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Sparky wrote:Not seeing where you're seeing a bear in the figure. It certainly has some elements that looks like a vulture, but given all of the Predacons for the Beast Hunters line are dragons, that's probably what this is supposed to be as well.
Much as I hate to admit that Tigger was right about something, this apparently comes from Hasbro's panel at Toyfair:
Hasbro panel via TFwiki wrote:Grimwing is an Ursagryph (a combination of bear and falcon), stated to be designer Lenny Panzica's favorite mythological creature. Panzica specifically requested the audience be informed of this fact.
So yeah. There's definitely some bear influence in the body of the creature, while the head is all bird.

This line needs some damn *wyverns*!
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An Ursagryph hrm? Certainly doesn't look like a falcon and a bear to me. Looks more like a vulture mixed with a dragon. And seems odd when all of the other Predacons in the line are dragons...
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Sparky Prime wrote:An Ursagryph hrm? Certainly doesn't look like a falcon and a bear to me. Looks more like a vulture mixed with a dragon. And seems odd when all of the other Predacons in the line are dragons...
Hey, just sayin', this is apparently the absolute favorite mythical creature of the guy who designed the toy. Who are we to argue? I'm certainly no expert on ursagryphs.

Plus, like Tigs alluded to, it could be that they're trying to set him apart from the other 'loyal' Predacons by giving him a non-dragon altmode.
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Toy Fair was owned by Transformers, in quality if not quantity. I would have loved to have been in that room (but not in that storm!).

Metroplex looks outstanding. And working with the new Legends figures with buddy-bot-weapons is interesting too.

Bumblebee with Blazemaster, going for a Hot Shot with Jolt complete rewrite?

Voyager triple-changers Springer and TFA-inspired Blitzwing are excellent-looking.

IDW figures look great, even if they are using the new simplified design philosophy. Face on Orion Pax is the one area I don't think quite holds up to the art.

And Trailbreaker looks pretty good thrown in Generations.

Masterpiece Soundwave with all his minions confirmed, that's great.

BH gets a Shockwave that takes off his awful BH armor, like Smokescreen, now I have 2 figures in that line to buy!


It's a good thing this stuff was shown off, or I'd really have been feeling down about the brand. Beast Hunters further kills my interest, there's nothing shown that looks remotely compelling or even particularly challenging - every figure looks like a narrow variation on a singular theme. The renewed focus on Kreo does nothing for me, nor Construct-bots, and nor Bot Shots either.

BWprowl wrote: Springer...I was telling Six, Springer actually looks TOO GOOD. That toy just looks in-fucking-credible. It's a triple-changing Springer, and his two altmodes actually look like *two different altmodes*! And his robot mode looks awesome, with an amazing face-sculpt and a bitchin' sword.
Yeah, they really delivered a home run there, the altmodes made excellent use of color and shape when moving those parts around. And as much as I liked the FOC concept art for Springer, this is a good compromise, a real heli and ground vehicle.
Ditto for Ongoing Bumblebee, that's a design I never would've thought would get made! I'll have to wait for more looks at him since from what I can tell it seems he might have a lot of fake parts, but for now I can just be impressed that he exists.
Only fake parts I see are the chest.
Thrice-ditto for Orion Pax, it's amazing that legit IDW designs are getting produced as toys and sold alongside their comic books (this is a partnership that could work out well for both companies), and I hope it leads to more comic-based toys getting produced in the future.
Hasbro mentioned working with IDW for the 30th anniversary, and I think it's meant to be an ongoing thing throughout next year.

O6 wrote:I'm glad most of this is coming in the fall.

If I don't seem excited, it's because I already gushed about it on all my social media yesterday.
Thumbsup!

BWP wrote:Are you...trying to imply that Hasbro doesn't make toys of Decepticons?
I hate inserting myself into this argument, but Hasbro has been scaling back Decepticons lately, like they see us as being where the Japanese audiences were a few years ago.
Hey, not many USA Buyers knew who Black Shadow was, but that didn't stop them. Ditto Longrack way back in Cybertron, actually.
But that wasn't a massively-expensive mold, that was a deluxe, this is a Titan Class $125 piece.

Sparky wrote:Metroplex.... Wow. That has to be one of the coolest Transformers I have ever seen. The level of detail in insane. Very nice update on the character. And awesome that they made him a new Titan class figure. I'd love to see some comparison shots to get a better idea of the scale next to some other Transformers.
Agreed. There's a shot of Metro with a Legends figure, but that doesn't really tell you anything IMO. http://photos.actionfigs.com/transforme ... rmers.html
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JediTricks wrote:Toy Fair was owned by Transformers, in quality if not quantity. I would have loved to have been in that room (but not in that storm!).

Metroplex looks outstanding.
Yeah, it’s good to see them getting back into the swing of things. That Metroplex was THE talk of the show.
Masterpiece Soundwave with all his minions confirmed, that's great.
I’ll likely get this if it makes it to my neck of the woods. I thought MP Soundwave looked great, but not over $200 worth of great. Cheaper Hasbro release plus I get all the cassettes? Yes please.
It's a good thing this stuff was shown off, or I'd really have been feeling down about the brand. Beast Hunters further kills my interest, there's nothing shown that looks remotely compelling or even particularly challenging - every figure looks like a narrow variation on a singular theme. The renewed focus on Kreo does nothing for me, nor Construct-bots, and nor Bot Shots either.
I still think Hasbro’s insane for trying to run FIVE lines at once, but I’m not running the business so what do I know. I might give Construct-Bots a look, just because the idea of buildable TFs that actually transform appeals to me.
Only fake parts I see are the chest.
Yeah, but it’s the WHOLE CHEST which is supposed to be the WHOLE CAR HOOD! Hundreds of TFs have had a car hood turn into a chest before, this isn’t some crazy new idea, I don’t see why they couldn’t pull it off. I don't know that I can even chock it up to laziness, since it seems like it would be much more needlessly complex to shove an extra car-hood/chest into the toy's design, than to just...have the damn hood flip down.
Hasbro mentioned working with IDW for the 30th anniversary, and I think it's meant to be an ongoing thing throughout next year.
Yeah, I’m noticing that even the packaging on most of these acknowledges that the anniversary doesn’t even actually happen until next year. I know it’s common practice to blow your load early on ‘big’ anniversaries like this, and believe, I’ll take these toys the soonest they can put them out, but it still feels a little too premature. Then again, if stuff of this quality and scope is going to be common going into 2014, then full steam ahead!
But that wasn't a massively-expensive mold, that was a deluxe, this is a Titan Class $125 piece.
Fair point. It’s just, Hasbro has to get their investment back on this mold somehow, and they usually do that via repaints, and there’s this perfectly viable repaint of Metroplex ready to be produced…
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BWprowl wrote:I still think Hasbro’s insane for trying to run FIVE lines at once, but I’m not running the business so what do I know. I might give Construct-Bots a look, just because the idea of buildable TFs that actually transform appeals to me.
That's a good point, but it's 6 lines:
Generations
Prime: Beast Fuckers
Rescue Bots
Construct Bots
Kre-O
Bot Shots

Not including Transformers Crossovers, which are run by Star Wars and Marvel divisions.

Anyway, I guess they are thinking with the massive TF attention brought on by the movies, they are trying to take advantage of recognizability across as many markets as possible.
Young Kid - Rescue Bots
Mid-young Kid - Kre-O, Bot Shots
Older-young Kid - Construct Bots, Bot Shots, PBH
Older Kid - PBH, Generations
Adult Collector - Generations
Crazy Collector Loonies - Everything :p
Yeah, but it’s the WHOLE CHEST which is supposed to be the WHOLE CAR HOOD! Hundreds of TFs have had a car hood turn into a chest before, this isn’t some crazy new idea, I don’t see why they couldn’t pull it off. I don't know that I can even chock it up to laziness, since it seems like it would be much more needlessly complex to shove an extra car-hood/chest into the toy's design, than to just...have the damn hood flip down.
I dunno if it's laziness, it's more likely the new world order brought about by lower budgets and higher assembly costs. Instead of trying to half-ass an overly-wide and -long hood onto the chest and cut a slot out of the middle where it'll have the wrong coloring, they're just dropping it onto the back and getting the distinctive shape exactly right. The new budget means smaller scale and less assembly, this was their solution. Would I have preferred they done it a different way? Sure. Would I have wanted to pay $20 for that figure? No.
Yeah, I’m noticing that even the packaging on most of these acknowledges that the anniversary doesn’t even actually happen until next year. I know it’s common practice to blow your load early on ‘big’ anniversaries like this, and believe, I’ll take these toys the soonest they can put them out, but it still feels a little too premature. Then again, if stuff of this quality and scope is going to be common going into 2014, then full steam ahead!
I agree on both sides of that.
But that wasn't a massively-expensive mold, that was a deluxe, this is a Titan Class $125 piece.
Fair point. It’s just, Hasbro has to get their investment back on this mold somehow, and they usually do that via repaints, and there’s this perfectly viable repaint of Metroplex ready to be produced…
Again, new world order, now it's more expensive to pay for assembly so on a piece like this it's just as important to make sure not to lose more money on a prestige item. That's what this piece is, I think, an item as much to make a statement about the brand as make money, but chasing good money after lost money is a mistake. There has to be enough demand for such a repaint, and I doubt the majority of buyers are going to want to shell out $125 a second time for that.
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I predict that next year we'll get FoC Trypticon.
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Shockwave wrote:I predict that next year we'll get FoC Trypticon.
If it transforms into a huge Mechanical T-rex,the Nemesis space ship from the FOC video game,A robot mode & splits down the middle to form a city mode,then i'll buy it.

I just don't see that many veteran fans/kids wanting to buy a supreme/leader sized 2014 huge T-rex Trypticon that has only a T-rex mode,a city mode & a city mode with parts swicthed around to create a barely passable attack mode.

MIGHT AW WELL JUST BUY THE BW2ND Gigastorm or a used Trypticon from the secondary market. because there isn't much the hasbro/takara designers can do to improve this design. nobody's gonna care about the T-rex having more articulation if it has no robot mode.
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You misunderstand, I'm not saying that I'm in the market for a Trypticon and am waiting till next year hoping that hasbro will make a new one. I'm speculating that, based on this year's Metroplex reveal that next year's reveal will be Trypticon. And that it would be released under the FoC Generations line just like Metro this year. I have absolutely nothing to back this up with.
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Shockwave wrote:You misunderstand, I'm not saying that I'm in the market for a Trypticon and am waiting till next year hoping that hasbro will make a new one. I'm speculating that, based on this year's Metroplex reveal that next year's reveal will be Trypticon. And that it would be released under the FoC Generations line just like Metro this year. I have absolutely nothing to back this up with.
I understood your reply above.

I was trying to same in my other reply. That there isn't anything worthwhile or different that the Hasbro designers can do with a newer Trypticon toy design,to make it different from the 1986 toy. it's got to be different & worthwhile for buyers in 2014 to want to buy a brand newly designed Titan sized Trypticon new mold toy.

Might as well just buy the BW2ND Gigastorm/Trypticon hong kong version in a sealed box for under $100 on the secondary market. or a older 1986 Trypticon toy off of the secondary maket if you really love the character/designs.

now,if they have a T-rex that transforms into a nemesis ship, a robot mode & splits down the middle to form a city mode. These ideas designs will warrant the desire to own a newer Titan sized Trypticon toy.

Honestly at best I can see Hasbro creating a kiddie styled Cyber-verse Trypticon styled play set toy for under $34. Judging by the other movie-verse & TFP Play sets/exo-suits,the toy will be under-sculpted,missing original features & will probably be less poseable than the 1986 Trypticon toy.

Not every 1980's TF City-bot deserves the new Titan toy size class. it has to make sense & be worthwhile to translate the original 1980's toy designs into a newer Titan sized TF toy. I can certainly see a titan sized Fort max & a Titan sized Omega supreme getting created into newer toys because the original toy/media designs can properly translate into Newer Titan sized TF toys.

Hasbro always favor the good persona TF toys & give them more bigger sized TF toys. Hasbro think some parents don't buy the evil persona TF toys because they scare the younger kiddies. Titan sized TF toys like Fort max & Omega Supreme have a much higher success rate of getting newer Titan sized TF toys compared to Decepticons city/base bots like Trypticon & Scorponok.

Personally I think the 1986 Trypticon toy/media designs would be a horrible choice to get the Titan sized toy treatment. because the 1986 toy designs don't doesn't much,it's basically just a huge boxy T-rex toy that splits down the middle to form a city mode. the 3rd mode isn't really a mode as it's just slightly re-arranged city mode parts to create a attack mode.

If Hasbro gives any Decepticon City-bot a newer Titan sized TF toy,It should be Scorponok. As the Scorponok toy actually transformed into a animal mode,a robot mode & a city/repair mode. At the very least 1987 Scorponok's modes involved some transformation instead of just spiltting down the moddle like Tryticon's 1986 toy did. 1987 Trypticons 3 modes looked different from each other. With Scorponok the designers can improve on the poseabilty in both modes. EVEN THEN I HIGHLY DOUBT SCORPONOK WILL MERIT GETTING A TITAN SIZED TF TOY BECAUSE HE'S THE LEAST FAVORITE CHARACTER PERSONA/TOY OF ALL THE 1980'S USA TF CITY/BASE BOTS. CITY/BASE BOTS LIKE FORT MAX & OMEGA SUPREME STAND THE BEST CHANCE OF GETTING NEWER TITAN SIZED TF TOYS. BECAUSE OMEGA & FORT MAX HAVE more popular fan favorite persona's coupled with original 1980's TF toy/media designs that can best translate into newer Titan sized TF toys that will look good & will be equally wanted/desirable/bought.
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