Shockwave wrote:Yes, I was referring to the one of him contemplating joining the dark side. It was filler. He's going to be Darth Vader, we already know what choice he's going to make, watching sitting around moping about it for three minutes added nothing to the film.
That's not filler. That's an important moment where he's considering a life altering decision. It shows the inner turmoil he's going through. It's not something that should be skipped because we as the audience already know what he's going to choose. That would make it seem like it was an easy decision for him, when clearly by showing that scene, we know it wasn't.
Things were implied in ANH that it was more of a gradual change to that rather than "got fucked up once and was immediately an evil cyborg".
Before RotS came out I'd always heard he became a cyborg after he fell into a volcano... I don't recall anything in ANH implying otherwise.
ANH and ESB both imply that Yoda and Obi Wan had a master/apprentice thing much like what is shown to happen on the Sith side where's there's paired groups of two. Instead, we're shown that it's more like one ginormous Jedi academy where they all just learn from whoever and instead of seeing the master/apprentice relationship with Yoda and Obi Wan we get... Qui Gon Jinn?
The Jedi might have an academy but we see they don't just learn from whoever. Similar to the Sith, they pair up a Master and a Padawan learner for a majority of their training. The Jedi just don't restrict their numbers like the Sith's rule of two.
And after Qui Gon's death, we see Obi Wan often goes to Yoda for advice. Obi Wan might see Yoda as sort of a replacement Master for Qui Gon, especially once they are the only two known Jedi left alive after the purge. That and Yoda tells him at the end of RotS he has some training from him so he can commune with Qui Gon's spirit. Plus we find out Yoda trained Count Dooku who in turn trained Qui Gon, so Obi Wan's instruction is within the same line as Yoda's teaching.
Obi Wan also states that he took Anakin as his apprentice because he thought he could do as well as Yoda as a master but instead it's shown more like it was forced onto him by the Jedi counsel.
Remember, it was the Jedi Council that refused to let Anakin join when Qui Gon asked them. It was really Obi Wan forcing them to let Anakin become a Jedi, saying he'd train him either way.
Although it still doesn't really make sense for Obi Wan to say he thought he could do as well as Yoda when Yoda's own Padawan (Dooku) ended up turning to the Dark Side... That I might call a tiny plot hole (but still not the Leia remembering Padme thing since they practically explain it away in the movie as it is).
and excuse me, but did the Separatists like Nute Gunray not fucking notice that Darth Vader was the same fucking guy they were trying to kill in an arena in the previous movie?
Vader's hood was covering most of his face the entire time... And I don't think Gunray really cared who he was when he started murdering them seconds after arriving...
