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Shockwave wrote:God damn it Sparky, come on, you know damned well that there are people out there that are over the top batshit crazy and that some people react irrationally. Those are the people that Prowl is referring to.
No, he's not. He's talking about the fans that wrote letters that were published in Superior Spider-Man. Do you honestly think Marvel would actually print the letters from the truely over the top batshit crazy people? Hell no. If Marvel decided it was OK to print them in the comic, they weren't anywhere close to that. These are normal, albeit passionate, fans who hated to see what Marvel did to their favorite character and wanted to write a letter in to Marvel to express that opinion. And BWprowl has exaggerated that to the point that he's started talking like these are the batshit crazy fans for simply expressing that opinion, when he thinks they should be just like him and 'get over it'. But they aren't those fans. They just wrote to express how much they hated what Marvel did to Peter Parker.
I don't think anyone here is trying to argue that it's irrational to get mad when something you like gets what you consider to be ruined. Hell, on these very boards all of us at one point have vented that very thing about various things.
I'm pretty sure that's exactly what BWprowl is arguing. And I made that exact same point earlier in this...discussion actually. And yet...
Ok, I haven't read the comic in question nor the letters page so I can't say for sure if Prowl's right and they really are coming off as that over the top, but on the face of it and from a purely business standpoint, you've really got a point here. You're right that it wouldn't make sense for Marvel to be publishing letters from people who truly have no grip on reality. But, I could be wrong. I'm a Trekkie and that means that I've seen and, unfortunately, interacted with a fandom where so large a portion of that fandom was like that to the point of it becoming the stereotype for that fandom. In fact, it even reached a point where Trek fans who do have a grip on reality want to distance themselves from the others to the point of having a different name for themselves: Trekkers. Now, I usually just say I'm a Trekkie because your average person isn't going to know and even if they did know, they likely wouldn't care about the difference between Trekkies and Trekkers..... and God damn it, I'm rambling. I'm gonna shut up now.

I also agree that I've never seen anything like what TM described either (although, I do have the original floppies of the entire G2 run. I could check).
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Action Comics #16:
I really feel like a chump for not having been reading this since the first issue. (On a related note, I need to start grabbing the compilations.) In continuity terms, Morrison establishes that some kind of "Death of Superman" happened in the new timeline, happening 2 or 3 years after Darkseid's first attack. Based on what information is given, it was much different from any previous depiction. Morrison has apparently conflated "The Death of Superman" with a (not previously shown) "Crisis" type story. (Lane and Olsen are shown talking about red skys and such when referencing Superman's apparent death. It is not even entirely clear if Doomsday was an individual character or an event/phenomenon. There is clearly more to this story than I am covering here. But, not having read the last year+ of Morrison's run, I cannot really get in to the important stuff.
Grade: B (at least)



Legends of the Dark Knight #4:
3 short stories in this issue. In the first, Batman has to talk down one of the Joker's previous victims. It is not a bad short subject piece. But, it raises the question of how many people would be able to live in Gotham without becoming unhinged, especially if they were harmed by a super-criminal. (It is the sort of thing that draws attention to the arguement that the settings of most comics are too much like our world.) The second story is a sort of meta-commentary, showing Joker attacking the set of an in-context "Batman" movie. Given its length, it is well handled. But, it probably would have benefited from at least a few more pages. The third story of the issue features Two-Face. It attempts to establish a few things about Harvey Dent (and his specific mental state) that are likely to be problematic relative to later (inevitable) stories about the character. But, the new "Legends" is likely similar to the old "Legends" book in not being fully in context with the rest of the Bat-books, which largely mitigates this concern.
Grade: B

Legends of the Dark Knight #5:
This issue features a single story focusing on Slam Bradley. The latest revision of Bradley is that he is a former Gotham cop turned private eye. While working on a standard "follow the cheating spouse" case, Bradley has a run of bad luck that implicates him in a murder and arson case and puts him the path of Gotham's (corrupt) police force, Batman and the Black Mask, all despite his avowed intention to avoid the police and all costumed nut cases. The story is a bit drawn out, but it manages to be readable enough.
Grade: B/C


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Green Lantern #17
Billions of years ago on Oa (I'm sure that's a mistake, the art looks like Maltus), Ganthet is trying to stop Krona from viewing the birth of the universe. On the screen, a hand appears, and to their surprise they see it is wearing a (Green Lantern) ring, when suddenly the equipment explodes because a ship crashes into the building. Its occupant exits, happy to have survived the trip across time and space and is carrying a Lantern battery. He introduces himself to Ganthet as Volthoom.
Present day, Volthoom has the Guardians imprisoned in his room on Maltus and reviews Ganthet's life to see where it all went wrong. Eventually he decides to change their history by forcing Ganthet to convince his fellow Guardians to keep their emotions before they formed the GL Corps. Reality briefly shifts but Volthoom finds his powers have been weakened since the Guardians used so much of it to create their Third Army and having been imprisoned for so long. To change history, he will need to recharge and finds the targets to do so from Ganthet's memory...
Elsewhere, Simon fights with Black Hand and frees the keepers of the Chamber of Shadows, but he is absorbed into Black Hand's ring where he finds Hal and Sinestro.
Interesting thing about Volthoom's effect on people, when we see him looking through their memories, we actually do see various memories from their lives which gives us some clues as to what still counts here. And it's kinda cool seeing rarely seen events from the Guardians long history. Given the First Lantern's powers can alter reality, I think we might expect some retcons by the end of the Wrath of the First Lantern arc. Nice to finally be getting some background on this character and things moving forward with Hal and Sinestro.

Green Lantern Corps #17
Guy wakes up finding himself trapped by the First Lantern inside his own mind. Volthoom makes him relive several events from his life, and then makes him relive those same events changing some aspect to make a drastic difference in the outcome, all the while charging off of the emotions Guy experiences. Guy protests, saying none of those things happened that way, to which Volthoom responds Guy doesn't understand, anything the First Lantern wants is what will be.
Included among Guy's memories we see him as Warrior and when he had Sinestro's yellow power ring. Mostly, this issue feels like it expands a bit on Guy's background, with most of the issue focused on his family and previous career as a cop.

Green Lantern New Guardians #17
Kyle wakes up finding himself in his apartment on Earth. It doesn't take long for the First Lantern to trap him inside his mind. Although Kyle's power as a White Lantern doesn't phase the First Lantern, Kyle shows a greater resistance to Volthoom, retaining his sense of self despite changes Volthoom makes to his memory, but the altered events eventually wears Kyle down. Volthoom offers a 'kindness' to Kyle, to send him to a reality of his choosing. Kyle chooses where Alex was alive, but of course Volthoom goes back on his word and feeds off of the despair Kyle feels for what could have been. He returns Kyle to his apartment, disappointed the White Lantern is as emotional evolved, but not worthy as an equal or as a companion.
Interesting bits from Kyle's past, we find out for sure Hal was still possessed by Parallax and sacrificed himself to save the Sun and Kyle still was Ion for a time. So we know plenty of stories had to have still taken place for those events to happen. Little tired of seeing the scene with Alex stuffed in a refrigerator. We've seen it several times in New Guardians already, it's getting a little old by now. Nice to see despite Kyle's power that he's got now, he is still only human.
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Vothoom was also the name of the entity in the ring used by the Crime Syndicate's analogue for Green Lantern. Is there any connection there?


Action Comics #17:
Morrison's run has been extended one more issue. The majority of this issue consists of a fight scene between Superman and the conceptual corruption of himself. It would probably make more sense and have more apparently going on if I had read the last year's worth of comics. Grade: B/C


MLP Micro Series (Twilight Sparkle) #1:
When I paid for this, I asked for it to be put in a plain, brown wrapper. The guy at the comic shop pointed out that such requests have not always been made humourously. The "Micro Series" (and this is the actual name) is the MLP analague for the TF "Spotlight" series. Each issue showcases a given character at their best. (In theory, it could show them at their worst. But, this is MLP, so that is pretty unlikely.) Unlike "Spotlight", these seem to have have sequential numbers on the covers. But, the idea is more or less the same. Tim "Love and Capes" Zahler is credited as the writer. In this issue, Twilight is sent to help a librarian pony organize her books and (as it turns out) to help that pony stop being so reclusive. (It is implied that said librarian pony is what Twilight could have become if Celestia had not sent her to Ponyville to make friends.) The next issue features Rainbow Dash, so I am more or less in for that as well.
Grade: B


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The Superior Spider-Man #4:
After three issues of Otto getting along with the impression that ‘being Spider-Man is AWESOME’, things start getting a little rough for him here. Not only has dressing like Dr. Horrible and acting like a cocky jerkass surprisingly NOT ingrained him with his boss and co-workers or earned him their respect, but after searching all of his new body’s memories he’s shocked, SHOCKED to discover that Peter Parker is somehow NOT a doctor yet! This leads to table-tossing temper-tantrum hilarity, which Ghost-Peter even gets a good giggle out of (even signaling to the audience right before Otto realizes that ‘This should be good.’ At least he’s getting as much enjoyment out of this as we are.). So Otto decides to go back to school, with Peter commenting on the improbable scheduling he’ll have to do to keep up on it with all the OTHER things going on in his life, marking the first time I’ve seen anyway that a Spider-Man story acknowledges that there’s just no way the guy should be able to cram this many story-relevant activities into a day. Even if Ock’s streamlined it by patrolling the city with Spider-Bots and (reasonably) letting the Fire Department handle fires instead of swinging to every one to see if he has to help (Peter gets weirdly hung up on the whole fire thing throughout the issue). He’s even patched a special Spider-contact ‘red phone’ type thing to his Bluetooth headset that he wears as Peter Parker, which seems like a liable secret identity risk, but this comic didn’t get this far by making sense! This lets the police contact him to let him know about the super-villain-based plot starting this issue, with a bad guy named ‘Massacre’ whose superpower is…being a sociopath. No, seriously, he’s described as having a ‘superhuman lack of empathy’, and they play up just how IMPOSSIBLE TO ASSIGN VALUE TO HUMAN LIFE he is and how that brain damage apparently makes him more dangerous than, say, one of the hardcore-planning super-intellect villains out there, or guys with actual super-powers. It all sets up for a showdown between Spider-Jerk and Massa-Jerk that’ll probably look to firmly establish whether Otto will go far enough to directly kill a villain or not, even though you kinda have to sympathize with Otto’s intent when he’s pragmatically looking to permanently stop a villain that he had promised to prevent from killing before, while Ghost-Peter just parrots his old ‘No one dies’ sentiment while multiple dead bodies killed by the guy he not-killed a while back litter the floor. Especially compared to earlier in the issue where Otto’s more ruthless tactics are shown to have turned Spider-Man into a legitimate crime deterrent, with his regular patrols and Spider-Bots acting as a visible ‘police’ presence that keeps low-level criminal elements from acting out. It’s clear that Slott is trying to present evidence that Otto’s approach to Spider-Man might really be ‘Superior’ in some aspects, even if he’s likely setting it up to all come crashing down in the late game. This first thing contributing to that being the apparent return of the Green Goblin at the end of this issue, so we’ll see where that goes.

(I have no idea what the Green Goblin’s status is supposed to be in the current Marvel universe. Is it still Osborn?)

Honestly, the novelty is starting to wear off of Superior Spider-Man, as Otto’s goofy super-villain ways have subsided into simple jerkassery, and even then he’s clearly softening up a bit. Fortunately, Slott actually seems to have some idea of what he wants to do with this story, and there’s enough driving that that I’m still interested in seeing where he’s going with this whole thing. The fact that this story most likely has an ‘end’ in sight in a year or two is a motivating factor as well, so I’ll stick with it for the time being. As long as things keep moving forward, using the idea of a Super-Villain in a Super-Hero’s body, and we don’t get stuck with just stagnant Spider-Stories, I’ll stick with this thing. But it’s going to reach the end of being able to coast on goofy hilarity value soon, unless it opts to get a lot more ridiculous.

GI Joe #1:
And into the fray I go. At first, I was concerned, as the first few pages have Joe Colton opining everything about military stories that had me avoiding this series for so long, until I got past those pages, and realized what Van Lente was *really* doing. It’s a borderline-deconstructive-parody of GI Joe as the world knows it, which is perfect for me, and Van Lente knows exactly what he’s doing here, making keen points about code names, embedded reporters, and the compromises a team has to make when it’s trying to subsist on public spectacle like this. Apparently Cobra’s exposure of GI Joe in the preceding story arc is what kicked off this renumbering and new direction, and ironically instead of destroying the group, they’ve actually turned it into the team everyone (should) know and love. Showing the group’s dour professionalism clashing with their public ‘image’ is something Van Lente’s writing style lends itself well to, and it’s nice to see him flex his muscles in a less, uh, ‘sanitized’ environment that Marvel Adventures (the ‘Badass’ exchange between Duke and Shipwreck was a great opining on the subject of codenames, even if it does come across as partially lifted from Reservoir Dogs). It’s GI Joe as the team that can’t quite be taken seriously, ending up in situations where that severely handicaps or endangers them, and that’s a neat enough idea, not to mention coincidentally plays off my own earlier outside impression of the franchise nicely. I’ll stick around for this one, at least because Van Lente expectedly pens it as a very enjoyable read.

Costa’s apparently got a new ‘Cobra’ themed series coming out alongside this one, so I might give that a look-see too.

Also, I’m not gonna review the whole thing, but I’ll just say I was pleasantly surprised by how good the MLP Twilight Sparkle one-shot turned out, especially in finally answering a question I’ve had for some time, “Where are all of Celestia’s friends?”
Dom wrote:MLP Micro Series (Twilight Sparkle) #1:
When I paid for this, I asked for it to be put in a plain, brown wrapper. The guy at the comic shop pointed out that such requests have not always been made humourously.
Considering the MLP comics are reportedly the best-selling in years, outselling even stuff like the #700 of Amazing Spider-Man by a landslide, I don't see what the issue would be.
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The "plain, brown wrapper" comment was as about general "comics shame", a topic the shop-keeper and I have discussed at some length. His wife ran a shop in Boston where a fair number of her customer base insisted on the "not porn" wrapper rather than a bag identifying the store. (It was even more absurd when she saw them slip the comics in to their brief case...)

I would be more likely to consider the MLP ongoing if I did nto have so many other comics on my list now.

Costa’s apparently got a new ‘Cobra’ themed series coming out alongside this one, so I might give that a look-see too.
Damned right you should.



I admit to having a toy-hack moment while flipping through the issue. I cannot really articulate how odd it was for me to see Quick-Kick in a current Joe comic. (It even felt kind of odd in the TF/Joe cross overs from 10 years ago.)

Even putting aside his (pointless on more than one level) death in the original series, Quick-Kick always struck me as being too much a product of one point in history to transplant in to newer or even idiomatic versions of the franchise. He was a riff on Bruce Lee type characters. And, his character profile listed him as being the product of a marriage between a Japanese/Korean parents, and how his social status suffered for that heritage. Assuming that Quick-Kick was 25 in 1985, he would have been born in 1960, making WWII a "live" memory. Snake-Eyes's origional origin (as well as several other Joes' origins), tied in with Viet Nam. But, they were not defined by Viet Nam. But, it seems different with Quick-Kick.

Obviously, this is not the Quick-Kick of my childhood. But, seeing any Quick-Kick, (despite my soft spot for the character), strikes me as odd.

This comic was not terrible. But, I am really not in to Joe enough at this point. The old Marvel series stumbled when dealing with the "top secret military organization" angle. It was never quite clear how much the world at large knew about the Joes. Hama let a sort of Silver-Age ambiguity hang over the book for the entirety of its run.

Van Lente did do a good job of blending the real world logic of the reboot with the in-context logic. (The Joe team was failing, in more ways than one.) I just hope that this reboot is successful.


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Dominic wrote:Vothoom was also the name of the entity in the ring used by the Crime Syndicate's analogue for Green Lantern. Is there any connection there?
It's probably the same Volthoom. When the Guardians broke him out of the Chamber of Shadows, it was shown he could communicate through any and every power ring.
BWprowl wrote:(I have no idea what the Green Goblin’s status is supposed to be in the current Marvel universe. Is it still Osborn?)
Yeah, it's still Osborn. He had been in a coma after his last fight with the Avengers, but I think he woke up just before Ock transferred his mind into Spidey's body.
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When I paid for this, I asked for it to be put in a plain, brown wrapper. The guy at the comic shop pointed out that such requests have not always been made humourously.
My comic shop does this with all their bags. No joke.
The "Micro Series" (and this is the actual name) is the MLP analague for the TF "Spotlight" series. Each issue showcases a given character at their best. (In theory, it could show them at their worst. But, this is MLP, so that is pretty unlikely.) Unlike "Spotlight", these seem to have have sequential numbers on the covers. But, the idea is more or less the same.
The idea comes from their TMNT series, which initially had a concurrently-running (after the first 4 issues or so) "Micro Series" for each of the four Turtles, to mimic Eastman & Laird's original "1-issue Turtle microseries" from the vintage runs. (Each Turtle had an individual book that took place between certain issues of the comics. Sometimes, important plot elements came from these books. The Foot battering Raphael from the first movie, for example, comes from the Foot Clan returning during Christmas and beating up Leo in the Leonardo microseries issue.) After the four turtles were done, they started doing other issues--Splinter, Casey Jones, April, etc. And then I lost track.
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Scarlet Spider Vol. 1: Life After Death
Whelp, I can definitively move up Chris Yost’s current ‘Scarlet Spider’ series into my ‘like’ column, this series does a lot of things right. The main thing I love about it is just how *focused* it is, nearly every story element ties into the idea of trying your best despite failure, resistance, or just plain bad luck. The issues collected here see Kaine make it to Houston only to get caught up with a human trafficking ring and the one girl he saves, with troublesome elements closing in on him as soon as he does, one after the other. There’s a very strong theme of making the most with what you can running under this book’s writing; The Scarlet Spider isn’t the best superhero in the world, but most of Houston is just happy to have him (a strong contrast to how the hero-heavy New York treats Spider-Man), even if it can be argued that Kaine’s presence is what’s attracting more dangerous elements like the Assassin’s Guild or Kraven the Hunter’s family. Kaine, meanwhile, clearly knows that he needs a lot more practice at this hero thing, but keeps doing his best with what he has, even when he knows it’s not actually enough. This is all illustrated wonderfully in the second-to-last issue/chapter, regarding a bomb placed in Houston. Kaine’s cop friend tries to reason him into acting more like a ‘good guy’ in getting information on the bomb out of criminals, and Kaine reasons back that he can’t afford to compromise his ways in that situation. The story also brings up the point that sometimes, the one superhero you have simply may not be enough, or suited at all to dealing with the problem at hand, but that making the most of what he has (Kaine’s established but pointedly-neglected ability to communicate with spiders, as well as his willingness to just try ANYTHING, and never give up) can save you in the end. Kaine’s a legacy character who doesn’t even want the legacy (he hates seeing blue hoodies, wishes he could switch his costume back to a black coloration, and gets annoyed when the people of Houston start referring to him as ‘The Scarlet Spider’ against his wishes), but despite all his complaining and misgivings, he knows he still has to do the best he can. This is all communicated expertly with the aforementioned details, and in stories like the one I described with the bomb, and even through situations with the secondary characters, like Kaine’s doctor friend describing how he feels when he loses patients, that he can’t let one loss be the end of his world, he just has to carry that weight and continue on, doing his best. Again, the sheer amount of all of these details focusing on this single idea shows very strong writing on the part of Yost, resulting in the book being a very good read. I’ll keep picking up the singles of this series, and I can’t wait for the next trade to come out to bring me fully up on the story. I just really, really like this series.

As an aside, I am one of those people who ‘hears’ particular character voices when I read a comic book, and Kaine definitely comes across as a Crispin Freeman type.
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I heard it--I can't unhear it.

Which is funny, because Crispin Freeman kind of sounds like the 90s Spiderman cartoon actor. Who will probably always be Spiderman in my head. (I had a CD-ROM "interactive comic book" thing in the mid-90s that was old comic back issues narrated, partially, by the cartoon voice actors. It was pretty cool for a kid, and firmly implanted that dude as Spider-Man's voice to me forever.)
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