I don't get it whats so special about the Onslaught persona.

[Tigermegatron]

onslaught86 chose the name because Onslaught had a cool toy, and 86 was the year he was released.

1985 was the year Generation one Onslaught's Transformers toy was released by Hasbro around the world.

[Gomess]

Yeah but what about all that stuff I said

I was kinda building off of that with my Shockwave description but maybe I shoulda quoted to make that clear.

Oh, I was addressing Tigmeg, not you. But I think he's pretty much left me in the conversational dust at this point.

[Onslaught Six]

onslaught86 chose the name because Onslaught had a cool toy, and 86 was the year he was released.

1985 was the year Generation one Onslaught's Transformers toy was released by Hasbro around the world.

Got any proof? And besides that, common knowledge puts him into the 1986 guys, the first half who are all the Scramble City dudes.

[BWprowl]

Yeah, in fact the reason onslaught86 associates the number with Onslaught is because the toy has a 1986 date stamp in the copyright information printed on it. It was the main piece of identification he had for the toy for some time before he found out the name of it (he came by it secondhand, if I recall).

[Dominic]

I made that TigerMegatron toy kitbash over 10 years ago. about 7 years ago,I got tired of it & threw it out. I never posted pics of my Tigermegatron toy kitbash on my youtube channel.

My mistake. I was thinking of the figure that used a TFA Shockwave as a base.

I guess what it comes down to is that his toy is really cool and it has a lot of things about him that you don't really see in TFs a lot now. (It's these same reasons I think FOC Onslaught is a major failing as an individual Onslaught toy--Universe 2.0 Onslaught is a much better toy of Onslaught individually. And I know what you're gonna say, Deathy--that you don't like it when combiner members get individual, non-combining toys. And on some level, I understand and agree with it--to an extent. I can also come at it from the perspective that combiner members are individuals, and sometimes could use a different toy.

Given that Hasbro's track record witih combiners has been less than stellar (to put it nicely), I am not sure that much is lost when special team members are made as non-combiner parts. Every so often, Hasbro shows promise with making combiners, but they never build on or expand on that potential. PCC could have grown in to something great, but Hasbro abandoned it. The Minicon combiners of the UT could have been the basis for excellent larger scale combiners. But, Hasbro never followed up. The new Combaticons are, to put it bluntly, insulting to both us and the people who made them.

Got any proof? And besides that, common knowledge puts him into the 1986 guys, the first half who are all the Scramble City dudes.

The moulding for the plug head combiners was pressed in the late, maybe mid, 1970s. (This is why a space shuttle was included as part of a set of *military* vehicles. The space program was a part of the Cold War as much as it was about science.)

The Combaticons, Aerialbots, Protectabots and Stunticons first appeared in season 2 of the cartoon (running from 1985 to 1986). And, they toys would have debuted at the 1985 Toy Fair.

But, the figures themselves did not show up on shelves (or in product catalogues) until 1986.


Dom
-was there for this.

[Shockwave]

And, Gomess and I have that comic pamphlet with the Special Teams on it that I'm pretty sure was produced in late 85. I remember getting that at a store for free while I was looking for Dinobots who were released in 85. I'll check the copyright on that when I get home.

[Onslaught Six]

The moulding for the plug head combiners was pressed in the late, maybe mid, 1970s. (This is why a space shuttle was included as part of a set of *military* vehicles. The space program was a part of the Cold War as much as it was about science.)

No. This is so wrong I can't begin to explain why.

Diaclone may have existed in the 70s, but the Scramble City guys and Metroplex were all actually planned to be later-run Car Robots items. Car Robots didn't even begin until 1980, with the earliest guys (Ironhide, Sunstreaker) coming out then. After 83, 84, around when Powered Convoy came out, the line was going to phase out drivers and shift to a smaller scale, ala Devastator and Raiden, due to costs. Hasbro bought up the toys, and TF happened instead.

[Tigermegatron]

The moulding for the plug head combiners was pressed in the late, maybe mid, 1970s. (This is why a space shuttle was included as part of a set of *military* vehicles. The space program was a part of the Cold War as much as it was about science.)

No. This is so wrong I can't begin to explain why.

Diaclone may have existed in the 70s, but the Scramble City guys and Metroplex were all actually planned to be later-run Car Robots items. Car Robots didn't even begin until 1980, with the earliest guys (Ironhide, Sunstreaker) coming out then. After 83, 84, around when Powered Convoy came out, the line was going to phase out drivers and shift to a smaller scale, ala Devastator and Raiden, due to costs. Hasbro bought up the toys, and TF happened instead.

Diaclone & microchange had a first year toy line run on most earlier diaclone/microchange toys. Best example of this is 1984 soundwave's multiple years stamped dates on his toy dating back from 1973/74.

The Microman/microchange toy line came out before Diaclone.

The only cancelled Diaclone toys that hasbro used were the 1985 Scramble city combiners.

06,You are partially correct,The diaclone cars & jets were released by Takara around the years 1980 thru 1982. There was no diaclone deluxe cars or deluxe jets that Hasbro used that never came out in the Diaclone toy line.

Around 1985,Hasbro ran out of Microchange & Diaclone toys so hasbro got temporary liscenses to use a few other toy lines toys as part of the 1985 TF toy line. Examples: Roadbuster,Whirl,the 4 deluxe insecticons,Omega supreme,Shockwave,Mni-bots,etc...

HERE'S SOMETHING MOST DON'T KNOW. Even though Hasbro bought the Takara liscense to distribute those microchange & diaclone toys in america in TF packaging. TOYS R US STORES IN AMERICA HAD PREVIOUSLY STRUCK A DEAL WITH ANOTHER COMPANY THAT TAKARA ALSO GAVE THE LISCENSE TO SELL MICROCHANGE & DIACLONE TOYS UNDER ANOTHER TOY LINE BANNER. For those older enough to remember,during 1984 & 1985 Their were hasbro transformers being sold along side another companies diaclone & microchange toys. THIS IS WHY HASBRO CREATED THE HEAT SENSITIVE FACTION RUB SYMBOL FROM 1985 ONWARD. Hasbro even went as far as to create commericials warning buyers against getting non-hasbro TF toys in stores,Hasbro hinted in theccommericials they were KO but that was a lie. Takara struck a deal with another toy company before hasbro for selling rights in america. My guess is the other companies liscense contract ended in 1985 but they continued to sell TRU stores in america more diaclone/microchange toys because they either had massive over stock or just kept mass producing the toys after the contract year ended because they were greedy for more profit sales.

Hasbro started creating newer TF toys molds in 1986 because there were no more decent diaclone & microchange toy molds to use.

[Onslaught Six]

06,You are partially correct,The diaclone cars & jets were released by Takara around the years 1980 thru 1982. There was no diaclone deluxe cars or deluxe jets that Hasbro used that never came out in the Diaclone toy line.

I was going to point out some stuff but then I realized that I guess I misspoke. When I said...

After 83, 84, around when Powered Convoy came out, the line was going to phase out drivers and shift to a smaller scale, ala Devastator and Raiden, due to costs. Hasbro bought up the toys, and TF happened instead.

...I meant that, had Hasbro not bought the Diaclone and Microman toyline rights and started developing TF, that the original Diaclone Scramble City toys might have actually been produced and released. Once Hasbro came along with this fancy Transformers idea, with a built-in cartoon and stuff that Takara could just import back, they cancelled the Scramble City toys. I believe a Diaclone Metroplex prototype does exist, and even got auctioned off at one point. (He was similar in colour to Metrotitan.) I didn't mean that Takara had more guys like Jazz or Prowl who they didn't release, but Hasbro did. The Scramble City guys, though, were definitely planned.

TOYS R US STORES IN AMERICA HAD PREVIOUSLY STRUCK A DEAL WITH ANOTHER COMPANY THAT TAKARA ALSO GAVE THE LISCENSE TO SELL MICROCHANGE & DIACLONE TOYS UNDER ANOTHER TOY LINE BANNER.

Just Diaclone, and if I'm not wrong, this was actually before Hasbro had the TF license at all, and they were actually released by Takara directly. The toys were called 'Diakron' and there were only six releases--Black Ironhide, Red Sunstreaker, and Blue Trailbreaker, plus all three Powerdashers and one of the Diaclone Multiforce dudes.

[Dominic]

I know that the Combaticon toys were first shown in the 1986 toy catalogue, alongside the movie characters. They were released in 1986 style packaging, not the 1985 style packaging. (Note the "sun burst" patterns on the file cards.)

I am less confident, but still reasonably so, that the plug head guys were moulded in the 70s. Do we have any reliable sources on the actual date?


Dom
-still annoyed at how out of scale Motormaster was to Prime....