Transformers - ongoing series

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Well, it looks like the Ironhide death may be for real.

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As revealed yesterday in an exclusive preview here at CBR, IDW Publishing's first "Transformers" ongoing series in half a decade will kick off with the death of Ironhide, a veteran Autobot and one of Optimus Prime's most trusted officers. Ironhide, who transforms into a red van, was one of the original line of Transformers toys from Hasbro, released before the "Robots in Disguise" concept had been finalized. His robot form in that original toy left space for a human pilot, differing significantly from what was later seen on the cartoon. CBR News spoke with editor Andy Schmidt about the decision to kill a character with such a long history and the ramifications for the rest of the cast.

"Transformers" #1, written by Mike Costa with art by Don Figueroa, picks up three years after the events of the recently concluded "All Hail Megatron" maxi-series. Most of the Decepticons have left Earth, Megatron is believed dead, and onetime Autobot ally, Spike Witwicky, is hunting all Transformers, good and evil alike, for the government. His attitude reflects the sentiment of most humans, who watched as a war between robots ravaged the planet. Optimus Prime and his crew live in hiding, but they can't hide forever.

Regarding the decision to announce Ironhide's death in advance of the issue's ship date, Schmidt said that IDW had considered not discussing the death at all in promoting the new series, but saw compelling reasons to tip their hat. "We realized that we need to let people know why this book is important. And no, it's not that a major character dies (although that is a big deal in and of itself) but even more so, what effect Ironhide's demise has on the rest of the Transformers cast and universe," Schmidt said.

"I honestly don't remember whose idea it was [to kill Ironhide], but ultimately I had to run it by Hasbro to see if they were down with it. Rightfully, they were cautious, like with killing Jinx over in 'G.I. Joe,' but once they saw the story impact and the possibilities for great stories and poignant ones, they signed off enthusiastically," the editor added. "Working with Hasbro is great in that regard. As a group, they're able to take risks and be a part of the creative process in a very positive way.

The death of Ironhide, from "Transformers" #1

"So I essentially suggested the story elements, and Hasbro signed off on it. Then Mike and Don had to make the scene come to life and really carry the weight that it needs to carry. And, man, they did that in spades."

Given that Transformers are living machines, the concept of death seems as though it may carry some ambiguity, but Schmidt said that what exactly death means for a robot is "exactly something that we're going to be exploring in depth very soon."

"They're cars, right? So you can just fix them up and get 'em back on the road. That's not really the case with Transformers," Schmidt explained. "And believe it or not, we've actually worked a lot of this out. One of the things that's great about Transformers is that they are so very like human beings in terms of personality and conflict and feelings, but also, they're giant robots - cybernetic organisms. That allows us to tell stories that speak to the human condition from a very different perspective.

"I don't want to make it sound like we're getting all philosophical all the time, but we are going there from time to time. Will there be lots of action? Sure. Big robots gotta wrestle, but we're also going a bit deeper from time to time too. And Ironhide's death - and the meaning of death to Transformers - really becomes a huge part of the stories we're telling."

Though the film and newer animated series occasionally mentioned the Allspark, which may be a sort of nirvana or heaven, Schmidt clarified that this would not play into the Autobots' spiritual quests. "We haven't really addressed the AllSpark in the IDW comics continuity. Here, the Transformers all have a Spark which is somewhat like the notion of a soul. Once you lose it, can you get it back?"

While Hotrod's brash actions could be seen to contribute to Ironhide's death, Schmidt tells CBR that the Autobot's teammates would not place undue blame on him. "As it turns out, these are Autobots and it would be contrary to most of their core characters for them to go stark-raving mad because the field leader at the time was on duty," the editor said. "Remember, they've been fighting a war for thousands of years. They understand how death happens. And now that that war is over, they're going to be doing new things - trying new adventures and asking different questions."

The death of Ironhide, from "Transformers" #1

As to what those adventures and questions might entail, the events of the series' first issue leave the field wide open. "What we've got are Autobots with no place on Earth. They'd like to help rebuild after the crushing destruction to Earth during 'All Hail Megatron,' but Earth wants nothing to do with them," Schmidt said. "Autobot and Decepticon alike brought their war to Earth. So there is no real difference to the humans - any robot is a bad robot."

This perspective is where Spike's role comes in. "Spike's a bit more adult than he was in the classic cartoon. He's a military man and he leads a combat group called Skywatch that tracks and captures any and all Transformers," the editor explained. "He's got a rage in him against all the Transformers because of what they did to Earth, and even though the rebuilding process has gone well, the emotional scars heal much slower. And that is going to be a big part of what our new series is all about.

"So it puts the Autobots in a very awkward position on the planet. Which causes some of them to ask the obvious question: If the humans don't want us here, why don't we just leave? And the answer to that question will come in a very unusual way.

"And yes, most Decepticons are off Earth, but not all of them. The war as it has been fought for centuries is over. It seems it's time for some new strategies. Some new ideas."

"Transformers" #1 hits stores November 18, 2009.
Dom, it's interesting that we were just discussing caring or not caring about characters in a series. I would definately come down in the "have to care about the characters to care what happens to them" camp. Ironhide's one of my favorites, and I care about the character enough that offing him in the first issue makes me a bit angry. It's odd that a fictional character would provoke that response, but it does. It didn't bother me when they killed off Leadfoot or Outback, or even Sunstreaker to some extent, but Ironhide bothers me. Enough that I've been momentarily tempted to just say "forget about the book then". As I said in the other thread, why get attached to long-time characters if they're just going to be killed off?

But I won't. I'll still give the book a chance. But that's a strike against it from the get go.
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I have a sentimental attachment to Ironhide as well. (That scene in the 1986 movie nailed me as a kid.)

But, I am less worried about them killing a character than the how/why. The fact they killed Ironhide, (or any main character), for shock value and nothing else, is worrisome. This sort of thing is worse than killing off C/D-listers to prove the writers "mean business", if only because somebody later feels the need to "fix" it later.

Costa seems to be going for a "look how hard we are" approach. But, maybe maybe Costa is going somewhere with this.

Either way, bad idea or not, Ironhide needs to stay dead.


Dom-at least the corpse looks good.
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138 Scourge wrote:I dunno, the faces are a lil' distracting, but overall I'm okay with it. Is there a reason the Autobots are fighting against humans now?
Reread AHM #12. At the end, Prime is all, "Hey, Spike, we kind of fucked up the planet a little bit while we were fighting, but we're the good guy robots, so we'll help you rebuild it and stuff," and Spike tells him to piss off, because as far as the humans care, they're all the same.

Also! Taking this snippet to the AHM thread:
Costas! wrote:"He's got a rage in him against all the Transformers because of what they did to Earth, and even though the rebuilding process has gone well, the emotional scars heal much slower."
BWprowl wrote:The internet having this many different words to describe nerdy folks is akin to the whole eskimos/ice situation, I would presume.
People spend so much time worrying about whether a figure is "mint" or not that they never stop to consider other flavours.
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Dominic wrote:I have a sentimental attachment to Ironhide as well. (That scene in the 1986 movie nailed me as a kid.)

But, I am less worried about them killing a character than the how/why. The fact they killed Ironhide, (or any main character), for shock value and nothing else, is worrisome. This sort of thing is worse than killing off C/D-listers to prove the writers "mean business", if only because somebody later feels the need to "fix" it later.

Costa seems to be going for a "look how hard we are" approach. But, maybe maybe Costa is going somewhere with this.
I hope so. I'd hate to see it done for shock value. I wouldn't care for that at all.
Either way, bad idea or not, Ironhide needs to stay dead.
Yeah, as much as I hate to see the character go, I have to agree. IDW's been pretty good about having character deaths 'stick'.

By the way, I made the point over on IDW's boards that Starscream survived worse in Infiltration #6. E.J. Su replied to the post and his explanation was that he'd overdone it with the damage, and that Furman hadn't meant for Starscream to be so mangled. In any case, one assumes that the Decepticons had a fully equipped base and were able to get Starscream straight to the CR chamber, but maybe that wasn't possible with Ironhide. It's still a discrepancy that I hope has an explanation at some point.
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I tried to post this on the news page, but it's not working at the moment. The Continuum preview is available here: http://www.bzzurkk.com/2009/11/transformers-continuum/
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See, to me, that press release from IDW that Anderson posted *really* reads like the sort of thing the Marvel and DC put out when they decide to kill off a major character (a la Captain America). It just gives credit to the notion that IDW is trying to build TF into a universe more like that of the Big 2. Eh...

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Mirage's whole thing is that he is sneaky. It would make less sense for him to be getting shot at. And, dramatic elements aside, Ironhide is a body-guard for commanders, not other troops.


The more like the Big 2 "Transformers" becomes, the less worth my time it becomes.

I will give them a chance, but TF is becoming "habit" rather than "staple".

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Transformers Continuum

Given that IDW is about to start a new ongoing monthly Transformers series, and given that they’ve published a good number of Transformers comics in the past four years, it makes sense to offer readers a book like Continuum. This one-shot comic does two things. It sums up “the story so far…” including events from the various mini-series and spotlights, as well as All Hail Megatron. It also contains a list of all the various mini-series and spotlights in chronological order according, so the new reader (or long time reader for that matter) can accurately place any given story within the fictional history of the Transformers since IDW took over the property.

The book itself is comprised of art from all the various series combined with summaries of events. The art is recycled, but there’s nothing wrong with that given the context of the book as a “historical document” and story summary. The copy itself is new, and it’s here that the book starts to stumble a bit, given that some of the ‘facts’ presented within the summaries conflict with what was seen in the actual comics.

I haven't read every comic published by IDW, but I've read enough to know when some facts have been changed or left out, and it's puzzling. It's not just one or two things, but multiple contradictions with past stories, such as saying that the final battle with Thunderwing took place on Nebulon, when it was actually on Cybertron. There's no mention of Jimmy Pink at all, just Hunter and Verity (though Jimmy makes a cameo in one panel, unidentified). Skywatch and the Machination are confused to the point that the Machination is never even mentioned, and Skywatch is blamed for the kidnapping of Hunter and Sunstreaker. The Autobots are said to believe that both are dead. The book is riddled with errors like this, and it's hard to understand.

I want to be kind here, but I have to be blunt: either author Andy Schmidt made a ton of mistakes while doing his research, or else we're getting some blantant history revisionism here. Either way, I don't really care for the end result.

In short, I appreciate what’s been attempted with Continuum. IDW have built up a lot of continuity and story in a few short years, and it’s bound to be daunting to the new reader. This brief summary of major story points and characters is a good idea, which will hopefully draw in some new readers. On the other hand, it’s a disappointment to the long-time reader like myself when so much of what's in Continuum is wrong. It doesn’t jibe with what’s already been published. IDW gets credit for a good idea, but it looks like they botched the execution. I hate to say that, but sadly it's the case.
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I am willing to bet the ommissions you mention, along with various shifts in emphasis, are intentional. Some of the omissions may be for space reasons. But, most are probably for the sake of changing direction.

For example, it looks like IDW is trying to downplay/ignore Arcee's origin.

And, certain points in AHM are being repositioned.

Sunstreaker is confirmed as being alive, (rather than dying as O86 thought), which means he will probably come back. (This pretty well undermines the "no we mean it' aspects of Ironhide's death in the first issue of the ongoing.) Thundercracker was not shot in the face, as the art strongly implies. (Wonder what *that* is setting up for.)

I am taking off points less for the final product of this book and more for what it implies about the future direction of the TF comic.


What I *will* take off points for is the price. $4 for what is essentially a recap is, as I have said elsewhere, obscene. Yes, I know that charging "full-price" for this sort of book is standard nowadays. But, I remember when reading chronologies where only a buck or tree, if not free. I wonder how many people a $4 reading chronolgy will really bring in.


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Dominic wrote:I am willing to bet the ommissions you mention, along with various shifts in emphasis, are intentional. Some of the omissions may be for space reasons. But, most are probably for the sake of changing direction.
They almost have to be. The alternative is an amazing lack of competence and reading comprehension when it comes to existing stories.
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