MP TF's should get released in 2 different toy sizes

[Shockwave]

And it's been like that for a long time. Even the original Nintendo followed a pattern of "wait long enough and it'll be cheap". The video game industry really just makes the bulk of it's money on people who are impatient and need to have the latest and greatest "RIGHT NOW!" while the rest of us are willing to wait to spend less money. This is primarily why I don't have a PS3 yet, I'm essentially waiting for it to get cheaper. By the time it does all the games I'll want will also be dirt cheap.

[Tigermegatron]

Currently Hasbro for the TF toy lines for the past few years,Has been releasing certain character TF toys in various sizes/price points. sure there new molds but these aren't hurting sales nor having any negative effects on the brand.

FWIW,Only the hard core on-line Fans know advanced toy info. Parents & toddler/kids don't know any advanced TF toys info. So if Hasbro were to release MP Grimlock at the leader size scale & 6+months to a year+later release MP Grimlock at the voyager sizer scale,parents/kids won't know in advance about it,thus the sales are not hurt nor do the different sized figures cannibalize each other.

[Shockwave]

I'm still kind of wondering what the point would be. I mean, why would Hasbro release a voyager version of a larger toy they released 6 months to a year before when they could use that tooling for something else that they haven't already sold. Like a voyager Astrotrain maybe

I also find it odd that you'd be in favor of this since you're almost constantly berating the smaller toy sizes. I'd think you'd be wanting them to be bigger.

[Tigermegatron]

I'm still kind of wondering what the point would be. I mean, why would Hasbro release a voyager version of a larger toy they released 6 months to a year before when they could use that tooling for something else that they haven't already sold. Like a voyager Astrotrain maybe

downsizing or upsizing a existing TF design is easier than creating a TF new design from scratch.

I also find it odd that you'd be in favor of this since you're almost constantly berating the smaller toy sizes. I'd think you'd be wanting them to be bigger.

In the case of MP Megatron,I thought that toy was too over sized to the extreme extent it couldn't fit in with other TF toys on display shelves. MP Megatron could benfit by being downsized to a 9 inch leader toys or 8 inch ultra toy to help the toy design better fit in with other TF toys lines.

Instead of creating a new mold Voyager for Grimlock like the FOC toy did. Takara/Hasbro should have just Downsized the MP Grimlock leader sized toy to a Voyager sized toy,So the MP design would have fitted into the Classics/Generations TF toy scale. PERSONALLY I'D RATHER BUY A VOYAGER SIZED PEFECTION MP GRIMLOCK TOY INSEAD OF BUYING A INFERIOR CUT CORNERS GENERATIONS FOC GRIMLOCK TOY OR 2009 VOYAGER GRIMLOCK TOY.

[Shockwave]

I also find it odd that you'd be in favor of this since you're almost constantly berating the smaller toy sizes. I'd think you'd be wanting them to be bigger.

In the case of MP Megatron,I thought that toy was too over sized to the extreme extent it couldn't fit in with other TF toys on display shelves. MP Megatron could benfit by being downsized to a 9 inch leader toys or 8 inch ultra toy to help the toy design better fit in with other TF toys lines.

That's... a really good point. I mean, they've already downsized Optimus Prime and produced a Rodimus Prime/Hot Rod to the new scale so it would make sense for them to now go back and redo Megatron.

Instead of creating a new mold Voyager for Grimlock like the FOC toy did. Takara/Hasbro should have just Downsized the MP Grimlock leader sized toy to a Voyager sized toy,So the MP design would have fitted into the Classics/Generations TF toy scale. PERSONALLY I'D RATHER BUY A VOYAGER SIZED PEFECTION MP GRIMLOCK TOY INSEAD OF BUYING A INFERIOR CUT CORNERS GENERATIONS FOC GRIMLOCK TOY OR 2009 VOYAGER GRIMLOCK TOY.

I dunno, I liked the MP Grimlock we got. And the FoC Grimlock is a different beast altogether. No pun intended. That's like comparing granny smith apples to Macintosh. They're similar in that they're still apples, but they have different color, sizes and tastses. Same with the Grimlocks. They're both robot dinosaurs. But they are from different genres meaning different sizes, colors and level of details.

[Tigermegatron]

I dunno, I liked the MP Grimlock we got.

So did I.

When I say,I want MP Grimlock downsized at a Voyager size. I'm Saying I want to own Two different size scaled toys for MP Grimlock.
The Leader sized MP Grimlock is a perfect size scale to square off against other leader sized different characters toys from AEC & The movie-verse. While I think a Voyager sized MP Grimlock would be the perfect size scale to square off against Classics/Generations TF toys on display shelves.

[Onslaught Six]

I'm still kind of wondering what the point would be. I mean, why would Hasbro release a voyager version of a larger toy they released 6 months to a year before when they could use that tooling for something else that they haven't already sold. Like a voyager Astrotrain maybe

downsizing or upsizing a existing TF design is easier than creating a TF new design from scratch.

You might save a little bit of R&D costs, because the basic transformation is already figured out, but take note: If you make a larger design smaller, you have to accommodate for its smaller size by reducing every part of it--and sometimes large toys--especially Masterpieces!--have tiny pieces that would break if they were 1:1 downsized. You'll have to take into account that the screws will almost always have to be the same size.

If it's the other way around, you run the risk of getting a boring-ass toy, like Supreme Starscream from Cybertron.

The Leader sized MP Grimlock is a perfect size scale to square off against other leader sized different characters toys from AEC & The movie-verse. While I think a Voyager sized MP Grimlock would be the perfect size scale to square off against Classics/Generations TF toys on display shelves.

I STILL don't understand this. Most of the other Masterpiece toys, sure, but Grimlock is already supposed to be retardedly huge.

I mean, damn, this STILL looks about right. (Grimlock here would be about as big as a G1 Jetfire. Sounds about right. Perfect size to beat the crap out of Shockwave.)
http://www.allspark.com/albums/Masterpi ... ck_074.jpg

[JediTricks]

And it's been like that for a long time. Even the original Nintendo followed a pattern of "wait long enough and it'll be cheap". The video game industry really just makes the bulk of it's money on people who are impatient and need to have the latest and greatest "RIGHT NOW!" while the rest of us are willing to wait to spend less money. This is primarily why I don't have a PS3 yet, I'm essentially waiting for it to get cheaper. By the time it does all the games I'll want will also be dirt cheap.

Off the main topic, but now is a really good time to get a PS3, the price is way down and the newest model (it's the 3rd total redesign) is WAY more energy efficient which equals ongoing savings. Before the PS4 comes out means that triple-A multiplayer games will still be well populated too.

Currently Hasbro for the TF toy lines for the past few years,Has been releasing certain character TF toys in various sizes/price points. sure there new molds but these aren't hurting sales nor having any negative effects on the brand.

FWIW,Only the hard core on-line Fans know advanced toy info. Parents & toddler/kids don't know any advanced TF toys info. So if Hasbro were to release MP Grimlock at the leader size scale & 6+months to a year+later release MP Grimlock at the voyager sizer scale,parents/kids won't know in advance about it,thus the sales are not hurt nor do the different sized figures cannibalize each other.

Different sizes are meant to appeal to different demographics. They put Optimus Prime in Cyberverse and in Voyager because they know that the kids who want OP but can't afford $22 for a Voyager might be able to swing $10 for a Cyberverse Commander. They aren't aiming for the same market though, Hasbro doesn't expect that the same market that buys a Legion figure will also follow that character into larger pricepoints.

We're talking about MP, kids market buyers aren't a core market in this case, MP is for fans and fans generally follow the brand on the internet to some degree.

downsizing or upsizing a existing TF design is easier than creating a TF new design from scratch.

Not really, especially with safety-conscious Hasbro involved. I explained this earlier in the thread, but you generally have to redesign the figure to ensure parts don't break from scaling down, and why cut new tooling to repeat what you've just done?

In the case of MP Megatron,I thought that toy was too over sized to the extreme extent it couldn't fit in with other TF toys on display shelves. MP Megatron could benfit by being downsized to a 9 inch leader toys or 8 inch ultra toy to help the toy design better fit in with other TF toys lines.

Scaled down Megatron, the shoulders, ankles, hips, a lot of the transformation hinges, and a lot of the kibble joints would not pass any drop test at all, much less a stringent one like Hasbro's. I think a 3rd party did a scaled down MP Megs and had to redesign EVERYTHING and it still was delicate. Also, laws have changed and a realistic-sized gun toy would be a bigger problem than it used to be in both countries.

Instead of creating a new mold Voyager for Grimlock like the FOC toy did. Takara/Hasbro should have just Downsized the MP Grimlock leader sized toy to a Voyager sized toy,So the MP design would have fitted into the Classics/Generations TF toy scale. PERSONALLY I'D RATHER BUY A VOYAGER SIZED PEFECTION MP GRIMLOCK TOY INSEAD OF BUYING A INFERIOR CUT CORNERS GENERATIONS FOC GRIMLOCK TOY OR 2009 VOYAGER GRIMLOCK TOY.

But FOC is the flavor of the moment, the line is meant to bring video game fans into the brand as much as it is to reward TF fans who liked the game, why the fuck would any of them want MP Grimlock at Voyager scale to represent the FOC character? And your reply to Shocky's post is dishonest, you said clearly Lil MP "INSTEAD OF" FOC Voy, it's right there.

That's... a really good point. I mean, they've already downsized Optimus Prime and produced a Rodimus Prime/Hot Rod to the new scale so it would make sense for them to now go back and redo Megatron.

You resize Megatron and then you have to resize MP Hot Rod down to a size between Sideswipe and MP-10 Optimus.


And none of this is doing a good job explaining why Hasbro would want to fracture their existing collector market along those 2 lines, and where the revenues would be to cut all that new steel tooling and design out safe product that looks good at both scales.

[Shockwave]

That's... a really good point. I mean, they've already downsized Optimus Prime and produced a Rodimus Prime/Hot Rod to the new scale so it would make sense for them to now go back and redo Megatron.

You resize Megatron and then you have to resize MP Hot Rod down to a size between Sideswipe and MP-10 Optimus.

How so? I thought the MP Rodimus was already designed with two robot heights, a shorter one for "Hot Rod" and then a taller more mature looking "Rodimus" mode that's the same size as MP 10 Prime? I don't have that figure so I don't know for sure, but I seem to recall online photos showing that.

[Onslaught Six]

But FOC is the flavor of the moment, the line is meant to bring video game fans into the brand as much as it is to reward TF fans who liked the game, why the fuck would any of them want MP Grimlock at Voyager scale to represent the FOC character?

Deathy likes to pretend that brand divisions just don't exist. To him, FOC Grimlock isn't a specific iteration of a character--it's just A Grimlock.

To be fair, this is also how I sometimes view the brand, but that's because I care less and less about some of the ancillary media being published. I don't care if FOC Grimlock looks anything like Grimlock in FOC--I care that he's a good Grimlock toy.