Re-Generation One (IDW retro G1)

[andersonh1]

I've got the last two issues, but have only read half of 92 and haven't read 93 yet at all. Mainly because I've been reading other things, but I'll get back to these sooner or later. It's like I mentioned in the RID thread, I'm in a bit of a Transformers fiction slump at the moment for whatever reason, but I do want to know what happens eventually.

[BWprowl]

-G1 toy
-Fall of/War for Cybertron
-Classics (Legends class) toy.
-Animated
-Marvel G2
-modern IDW (Roche style)
-BT/Alternator
-Animated
-"Energon" Rodimus
-"Armada" PLX Hotshot

(That last two are problematic, and are likely to be the source of much discussion and confusion when this issue is discussed.)

How so? Given that Hot Shot has about as much in common with Hot Rod as some of the other characters on that page, including his color scheme, attitude, and general idea of receiving the Matrix, I'd say it fits. He was even named 'Hot Rod' in Japan (incidentally, the WfC version was actually named 'Hot Shot'). Energon Rodimus is even less confusing, he's pretty clearly an alternate version/homage to Rodimus Prime. I've no idea what you're on about with these, Dom.

There is also one that looks like Rodimus combined with Power Master Prime

It's apparently a cancelled Japanese Return of Convoy toy.

[Dominic]

Both "Armada" Hot Shot and "Energon" Rodimus are from the UT.

If Hotshot is the Hot Rod of the "Unicron Trilogy", that is well and good.....right up until "Energon" Rodimus shows up.

It Hotshot is the Hot Rod of the "Unicron Trilogy", then who the hell is "Energon" Rodimus? It effectively means that the UT has two of the same guy.

(What likely really happened is that Wildman was drawing in alternate Hot Rods, and used both the "Armada" Hot Shot and "Energon" Rodimus character models, not knowing that they were two different characters from the same place. This kind of sloppiness is more glaring post Beast Era and UT.)

[Onslaught Six]

If Hotshot is the Hot Rod of the "Unicron Trilogy", that is well and good.....right up until "Energon" Rodimus shows up.

It Hotshot is the Hot Rod of the "Unicron Trilogy", then who the hell is "Energon" Rodimus? It effectively means that the UT has two of the same guy.

Spoilers: There are two versions of ArmEnerTron, an American one and a Japanese one. Perhaps that's the Japanese Hot Rod, and the American Rodimus.

Besides, dude, there's Rodimuses there that literally do not exist in any form of fiction published (Legends Rodimus, cancelled Return of Convoy Rodimus). You think there's not an alternate universe out there that one of them is from?

(I will also note that, for whatever reason, Hot Shot/Rod is coloured like Powerlinx Hot Shot.)

[Shockwave]

I'm surprised Side Burn from RID isn't in there since he was essentially RID's "Hot Rod". Of course, that is made problematic in Fun Pub but...

[andersonh1]

issue 93

There is no self-contained story in this issue. Basically it's a series of various character arcs we've seen building up to this point, with Bludgeon, Soundwave, Ultra Magnus, Galvatron, Starscream, Hot Rod and Ultra Magnus all getting some good scenes in storylines that are just starting to all come together. And we continue to get some late-G1 character cameos as Wingthing gets a panel or two and a namecheck. Took me a few minutes to remember who he was! There's a flashback to Klo from issue #80 of the original series as Bludgeon contemplates his death, and Galvatron finally reaches Cybertron. Poor Cosmos, he's no match for Warworld. Hot Rod finally reaches Primus and there's a fun panel where he sees multiple versions of himself, including the Micromaster, Alternators and Animated models, along with quite a few others.

A lot happens, but as I said, it's a series of incidents rather than a self-contained story. Good stuff, but hard to summarize.

[Onslaught Six]

I'm surprised Side Burn from RID isn't in there since he was essentially RID's "Hot Rod". Of course, that is made problematic in Fun Pub but...

I'm not--Side Burn isn't named Hot Rod or Rodimus at any point, which is, I think, the important part of the image. (Side Burn is also never really "groomed for leadership," the way every Hot Rod/Rodimus is--if there's anyone in RID who that was, it was Wedge from the Build Team.)

[Dominic]

Ah, but Fun Publications is assuming that Hot Rod and Sideburn co-exist in "Wings of Honor", which would make it awkward for them both to be counterparts of Marvel US/UK Hot Rod, similar to the problem of Hot Shot and "Energon" Rodimus co-existing in the "Unicron Trilogy" and being counterparts of the same guy.

Yeah, there are all kinds of meta- and/or back-written explanations that could be offered. At least one of them is likely to become official at some point. But, the easiest explanation is that Wildman, Furman and/or Tokar screwed up.

Poor Cosmos, he's no match for Warworld.

Cosmos' first confirmed/depicted death....anywhere I think. He was shown crashing in season 3 of the cartoon. But, it did not look too bad. And, he was mentioned as being off-line in the early parts of Furman's US run (though the incident leading to that was never clearly shown).


-Death trackin' Dom.....

[BWprowl]

I'm not--Side Burn isn't named Hot Rod or Rodimus at any point, which is, I think, the important part of the image. (Side Burn is also never really "groomed for leadership," the way every Hot Rod/Rodimus is--if there's anyone in RID who that was, it was Wedge from the Build Team.)

Yeah, you might as well throw Cheetor in at that rate.

(I will also note that, for whatever reason, Hot Shot/Rod is coloured like Powerlinx Hot Shot.)

To make the homage more apparent, so he visually fits with the group better.

Yeah, there are all kinds of meta- and/or back-written explanations that could be offered. At least one of them is likely to become official at some point. But, the easiest explanation is that Wildman, Furman and/or Tokar screwed up.

I don't know how it counts as a 'screw up', given that the parameters for the scene were likely 'Draw every Hot Rod homage you can think of', I'd say they succeeded well.

Also, Guidi drew this one, not Wildman.

[Shockwave]

I'm with Dom on this one, Because of Energon Rodimus, Hot Shot belongs there as much as Side Burn or Cheetor. I also don't recall anywhere where Hot Shot was being groomed for leadership, but I missed a LOT of Armada.