TF Views

Tigermegatron wrote:

Shockwave wrote:

Tigermegatron wrote:

Sparky Prime wrote:I'd also really like to see Trypticon as a Titan class figure personally. Being Metroplex's rival from G1 makes him a good choice as a Decepticon counterpart to him, not to mention Trypticon's recent appearances in the WFC/FoC video games as the ultimate Decepticon weapon. And because they would have to redesign and update the character for a new toy anyway, it'd be awesome if they gave him a new form, since he transforms into the Nemesis in those games.

Parents/kids that make up 95%+ of TF sales are not going to buy a Titan Trypticon $125 TF toy in decent worth while volume units.
DUE TO TRYPTICON NOT HAVING A HUMANOID SHAPED MODE.

Having a humanoid mode means Hasbro can cram 30+articulated moving joints in to make it almost MP Level of poseabilty thus worth the Titan $125 price tag in hasbro's & buyers eyes.

Whether or not his bot mode is humanoid or not is irrelevant. The reason that Trypticon in G1 was so limited was because of the walking gimmick which any new version of him isn't going to have. That will free them up to give him a lot more detail, articulation and a far more complext transformation scheme, especially if they make him either a starship like Sparky suggested or an energon station like in WFC. I mean, you're basically saying that dinosaur alt modes can't be well articulated and if that's the case, MP Grimlock would like to have a word with you.

You can't compare Trypticon to Grimlock,Because Grimlock has a beast mode & a humanoid shaped mode,Trypticon has no humanoid shaped mode.

Having Trypticon Transform from beast mode to space ship mode to city mode,Means the toy is basically an ALTS MODES TOY & Has no humanoid mode in parents/kids view point. The majority of parents/kids are not going to spend $125+ on a Titan sized TF toy that has no humanoid mode.

For the purposes of this discussion I asbolutely can compare them. You're basically trying to sell me on the idea that Trypticon's Dino mode is limited in articulation because it's a dinosaur and not a "human". Which is provably wrong. Just like the next statement you made. Giant. Robot. Dinosaurs. That's not a combination that ever just sits on the toy shelves for very long. I even had one of the Toys R Us employees tell me that when I bought MP Grimlock.

Shockwave wrote:

Tigermegatron wrote:

Shockwave wrote:

Tigermegatron wrote:

Sparky Prime wrote:I'd also really like to see Trypticon as a Titan class figure personally. Being Metroplex's rival from G1 makes him a good choice as a Decepticon counterpart to him, not to mention Trypticon's recent appearances in the WFC/FoC video games as the ultimate Decepticon weapon. And because they would have to redesign and update the character for a new toy anyway, it'd be awesome if they gave him a new form, since he transforms into the Nemesis in those games.

Parents/kids that make up 95%+ of TF sales are not going to buy a Titan Trypticon $125 TF toy in decent worth while volume units.
DUE TO TRYPTICON NOT HAVING A HUMANOID SHAPED MODE.

Having a humanoid mode means Hasbro can cram 30+articulated moving joints in to make it almost MP Level of poseabilty thus worth the Titan $125 price tag in hasbro's & buyers eyes.

Whether or not his bot mode is humanoid or not is irrelevant. The reason that Trypticon in G1 was so limited was because of the walking gimmick which any new version of him isn't going to have. That will free them up to give him a lot more detail, articulation and a far more complext transformation scheme, especially if they make him either a starship like Sparky suggested or an energon station like in WFC. I mean, you're basically saying that dinosaur alt modes can't be well articulated and if that's the case, MP Grimlock would like to have a word with you.

You can't compare Trypticon to Grimlock,Because Grimlock has a beast mode & a humanoid shaped mode,Trypticon has no humanoid shaped mode.

Having Trypticon Transform from beast mode to space ship mode to city mode,Means the toy is basically an ALTS MODES TOY & Has no humanoid mode in parents/kids view point. The majority of parents/kids are not going to spend $125+ on a Titan sized TF toy that has no humanoid mode.

For the purposes of this discussion I asbolutely can compare them. You're basically trying to sell me on the idea that Trypticon's Dino mode is limited in articulation because it's a dinosaur and not a "human". Which is provably wrong. Just like the next statement you made. Giant. Robot. Dinosaurs. That's not a combination that ever just sits on the toy shelves for very long. I even had one of the Toys R Us employees tell me that when I bought MP Grimlock.

Towards Sparky & Shockwave,well just have to agree to Disagree.

Sorry,I have already Stated everything I had to say on this topic,anything more would just be repeating stuff over & over.

While you Two guys might like to enjoy debatting "in the beat the dead horse into a ground format",where you overly repeat the same things,I don't enjoy partaking in this debate style format. I just have better things to do with my time+energy.

Y'ok. It's a free country and you have the right to be wrong

Shockwave wrote:Y'ok. It's a free country and you have the right to be wrong

Agree to disagree means we both think were "right" & can't agree with each others opinions.

Tigermegatron wrote:

Shockwave wrote:Y'ok. It's a free country and you have the right to be wrong

Agree to disagree means we both think were "right" & can't agree with each others opinions.

I know I was joking with you (hence the smiley face). I would never say that to anyone with any real seriousness. It's ok, you can laugh at that, after all it's a free country and I have the right to be wrong too.

Which Titan-sized figure would get my money? Tryptic on all the way. City, dino, and sure, tie into the he andake a spaceship mode. Holy shit, that'd be amazing

Or, I guess, Scorponok would be pretty legit, too. Especially if they kept the original color scheme. Man, what do you think they could do with the Headmaster gimmick with a figure that big these days?

Tigermegatron wrote:1- On message forums,other members often debate other members ideas/wish list. You've debatted my ideas,so why can't I debate yours.

There is a bit of a difference between debating an idea and saying it wont happen for something I frankly don't see as any reason why it wouldn't sell.

2- Hasbro has a high track record of releasing the extremly huge/super exspensive TF toys around august of any year. This is done,to squeeze in this huge/exspensive TF toy into most store Christmas shelves/pegs resets.

High track record? They've put out, what, maybe around 4 or 5 $100 figures in the last 7 years, with the average being quite a bit cheaper than that? I wouldn't call that a high track record. And they've certainly never had a $125 figure before.

2a- Parents have a high track record of buying their kids huge & exspensive toys during the Christmas buying season months. THIS IS WHY MOST SUPREME/BIGGER TF TOYS ARE MADE LESS COMPLEX IN TRANSFORMATION & HAVE THICKER PLASTIC AS IT'S MORE AIMED FOR YOUNGER KIDS AS THEIR ULTIMATE HUGE+EXSPENSIVE CHRISTMAS PRESENT.

I didn't say there wouldn't be any parents buying it for their kids. But with that high of a price tag, I don't think you can expect 95%+ of the sales going to them either. The Generations line certainly is meant to appeal to kids, but you can't deny they have the collectors in mind with it as well.

Having Trypticon Transform from beast mode to space ship mode to city mode,Means the toy is basically an ALTS MODES TOY & Has no humanoid mode in parents/kids view point. The majority of parents/kids are not going to spend $125+ on a Titan sized TF toy that has no humanoid mode.

I still don't understand your reasoning behind this. Why wouldn't people buy a transforming robot dinosaur? That's pretty a pretty cool within itself, and as Shockwave said earlier, is a pretty good combination to sell a toy pretty quickly. Plenty of people bought the original G1 Trypticon in the first place didn't they? And being a dinosaur doesn't mean articulation would suffer, as it would need different articulation points for that form regardless of having a humanoid form or not. I just don't see any reason why not having a humanoid form would hinder the sale of this type of figure like you're suggesting.

GIANT STARSCREAM!!! What, that's already been done and it sucked and made no sense? Oh, right.

I'd go with Trypticon, I like the way his city mode looks quite a bit, and his vehicle mode has promise. Just add modern articulation and better sculpting to the dino mode so it's not as Zoids-y, and you've got yourself a winner. Plus he was in WFC as an actual character and a real threat, and in FOC as a plot point, which helps bolster his cred.

Tigermegatron wrote:

Sparky Prime wrote:I'd also really like to see Trypticon as a Titan class figure personally. Being Metroplex's rival from G1 makes him a good choice as a Decepticon counterpart to him, not to mention Trypticon's recent appearances in the WFC/FoC video games as the ultimate Decepticon weapon. And because they would have to redesign and update the character for a new toy anyway, it'd be awesome if they gave him a new form, since he transforms into the Nemesis in those games.

Parents/kids that make up 95%+ of TF sales are not going to buy a Titan Trypticon $125 TF toy in decent worth while volume units.
DUE TO TRYPTICON NOT HAVING A HUMANOID SHAPED MODE.

Having a humanoid mode means Hasbro can cram 30+articulated moving joints in to make it almost MP Level of poseabilty thus worth the Titan $125 price tag in hasbro's & buyers eyes.

Yeah, what could kids possibly see in a humongous dinosaur robot toy that transforms into a city and a vehicle? Can't imagine that having any appeal. <-- that is sarcasm, in case it wasn't clear enough.

Sparky Prime wrote:And really, how many parents are going to be willing to spend $125 on one toy, or kids that have that much money to spend? I mean, with that high of a price tag, you're probably not going to be looking at 95%+ of the sales of the Titan Class going to parents/kids in general.

I think Hasbro's actually expecting most sales on big toys like this to go to parents and gift-givers, like 2/3 or 3/4, that's why they're almost exclusive launched around the holiday season. That's been the expectation and yield when they do big stuff in the Star Wars brand anyway, despite it being another collector-driven line.

Tigermegatron wrote:2a- Parents have a high track record of buying their kids huge & exspensive toys during the Christmas buying season months. THIS IS WHY MOST SUPREME/BIGGER TF TOYS ARE MADE LESS COMPLEX IN TRANSFORMATION & HAVE THICKER PLASTIC AS IT'S MORE AIMED FOR YOUNGER KIDS AS THEIR ULTIMATE HUGE+EXSPENSIVE CHRISTMAS PRESENT.

It's not that simple, larger toys are harder to manipulate for anybody, young or old, but there's also the issue of carrying the weight of the toy, a larger toy needs less moving parts and those parts have to bear more weight.


WHY HAVE THERE NOT BEEN ROBOT BEAR TITAN TRANSFORMERS YET?!? GODLESS KILLING MACHINES FROM OUTER SPACE!

JediTricks wrote:I think Hasbro's actually expecting most sales on big toys like this to go to parents and gift-givers, like 2/3 or 3/4, that's why they're almost exclusive launched around the holiday season. That's been the expectation and yield when they do big stuff in the Star Wars brand anyway, despite it being another collector-driven line.

I don't doubt it'd be a big gift-giver item, I'm just saying I doubt 95%+ of the sales will be from parents/kids, like the rest of the toyline, when the thing is $125. Even you're essentially saying 67% or 75% here.

If Takara gives Titan Trypticon a robot mode that transforms into a T-rex & Splits down to middle to form a city mode,I think this would be a better idea & would probably have a higher succcess rate of selling more volume units from parents/kids. Takara could borrow the robot design From the 1990's Brave toy line "Goldran" toy. http://www.collectiondx.com/toy_review/2008/goldran

At the very least giving Titan sized Trypticon a Robot mode would allow Takara to cram in loads of poseable joints & make it almost MP Level of poseabilty.

I'd be willing to buy a $125 Titan Trypticon that had a robot mode,a T-Rex mode & a City mode.

I & the majority won't be interested in spending $125+ for a Titan Trypticon that transformed from T-Rex,then into a space ship mode then into a city mode. I don't even think it's possible for such a toy to transform back & forth into these modes,at best they'd all look like garbage & have excessible kibble on them from the other modes.