and the last. So the whole thing feels a little slight when it really isn't.

X-Men #1
I didn't leave DC, DC left me (to steal and paraphrase the quote). So I'm still sampling comics I don't normally read or haven't read, and with some trepidation I decided to dive into the X-Men universe. This particular book, which is just one of many from what I saw on shelves, features an all female X-Men team (X-Women?). I only know about the characters from the movies, having never read the books before, and the author doesn't really give a lot of exposition about who they are or what they can do, leaving me to rely on context and the live-action characters. Despite being a first issue, this isn't really new-reader friendly. It does assume some knowledge of the characters and their situation.

The villain is just bizarre. That's fine, nothing wrong with that, and I wonder if a billions of years old sentient bacteria that takes human form is a Grant Morrison concept? I don't know, and even for a comic-book, that kind of premise is a hard sell. So Sublime, the human bacteria, is apparently an old enemy of the X-Men, and it turns out that he has a sister. Who he's scared to death of, and who invades and controls machines the same way this guy controls bodies. It's the old enemy team-up idea, as Sublime wants the X-Men to stop her.

Okay, the art's very good, the concept is off-the-wall, and there's clearly a lot of history here. I'll probably stick with the book for a storyline or two just to try and get a better feel for the characters and the series in general. And is it just me, or does Marvel have a lot more books at the $4 price point than DC? Seems like it.
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