Movie influences on the rest of TFs

[BWprowl]

The movies took some telegenic elements from previous iterations, (the Fallen, merge teams and the like), but little else. Bay and co looked at some pictures and called what they came away with ideas. 86 and I were talking about this. He was bemoaning the damage the movie is arguable doing to the franchise. I disagree about the damage. But, it movies are certainly vapid and do little to call attention to the good things to be found in TF.

What sort of damage did '86 think the movies were doing to the franchise?

[Dominic]

86 sees Bayformers as giving the wrong impression of the hobby, playing up the franchises most vapid and obnoxious elements. As a result, how people see the fandom will be effected.


Bay's use of the Fallen is a good example of my point. Bay and co looked at pictures, called those ideas, and ran with it. Of course, Furman acts like a character he created was brought to the screen, despite the character on the page being completely differenct from the character on film.


Dom
-how the movie influences the hobby.

[Shockwave]

I'll frankly be pissed if BB is mute in IDW. I don't mind it on screen, but like Mako said, it doesn't need to bleed over to every other version of him or be his defining characteristic. I felt the effects of Bayformers bleeding to other versions of the genre with issue 1 of ongoing. Some of it I don't mind, but I still like have the different continuities be meaningfully different.

[Mako Crab]

*flips through the new issue of IDW Beast Wars. Sees Optimus Primal and co. working alongside a team of caveman warriors led by Monkey Lennox!*

Oh goddammit, Bay!!

[Onslaught Six]

Frankly, I would prefer that over some of the other ideas about BW the fandom has had.

[Dominic]

I'll frankly be pissed if BB is mute in IDW. I don't mind it on screen, but like Mako said, it doesn't need to bleed over to every other version of him or be his defining characteristic. I felt the effects of Bayformers bleeding to other versions of the genre with issue 1 of ongoing. Some of it I don't mind, but I still like have the different continuities be meaningfully different.

You are completely right. They need to be meaningfully different.

Besides broadening the appeal of the hobby, it keeps it from feeding on itself. Look at "GI Joe". the two current series are damned near indistinguishable. (I recall confusion about just where/how the "Agent Helix" special was set.)



Dom

[Mako Crab]

Frankly, I would prefer that over some of the other ideas about BW the fandom has had.

That's for sure. And IDW itself too.

[Gomess]

...Are we calling him BB now? That's confusing. Especially since the *actual* BB also has a speech impediment.

My main problem with the movies was that they had the opportunity to bring something genuinely new- or at least rare- to Transformers (no Prime Vs. Megatron, normalising female Transformers, a genuine third faction, stories that are actually predicated on the idea of alien robots having to disguise themselves in the real world..) for a mainstream audience. But it's the same old schtick with an even more self-indulgent, obnoxious personality. It's the weirdest combination between RUINING THE FRANCHISE WITH ITS UGLY NEW AESTHETICS!!11! and beating the same dead fanservice horse.

Seriously, go back and watch G1. Peter. Cullen. Is. Too. Old. To. Do. The. Optimus. Voice. Any. More.

Not to mention the movies' repulsive attempts at humour, which I worry will trickle down into the cartoon series and maybe even the toys, resulting in more messed-up kids than the world needs.

[andersonh1]

Not to mention the movies' repulsive attempts at humour, which I worry will trickle down into the cartoon series and maybe even the toys, resulting in more messed-up kids than the world needs.

I love Cullen as Prime, even at his current age. But I agree with you completely about the attempts at humor. The "humor" is what ruined the second movie for me. Jive talking twins, giant butt filling the screen, stupid conspiracy theory roomate dragged along for the ride... on and on it went. And it was all tasteless and crude, and really killed the movie. To the point where I haven't bothered to purchase the DVD, because I really don't care if I see it again or not.

[Onslaught Six]

I'm glad G gets what I said about Cullen's voice when ROTF hit.

Here's the thing--in the first movie, it kind of works. New universe, new Prime, and this one's An Old Guy, and considering how little Prime actually *does* in the movie (Watch Bonecrusher or Megatron's fights--Prime mostly stands around in Bonecrusher's fight and seriously gets his ass kicked by Megs) ROTF makes Prime out like he's some kind of 80s Schwarzenegger hero, and Cullen's I'm-in-my-late-fifties voice *really* doesn't work for that. It's kind of like how I always wanted to see a show where Optimus Prime was a wise old mentory figure in the background--kind of like Cybertron's Vector Prime--and THEN he'd be voiced by Cullen.