Sentinel,is releasing a Titan sized Scorponok in 2014.

[Sparky Prime]

The term 3rd party does not fit here. according to this defination site link: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/third+party
Here's a defination of a 3rd party from the site link. " THIRD PARTY (Law) a person who is involved by chance or only incidentally in a legal proceeding, agreement, or other transaction, esp one against whom a defendant claims indemnity.

What does that definition even have to do with anything? We're not talking about a 3rd party in terms of law, we're talking about a 3rd party business. As in a company making a product other than the rights holder. It's that simple.

Sentinel is a Company who does things within the law. They asked Takara for permission & paid a license fee.

Where is this coming from? I never said they didn't do things within the law. Still doesn't change the fact this is not a Takara-Tomy product. It was licensed by them, but still made by another company unlike Transformers made by Takara and Hasbro.

It's not so much that you're repeating points, you seem to be misconstruing the point seeing that you seem to be talking about something else.

[Tigermegatron]

The term 3rd party does not fit here. according to this defination site link: http://www.thefreedictionary.com/third+party
Here's a defination of a 3rd party from the site link. " THIRD PARTY (Law) a person who is involved by chance or only incidentally in a legal proceeding, agreement, or other transaction, esp one against whom a defendant claims indemnity.

What does that definition even have to do with anything? We're not talking about a 3rd party in terms of law, we're talking about a 3rd party business. As in a company making a product other than the rights holder. It's that simple.

Sentinel is a Company who does things within the law. They asked Takara for permission & paid a license fee.

Where is this coming from? I never said they didn't do things within the law. Still doesn't change the fact this is not a Takara-Tomy product. It was licensed by them, but still made by another company unlike Transformers made by Takara and Hasbro.

It's not so much that you're repeating points, you seem to be misconstruing the point seeing that you seem to be talking about something else.

Transformers toys don't need to be made by Hasbro or Takara tomy to be considered official & non-3rd party. All that is needed is permission & paying a license fee.

Nobody considers any of the Disney,device label or the CMS Corps TF themed toys as 3rd party,un-official items. If one accepts these as official companies that make official products. It would be acting Bias & prejustice not to accept Sentinel but accept others who do similar things.

[Sparky Prime]

Transformers toys don't need to be made by Hasbro or Takara tomy to be considered official & non-3rd party. All that is needed is permission & paying a license fee.

Still don't see where this is coming from... I never said it needed to be. Heck, the brand started out using figures from different franchises. I know companies license out their products all the time. However, we got onto this subject because I asked if this was a Takara-Tomy product to explain the higher than usual costs as well as for why it doesn't transform. It's not like a Transformer they or Hasbro would make. And that is because it isn't one of their products, it's from a 3rd party company.

Nobody considers any of the Disney,device label or the CMS Corps TF themed toys as 3rd party,un-official items. If one accepts these as official companies that make official products. It would be acting Bias & prejustice not to accept Sentinel but accept others who do similar things.

Again, you're turning this into something it isn't. I'm not saying this Scorponok isn't official to some capacity but at the same time, I wouldn't exactly consider it part of the main Transformers brand. Just like all of those examples you give here are examples of seperate sub-lines.

[Tigermegatron]

Transformers toys don't need to be made by Hasbro or Takara tomy to be considered official & non-3rd party. All that is needed is permission & paying a license fee.

Still don't see where this is coming from... I never said it needed to be. Heck, the brand started out using figures from different franchises. I know companies license out their products all the time. However, we got onto this subject because I asked if this was a Takara-Tomy product to explain the higher than usual costs as well as for why it doesn't transform. It's not like a Transformer they or Hasbro would make. And that is because it isn't one of their products, it's from a 3rd party company.

Nobody considers any of the Disney,device label or the CMS Corps TF themed toys as 3rd party,un-official items. If one accepts these as official companies that make official products. It would be acting Bias & prejustice not to accept Sentinel but accept others who do similar things.

Again, you're turning this into something it isn't. I'm not saying this Scorponok isn't official to some capacity but at the same time, I wouldn't exactly consider it part of the main Transformers brand. Just like all of those examples you give here are examples of seperate sub-lines.

The term,"3rd party" is a incorrect name to assign to a company that does things the legal way by asking permission & paying a license fee. After all nobody called "Mattel",a 3rd party company,when they did those Beverly Hills 90210 themed dolls.

Even if Tomy were to place there name on the box or instructions alongside Sentinel & maybe on the Scorponok toy. You would still consider it a 3rd party company that makes 3rd party products.

I grow tired of repeating the same stuff over & over. Since I can't offer anything new,I'm done here.

[Sparky Prime]

The term,"3rd party" is a incorrect name to assign to a company that does things the legal way by asking permission & paying a license fee. After all nobody called "Mattel",a 3rd party company,when they did those Beverly Hills 90210 themed dolls.

Even if Tomy were to place there name on the box or instructions alongside Sentinel & maybe on the Scorponok toy. You would still consider it a 3rd party company that makes 3rd party products.

I grow tired of repeating the same stuff over & over. Since I can't offer anything new,I'm done here.

It's a correct term, you're just not understanding the actual meaning behind it. I don't know why you seem to be confusing it with some idea that 3rd parties means that it isn't legal and licensed. Because most of the 3rd party Transformers figures don't have official licensing? That doesn't mean something can't be 3rd party and has official licensing. We're not talking about an issue of legality at all. It wouldn't matter if Tomy was to appear on the box and instructions. What makes them a 3rd party is simply that Takara-Tomy and Hasbro isn't producing and releasing this product themselves, it's a separate company doing all the work, but they have the license for it. And you wouldn't have to be repeating the same things if you'd realize what it is you're actually talking about.

[Shockwave]

I have a hard time justifying buying Transformers that don't transform to begin with but especially for that price? That's two big easy skip reasons right there. Swing and a miss, Sentinel...

[Tigermegatron]

The term,"3rd party" is a incorrect name to assign to a company that does things the legal way by asking permission & paying a license fee. After all nobody called "Mattel",a 3rd party company,when they did those Beverly Hills 90210 themed dolls.

Even if Tomy were to place there name on the box or instructions alongside Sentinel & maybe on the Scorponok toy. You would still consider it a 3rd party company that makes 3rd party products.

I grow tired of repeating the same stuff over & over. Since I can't offer anything new,I'm done here.

It's a correct term, you're just not understanding the actual meaning behind it. I don't know why you seem to be confusing it with some idea that 3rd parties means that it isn't legal and licensed. Because most of the 3rd party Transformers figures don't have official licensing? That doesn't mean something can't be 3rd party and has official licensing. We're not talking about an issue of legality at all. It wouldn't matter if Tomy was to appear on the box and instructions. What makes them a 3rd party is simply that Takara-Tomy and Hasbro isn't producing and releasing this product themselves, it's a separate company doing all the work, but they have the license for it. And you wouldn't have to be repeating the same things if you'd realize what it is you're actually talking about.

your automatically calling the "Sentinel" company a 3rd party company & calling there stuff 3rd party products. you haven't a clue what other products they release or what this company is. until you do the reserach,this "3rd party" name you keep mentioning,is a incorrect term used to decribe this company & it's products.

I tried my best to explain to you & give you several examples: Mattel often gets permission & buys temp-licenses to create various pop culture themed dolls. Mcdonalds often gets permission & pays a license fee in order to create all those mcdonalds happy meal toys. Matchbox often gets permission & pays a license fee to release all those other companies themed cars. all three of these companies in these examples are not considered 3rd party companies that release 3rd party products. so calling sentinel a 3rd party company & not these is bias & prejustice treatment. especially considering all Four companies did things the legal way by paying a license fee & asking permission.

Nobody considers CMS Corps nor Disney nor device label as 3rd party companies that release 3rd party products. So to call sentinel a 3rd party company that releases 3rd party items is being bias & prejustice.

Kenner & galoob at there times were both bought out by hasbro & functioned for a while as sub groups of Hasbro. Nobody considered the 1996 Kenner BW toys as unofficial nor 3rd party or lesser than the Hasbro named TF toys. nobody considered the Galoob titanium TF themed toys as 3rd party or KO's or unofficial or lesser than the other Hasbro named TF toys.

Hasbro is trying to grow there brands. Hasbro is encouraging other companies to grab a piece of there action. as long as these other companies ask permission & pay a license fee. Then it would be deemed wrong for fans to consider these products as 3rd party or unofficial.

If the Marvel fans & buyers can consider the Hasbro shape shifting super hero toys as non-3rd party official Super hero toys. Then we as TF fans/buyers can consider any other companies TF themed toys as official-as long as they ask permission & pay a license fee.

Hasbro oftens buys temp licenses & ask permission to create/release several summer movie theathre toy lines from other companies. nobody considers hasbro a 3rd party company nor these other companies summer movie theatre toys as 3rd party product.

[Tigermegatron]

edit & delete,It was a repeative reply. I hit the send button twice by accident.

[Sparky Prime]

your automatically calling the "Sentinel" company a 3rd party company & calling there stuff 3rd party products. you haven't a clue what other products they release or what this company is. until you do the reserach,this "3rd party" name you keep mentioning,is a incorrect term used to decribe this company & it's products.

Actually, I did look at the other products they've got listed on BBTS a few days ago when you posted the link. Don't see what that has to do with anything though. And I see you blatantly ignored everything I said in my previous posts and are still confused as to what a 3rd party is. I know what I'm talking about here and it actually is the correct use of the term, it's you that could use some research beyond that definition of a "3rd party" you found, seeing as that was a definition for Law and offered nothing relevant with any of this. Try googling something like "3rd party company" and see what result you find instead. Or better yet, let me do some of the work for you. I used to work for a company that worked for Apple so I know they have a TON of 3rd party products, and as it happens, Apple has a support page on their website explaining somewhat what 3rd party products are. And the first thing it says?: "A third-party product refers to a product that's produced by a company other than Apple."

so calling sentinel a 3rd party company & not these is bias & prejustice treatment. especially considering all Four companies did things the legal way by paying a license fee & asking permission.

It's not bias or prejudice at all. You're not understanding what the term means and how it applies in the first place. Some of the examples you're giving here are indeed considered a 3rd party in terms of business. And again, a 3rd party product doesn't mean that it wasn't made the legal way. 3rd party products can be licensed.

[Tigermegatron]

your automatically calling the "Sentinel" company a 3rd party company & calling there stuff 3rd party products. you haven't a clue what other products they release or what this company is. until you do the reserach,this "3rd party" name you keep mentioning,is a incorrect term used to decribe this company & it's products.

Actually, I did look at the other products they've got listed on BBTS a few days ago when you posted the link. Don't see what that has to do with anything though. And I see you blatantly ignored everything I said in my previous posts and are still confused as to what a 3rd party is. I know what I'm talking about and it is the correct use of the term, it's you that could use some research beyond the first definition of a "3rd party" you found, seeing as that was a definition for Law and had nothing to do with this. Try googling something like "3rd party company" and see what you find instead. Or better yet, let me do some of the work for you. I used to work for a company that worked for Apple so I know they have a TON of 3rd party products and as it happens, Apple has a support page explaining somewhat what 3rd party products are. And the first thing it says?: "A third-party product refers to a product that's produced by a company other than Apple."

so calling sentinel a 3rd party company & not these is bias & prejustice treatment. especially considering all Four companies did things the legal way by paying a license fee & asking permission.

It's not bias or prejudice at all. You're not understanding what the term means and how it applies in the first place. Some of the examples you're giving here are indeed considered a 3rd party in terms of business. And again, a 3rd party product doesn't mean that it wasn't made the legal way. 3rd party products can be licensed.

You are still wrong & I am still right. per all the examples I gave in this thread. Mattel,Matchbox,Hasbro & mcdonalds are not considered 3rd party companies when they ask for permission & pay a license fee to create+sell other companies merchandise.

days ago,I did look up the term 3rd party on several wiki & definations sites. So I know hundreds of possible different definations.

You are confusing the toy market with the electronics market in regards to 3rd party products/companies,both function different.

A few examples of 3rd party for the electronics is as follows: 1- another company sells Lexmark Printer Ink Cartridges for $10 bucks less,even though Lexmark sells ink cartridges. 2- 3rd parties are allowed to create official computer accessories for liscensed products,buyers have the choice to substitue there mouses,key boards,computer screen,for higher or lower prices. a high percentage of the time they don't ask permission nor pay any license fee to other companies. 3- 3rd party companies that sell other companies gaming console accessories,like controlers,add-on weapons/gear are compatible/replace other companies licensed gaming console accessories/gear. often times these 3rd party companies do not ask permission nor do they pay they licensed companies any license fees.

The toy market is vastly different than the electronics market. You obviously do not know all the definations of what a 3rd party/unofficial is because you incorrectly labeled the "Sentinel" company/products. Sentinel does things the legal way they ask permission & pay license fees. most electronics companies who try to substitue other companies computer or gaming accessories do no ask permission no do the pay any license fees.

Sentinel is not a 3rd party company nor are there products 3rd party/unofficial for the following reasons. 1- Sentinel ask permission & pays a license fee to other companies. 2- Sentinel is not creating any complimentary type add-on weapons,accessories,gear for existing products that are made by other companies. 3- Sentinel does not create any substitution type products that are cheaper/inferior or exspensive/superior to the original other companies products. 4- Sentinel is not a 3rd party company nor are any of there products 3rd party because they ask permission,get a license fee,there products are not campaitable with other companies products,they don't create any add ons,no replacements,etc...

The main reasons why all these 3rd party not-TF companies all got the defination 3rd party,was due to most of them in the pioneer/first few years all making add-on accessories/weapons/gear to compliment existing other companies licensed figures toys. these companies were giving buyers the choices of swapping out official accessories for there stuff or adding stuff that was somewhat compatibale to the licensed other companies figures.

Sentinel is not a 3rd party company nor are there products. Because sentinel doesn't try to make stuff to be cross compatible with other companies figures/products as far as add-on goes,or similar aesthetics designs goes. Sentinel does not do any 3rd party vendering of licensed companies products in other countries that don't sell the licensed products. nothing about sentinel is illegial,as they try to follow the law,pay license fee.

licensed companies often try to grow there brands. this happens when other companies ask permission,pay a license fee & then create stuff on there own.

having other companies approach a licensed company & ask permission then pay a liscense fee doesn't turn that company & it's products into 3rd party. examples: Hasbro often sells marvels & DC's summer theathre super hero toys under the Hasbro logo & make the toys from scratch,this does not upset marvel/dc fans & they don't consider the hasbro stuff as 3rd party,ko,inferior & they don't start calling hasbro a 3rd party company.

mattel,matchbox,mcdonals also ask permission & pay license fees to sell other companies themed stuff by creating newer merchandise under there company logo. none of these companies get the defination/term "3rd party" company/products.

PERHAPS The ultimate example I can give you is as follows: various imports internet sites do not call sentinel,cms corps,device label,disney cross-overs TF toys by the 3rd party name/products <----- these companies I listed in this paragrapgh are not listed under any of the 3rd party sections on the various internet import sites from BBTS,Captured prey,tfsource,etc...

Personally,I'd take the definations/terms from internet import sites before I take terms/definations from internet fans. if BBTS doesn't consider sentinel a 3rd party company & doesn't call there products 3rd party,then I & other internet fans won't. Sentinel,CMS corps & device label are not listed in the 3rd party catergory listing on the BBTS,Captured prey,tfsource sections on there sites,so this means they are not 3rd party companies nor are there products 3rd party products.

official products/companies in the legal sense,are those companies that operate within the set guidelines of rules,they pay license fees,they ask permission,they create new stuff on there own. they don't try look for loopholes in the laws & attempt to make illegial profits off of someone else's Intellectual property. as long as sentinel asked permission,paid the license fees,make there own full sized figures from scratch,the company & it's products are official & non-3rd party.