TF4 robots Re-designs,can't be any worse than DOTM toys.

[Sparky Prime]

Then Hasbro/Takara needs to Understand what works in the movies doesn't work in the toy lines/stores. Hasbro needs to create slightly different/more beautiful movie toy designs,so they sell better in stores.

Just because you didn't like the look of the Transformers from the movies doesn't mean they didn't work for the toy lines... The movie toy lines actually sold very well according to Hasbro's quarterly profit reports during those years. Especially the Revenge of the Fallen toy line in 2009.

[Tigermegatron]

You can't count the yellowbox HFTD toys with ROTF--it was a separate toyline, and was produced over a full year after the movie came out. It didn't even start until 2010. It may have been a "sequel" or "interquel" line but it doesn't mean it's actually part of that toyline.

ofcause it counts. in the same vein that the following count.
1- Beastwars,Transmetals,fuzors & Transmetals 2 were all a part of Beastwars.
2- Armada & the Unicron Battles were all part of one toy line.
3- Energon & the Power linx Battles were all part of one toy line.
4- TFP Prime & Beast Hunters count as part of one toy line.
5- Beastmachines,Beast riders,deployers,Dinobots & battle for the All spark count as part of one toy line.
6- ROTF,Nest Alliance & HFTD count as part of one toy line. Because they all existed in the same toy/movie universe,as is the evidence of the BIO's stories on the packaging linking the newer HFTD toys to the older characters toys that appeared in the ROTF & Nest toy lines.

[Onslaught Six]

HFTD did not share a budget with ROTF. You can't...it's Energon to ROTF's Armada.

[Tigermegatron]

HFTD did not share a budget with ROTF. You can't...it's Energon to ROTF's Armada.

Ofcause it did,in the same way TF Prime FE,TF Prime Rid & TF Prime BH all share the same toy line.

Those HFTD Character bios mentions rival conflicts with ROTF & Nest character toys,so there in the same toy line universe.

[Onslaught Six]

...but "RID" and the First Edition toys don't share a budget, the same way Beast Hunters doesn't share one with the "RID" toys.

Beast Hunters is currently releasing "Wave 1." If it were the same toyline as Prime, the Deluxes would be up to Wave 6 or 7 or something like that. The same way HFTD (which, I'll remind you, was released under 'entirely different coloured packaging' and 'only named Transformers') started with Wave 1.

Meanwhile, the NEST ROTF subline continued the wave numbering--Bludgeon was part of Wave 5 or something like that.

[Tigermegatron]

...but "RID" and the First Edition toys don't share a budget, the same way Beast Hunters doesn't share one with the "RID" toys.

Beast Hunters is currently releasing "Wave 1." If it were the same toyline as Prime, the Deluxes would be up to Wave 6 or 7 or something like that. The same way HFTD (which, I'll remind you, was released under 'entirely different coloured packaging' and 'only named Transformers') started with Wave 1.

Meanwhile, the NEST ROTF subline continued the wave numbering--Bludgeon was part of Wave 5 or something like that.

HFTD is linked to ROTF in the movie verse based off the bio's words on the HFTD toy boxes. Which has some of the HFTD character box bios fueding with rivals from the ROTF movie-verse.

Case assortments waves are adjusted by the companies based off how successful they think they can trick the retailers into buying there products. In these bad ecocomic times,companies have had to lie,cheat & steal in order to fool retailers into ordering higher volume of there products.

Sometimes Companies like Hasbro adjust there assorment waves based off a new year or sometimes based off the lines start to finish. This strategy always changes based off the current marketing team decisions.

Retailers order more product when they think the line is new,often times retailers order less product when the line gets old. Companies like Hasbro often add secondary banners to a existing toy line in order to fool retailers into thinking the entire line is brand new,thus the retailers order higher volume. THIS IS WHY SECONDARY ADDED BANNERS EXIST,IT'S A COMPANY MARKETING TOOL.

Secondary Banners in a toy line are not created for the OCD fans/buyers,so they can better categorize there toy collections in there storage boxes or display shelves. "SECONDARY BANNERS IN A TOY LINE ARE CREATED BY THE COMPANIES FOR THE SOLE PURPOSE OF TRICKING THE RETAILERS INTO THINKING THE PRODUCT THERE ORDERING FROM THIS LINE IS BRAND NEW. BECAUSE RETAILERS ORDER MORE VOLUME IN THE EARLIER TOY LINES WAVES & LESS VOLUME IN THE OLDER WAVES. RETAILERS FEEL BASED OFF THERE STUDIES THAT WHEN A LINE GETS OLD BUYERS LOOSE INTERST. IF HASBRO WERE TO LIST NEWER ASSORTMENT WAVES LIKE: WAVE 25 OR WAVE 16,THEN RETAILERS WOULD ORDER LESS AUTOMATICALLY THINKING THERE GOING TO WARM PEGS/SHELVES LONGER THAN EARLIER WAVES DO. USUALLY THE EARLIER WAVES GET ORDERED IN HIGHER VOLUME,OLDER WAVES GET ORDERED IN LOWER VOLUME."

Having a Secondary banner often re-adjust the case assortment words info in the hasbro & retail stores computers. Thus the trick of the fooled newer toy line coupled with the tricked/fooled brand newer number start assortment waves. BECAUSE RETAILERS ORDR MORE PRODUCT WHEN THEY THINK THE TOY LINE IS NEW & RETAILERS ALWAYS ORDER MORE OF THE FIRST & TWO WAVES.

The casual retailers like CVS,Rite aid,Wal-greens,Kohls,etc.. Don't order the entire toy line,they generally always order the first wave or two,then stop ordering,then they randomally order later waves but not all the assortment waves. By adding a secondary banner Hasbro has a high success rate of tricking these casual retailers into ordering the first wave or 2,as they have a high success rate of ordering wave 1 & 2.

[Onslaught Six]

Okay, how about this--do you consider the 2010 Generations toyline and the current Generations toyline to be the same? There was an entire two years between them, and they're very noticably different toylines.

Would you count how many deluxes were released in the 2010 Generations toyline and the current one in the same number, if you were comparing lines? Say you were comparing Generations to the 2007 Movie toyline, for example.

[Tigermegatron]

Okay, how about this--do you consider the 2010 Generations toyline and the current Generations toyline to be the same? There was an entire two years between them, and they're very noticably different toylines.

Would you count how many deluxes were released in the 2010 Generations toyline and the current one in the same number, if you were comparing lines? Say you were comparing Generations to the 2007 Movie toyline, for example.

Hasbro doesn't create these TF toy lines to cater to OCD fans,so they can figure out how to categorize their toys in storage or on display shelves.

The current Hasbro strategy team could care less about hard core OCD fans who buy years worth of TF toys & catergorize everything. adult fans are not the target audience,kids are.

[Onslaught Six]

You're the one who sits there counting how many Voyagers there are in every line!

EDIT: Here's the thing--I realize that Hasbro might internally consider HFTD an extension of the ROTF toyline. MY POINT is that the HFTD toyline extension MAKES THE TOYLINE INHERENTLY LONGER. Even if we stupidly assume that ROTF, NEST and HFTD all comprise "one" toyline, that means that toyline lasted from about May 2009 to late 2010--a little over a year and a half. (I'm assuming we aren't counting the second half of the yellowbox toyline, Reveal The Shield, or else we'd easily have two years on our hands.)

DOTM, in comparison, lasted about six months before the last Deluxe waves were cancelled--and no new Voyager waves were ever announced, so they were never cancelled along with them.

So obviously, that toyline is going to have more fucking toys in it. It was longer.

[Tigermegatron]

EDIT: Here's the thing--I realize that Hasbro might internally consider HFTD an extension of the ROTF toyline. MY POINT is that the HFTD toyline extension MAKES THE TOYLINE INHERENTLY LONGER. Even if we stupidly assume that ROTF, NEST and HFTD all comprise "one" toyline, that means that toyline lasted from about May 2009 to late 2010--a little over a year and a half. (I'm assuming we aren't counting the second half of the yellowbox toyline, Reveal The Shield, or else we'd easily have two years on our hands.)

DOTM, in comparison, lasted about six months before the last Deluxe waves were cancelled--and no new Voyager waves were ever announced, so they were never cancelled along with them.

So obviously, that toyline is going to have more fucking toys in it. It was longer.

Before the Economy went down hill during the AEC years,Armada had a 18 month toy line,Energon had a 18 month toy line & Cybertron had a 18 month toy line.

ROTF,Nest,HFTD & RTS DID NOT all finish wrapping up/end in 2 years from may 2009 thru may 2011. Because RTS stopped making newer products in stores around late January 2011. if you take RTS out of the equation,HFTD stopped making newer product that got released in stores before August 2010,Which makes ROTF,NEST & HFTD all together in stores for under 15 months.

DOTM only ended early in America. in other overseas asian countries & Japan the DOTM line was longer than 6 months because they got the cancelled DOTM waves toys & repaints/retools the USA never got.