The 2014 NYC Toyfair is bound to be dominated by Generations

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Just because no pictures have been allowed of the toys doesn't mean it's a total bust or that there isn't any new information coming out of it. And while the toys will certainly look somewhat different from the CGI models, at least pictures of some of that other merchandise is giving us the first look at some of the characters from the film. That's better than nothing.

No HasTak Toy pics/info,does equal a bust. other companies doing different TF merchandise can create stuff that looks different.

People were allowed in the show room. But they had to sign a non-disclosure agreement. He was upfront about that before he attended. I mean, the first thing he said about the booth itself was that it was like Fort Knox. They've done the same thing with such events before, it's not unheard of. He can't give out too much information because he'd get in trouble for it. Maybe take the information with a grain of salt but there's no reason to believe he lied about it. And it wasn't outdated information. Some of the names given are the first confirmation we've had.

You know,I was referring to fans boys. I saw the non-disclosure agreement,as I read the same UK 2014 Toyfair thread on TFW2005 as you did.

The guy,gave no HasTak info that we didn't know already. if he wanted to get believed he needed to reveal a tiny tidbit from the HasTak TF UK showroom.

Maybe, maybe not. You can't count on Hasbro doing something just because Takara did it. They've often released some figures (and toylines) that Hasbro didn't.

Hasbro is bound to release some previous movie molds via repaints/remolds in the TF4 toy line. as they've done this with past TF movie toy lines.

Where did you see that at? The only poster that was there I've seen commenting about anything said it wasn't on display. So of course fans are still guessing about it, nothing was able to be confirmed about that one.

The info is in one of those UK toyfair threads on TFW2005,it's being said the black truck cab is Galvatron.

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No HasTak Toy pics/info,does equal a bust.

It's disappointing, but I still wouldn't call it a bust when we got at least some information and pictures of some other merchandise out of it. We got our first look at the CGI model of Drift's robot mode. And I've seen a picture floating around of Lockdown's face.

other companies doing different TF merchandise can create stuff that looks different.

That doesn't make any sense. Why would they make the TF merchandise look different?

You know,I was referring to fans boys. I saw the non-disclosure agreement,as I read the same UK 2014 Toyfair thread on TFW2005 as you did.

...Yet you were talking about how you thought the guy was lying about getting in. That nobody got in? How is that referring to the fan boys?

The guy,gave no HasTak info that we didn't know already. if he wanted to get believed he needed to reveal a tiny tidbit from the HasTak TF UK showroom.

And if he'd done that, he'd be breaking the non-disclosure agreement. He gave us the tidbits he could with out breaking that agreement to avoid the trouble it'd cause. Like that most of the films Transformers would be in the first two waves. Last I checked, that's not something we knew before. Or confirming the name Crosshairs, which I believe had only been spotted on a call sheet previously, which in the previous films were notorious for using place holder names. I don't see why you seem to want to make that out as not being believable. Obviously TFW2005 found it credible.

Hasbro is bound to release some previous movie molds via repaints/remolds in the TF4 toy line. as they've done this with past TF movie toy lines.

Sure, I didn't say that haven't. All I meant is you can't expect Hasbro follow what Takara does. Just because Takara is releasing repaints in the early waves doesn't mean Hasbro will. Especially if Hasbro puts the focus on the TF4 characters in the early waves as reported.

The info is in one of those UK toyfair threads on TFW2005,it's being said the black truck cab is Galvatron.

Yes, I know that part. That's what other people have been saying in that thread though.... The point I'm making is that the guy who was actually there never said that the black truck was Galvatron. What he said was that it wasn't on display.

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It's disappointing, but I still wouldn't call it a bust when we got at least some information and pictures of some other merchandise out of it.

90+ of online fans won't be buying this stuff being made by other companies. so yes it was a bust,as nothing Hastak got revealed.

That doesn't make any sense. Why would they make the TF merchandise look different?

Because they are not making action figures. they also have artistic liscense.

And if he'd done that, he'd be breaking the non-disclosure agreement. He gave us the tidbits he could with out breaking that agreement to avoid the trouble it'd cause. Like that most of the films Transformers would be in the first two waves. Last I checked, that's not something we knew before. Or confirming the name Crosshairs, which I believe had only been spotted on a call sheet previously, which in the previous films were notorious for using place holder names. I don't see why you seem to want to make that out as not being believable. Obviously TFW2005 found it credible.

the guy gave me no reason to believe him that he got into the Hasbro UK Showrooms. as all the info he posted was well known months ago. most of the info he posted from the UK toyfair came from the non-hasbro show rooms. those non-hasbro rooms had less clearance to get in.

almost every on-line fans knew months ago about the first few waves of TF4 toys thanks to target,walmart & other sites order sheets. i'd trust target & walmarts computer info before I trust some guys info who pretended to get in to the HasTak uk toyfair show room.

Sure, I didn't say that haven't. All I meant is you can't expect Hasbro follow what Takara does. Just because Takara is releasing repaints in the early waves doesn't mean Hasbro will. Especially if Hasbro puts the focus on the TF4 characters in the early waves as reported.

The first 2 waves of the TF4 toy line from Hasbro,will have over 40 toys in it from all assortments & sizes. knowing hasbro there are bound to be previous movies repaints/remolds in the first few TF4 toy waves.

with over 40 toys in the first 2 waves of the TF4 toy line. it is not hard to lie & say,"yes,these will have a huge chunck of almost of of the movie cast in it. especially considering,most on-line fans read all those target,walmart & other sites TF4 toy line order sheets.

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90+ of online fans won't be buying this stuff being made by other companies. so yes it was a bust,as nothing Hastak got revealed.

You're missing the point. The first image we've seen of Drift's CGI model came from a Connect Four box (which is a Hasbro product by the way). That was something new we hadn't seen before was it? I get you're only interested in the toys here, but there is information and pictures that came out of it regardless, which doesn't make it a total bust.

Because they are not making action figures. they also have artistic liscense.

They don't have an artist license to change the look of the characters for a film they're trying to promote. That wouldn't make any sense. Doesn't matter if they aren't making action figures in the least.

the guy gave me no reason to believe him that he got into the Hasbro UK Showrooms. as all the info he posted was well known months ago. most of the info he posted from the UK toyfair came from the non-hasbro show rooms. those non-hasbro rooms had less clearance to get in.

Fine, don't believe anything he said, but there's really no reason to doubt him. He told us what he could under a non-disclosure agreement.

almost every on-line fans knew months ago about the first few waves of TF4 toys thanks to target,walmart & other sites order sheets. i'd trust target & walmarts computer info before I trust some guys info who pretended to get in to the HasTak uk toyfair show room.

You remember those ordering sheets used some code names right? Unless Hound is actually going to be called Duke, I don't think we can really count those as trustworthy in terms of names.

The first 2 waves of the TF4 toy line from Hasbro,will have over 40 toys in it from all assortments & sizes. knowing hasbro there are bound to be previous movies repaints/remolds in the first few TF4 toy waves.

with over 40 toys in the first 2 waves of the TF4 toy line. it is not hard to lie & say,"yes,these will have a huge chunck of almost of of the movie cast in it. especially considering,most on-line fans read all those target,walmart & other sites TF4 toy line order sheets.

And how many repaints were listed on those sheets? Because I don't recall anything explicitly stated as such. I'm not doubting that there will be repaints, sooner or later. Again, the point here was that Hasbro probably wont be doing the same thing as Takara in terms of so many repaints early on, based on what we've seen thus far.

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You're missing the point. The first image we've seen of Drift's CGI model came from a Connect Four box (which is a Hasbro product by the way). That was something new we hadn't seen before was it? I get you're only interested in the toys here, but there is information and pictures that came out of it regardless, which doesn't make it a total bust.

It was called a toyfair not a CGI fair. Most on-line fans wanted to see HasTak TF toys. HasTak toys always slightly differ from the CGI models or cel art,So there is no guarantee how close or far the toys will mirror the CGI images.

They don't have an artist license to change the look of the characters for a film they're trying to promote. That wouldn't make any sense. Doesn't matter if they aren't making action figures in the least.

Have you seen some of the other companies paid liscense TF items. They are not action figures,most are novetly or role play items. A huge chunck are using that Super deformed style. The SD style blows up the features to fit into a caricature style.

depending on when Hasbro sent them the CGI images,these other companies could be using first draft images that went throught several redesigns. Need I remind you,The Company doing all the CGI,is still doing it for the TF4 Film.

Fine, don't believe anything he said, but there's really no reason to doubt him. He told us what he could under a non-disclosure agreement.

He gave no HasTak TF4 Action figures info. Why should I believe he got into the Hasbro UK TF toyfair rooms.

You remember those ordering sheets used some code names right? Unless Hound is actually going to be called Duke, I don't think we can really count those as trustworthy in terms of names.

I wasn't referring to the leaked list that some fans got months ago from the Hasbro site. I was referring to the more recent Target & Walmart computer ordering sheets list that had all the correct updated TF4 toys names on it.

And how many repaints were listed on those sheets? Because I don't recall anything explicitly stated as such. I'm not doubting that there will be repaints, sooner or later. Again, the point here was that Hasbro probably wont be doing the same thing as Takara in terms of so many repaints early on, based on what we've seen thus far.

Repaints/remolds from previous movie lines are bound to be in the first or second waves. As this happened with the Rotf & DOTM toy lines. To expect different is not doing research. Most suspect the reason why Hasbro jams the first few waves with repaints/remolds,is due to some of the newer molds not being fully finished yet & not ready for the mass production stage.

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It was called a toyfair not a CGI fair. Most on-line fans wanted to see HasTak TF toys. HasTak toys always slightly differ from the CGI models or cel art,So there is no guarantee how close or far the toys will mirror the CGI images.

Last I checked, Connect Four is a toy. And most people want to see what the characters will look like regardless of how the toys might differ from the CGI. The toys generally only differ due to licensing rights with the vehicles and pulling off how to actually transform them given they can do things with CGI they can't with toys. But they still try to make them look as close as they can.

Have you seen some of the other companies paid liscense TF items. They are not action figures,most are novetly or role play items. A huge chunck are using that Super deformed style. The SD style blows up the features to fit into a caricature style.

Have you seen them? What's it matter if some toys are super deformed? They still look like the characters they are supposed to be, just with exaggerated proportions. We've also seen some other products like statues, RC cars and key chains, not to mention some packaging of products.

depending on when Hasbro sent them the CGI images,these other companies could be using first draft images that went throught several redesigns. Need I remind you,The Company doing all the CGI,is still doing it for the TF4 Film.

Hasbro wouldn't send out the CGI that's still being worked on for the film. They'd use the finalized concept art made to develop what the characters will look like for the film in the first place, because they have to establish what they'll look like before they can start making the CGI models and toys alike, let alone animating them for the film. And they aren't going to start making stuff based on a first draft. They aren't so inconsistent with how the characters look as you're suggesting here.

He gave no HasTak TF4 Action figures info. Why should I believe he got into the Hasbro UK TF toyfair rooms.

He did, to the best he was able to. But what you want is a detailed description and pictures and he can't do that because of a non-disclosure agreement. That reason doesn't seem to be good enough for you.

I wasn't referring to the leaked list that some fans got months ago from the Hasbro site. I was referring to the more recent Target & Walmart computer ordering sheets list that had all the correct updated TF4 toys names on it.

Like I said in the other topic, unless you know of a link to some other listing, it's the same thing and it isn't a full list of the correct names. I cannot find anything else reported on TFW.

Repaints/remolds from previous movie lines are bound to be in the first or second waves. As this happened with the Rotf & DOTM toy lines. To expect different is not doing research. Most suspect the reason why Hasbro jams the first few waves with repaints/remolds,is due to some of the newer molds not being fully finished yet & not ready for the mass production stage.

Just because ROTF and DOTM had a few repaint/remolds early on is not an indication Hasbro will do the same thing for AOE. The thing with those toylines is that the characters didn't change appearance very much between films. That same cannot be said for AOE, whose only two returning characters (that we know of for sure) is Optimus and Bumblebee and they've both had some pretty big changes to their appearances this time around. I don't doubt there will be repaints/remolds at some point, but once again, you can't assume anything just because of what past toy lines did or what Takara is doing with their line. You want to talk about doing research once again, when I'm the only one to have posted any links to support my argument while you're just posting assumptions? They've had plenty of time to develop this toyline as, remember, we first saw the Leaderclass Optimus in October of last year, almost 4 months ago now. And then there is that toy listing you're so keen on pointing out earlier, but yet you seem to have forgotten it here.

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