The irony of the newer Optimus & Megatron toys.

[BWprowl]

That's no excuse for the Tank Drone being a basic sized figure when the tanks were among the biggest characters in the show. They could have made the toys more scale accurate if they wanted to, especially with the later waves that had more show accurate molds.

This leads to an interesting question: Why didn't they want to?

{Obligatory "Supreme Tankorr would have been an amazing toy" comment here}

[Tigermegatron]

That's no excuse for the Tank Drone being a basic sized figure when the tanks were among the biggest characters in the show. They could have made the toys more scale accurate if they wanted to, especially with the later waves that had more show accurate molds.

This leads to an interesting question: Why didn't they want to?

{Obligatory "Supreme Tankorr would have been an amazing toy" comment here}

Very rarely does a Supreme toy turn out decent. most of the time Hasbro aims it for toddlers as the ultimate huge Christmas gift. Most of the time Supreme sized TF toys are made with non-complex simplified Transformations. out of thick heavy plastic so toddlers can bang the toys against the wall/drop on the floor & they don't break. under detailed sculpts,bright kiddie friendly cheap colors,etc..

Since the Beastmachines CGI/toys for Tankor & his tank drones were so ugly & mis-proportioned. Their is no doubt in my mind a Beast machines supreme sized Tankor/tank drone would have looked as worse as supreme cheetor & BM/RID SUPREME SIZED AIR ATTACK PRIMAL. Because any BM Supreme sized Tankor/drone would have received a simplified trasformation. under sculpted & colored in toddler friendly colors. It would of been made of super thick plastic. exaggerated mis-proportioned parts,filled to the brim with super annoying lights & sounds.

I am not a fan of supreme sized TF toys because the Track record leans towards toddler themed/awful/simplified. The only Two Supreme sized TF toys that look like they were aimed at teenagers/adults is Unicron & Primus.

List of all/almost all Supreme sized TF toy & their minuses.
1- BM Supreme sized Cheetor,The worst Cheetor toy of them all. over 18 inches long in either mode. some body parts looked like a human skeleton. dentist approved human teeth in the robot head. super ugly sculpt in both modes. gimmicks that got in the way of poseabilty. ugly colors,overly simplified transformation. un-stable in robot mode. over the top super annoying lights & sounds

2-BM/Rid supreme sized air attack optimus Primal. Ugly in both modes. super ugly robot mode. weird/ugly cube in chest that rotated in chest. simplified transformation. ape butt behind the robot head.

3- AECU-Supreme sized Unicron,The best supreme sized toy hasbro created. sorta a shell former as it relies on the planet shell/robot wings to conceal/hide the robot bits in rplanet mode. not really a ball shape,more of a ball shape with a flat bottom. still the best supreme sized TF as it the most articulated moving parts & the highest adult themed sculpt. Transformation is a challenge.

4-Energon supreme sized Omega supreme. This toy is complete garbage,as it has two over sized thick plastic type play school tonka vehicles. the vehicles don't look that great. to form the robot mode all you gotta do is combine the two construction vehicles. a monkey could transform this overly simplified transformation. toy looks like a 1980's brick-formers despite having poseable limbs. the huge chest makes this toy look extremely mis-proportioned. the chest piece is beyond huge rectangular box shape with no abdomen & no waist sculpt for the robot mode. has ugly bright toddler themed colors. annoying light & sounds gimmicks. the combined omega+optimus mode looks so pathetic,looks like a last minute after thought.

5- 2005 Cybertron Supreme sized primus. Second best Supreme sized TF toy. looks great in both modes. decent transformation challenge. not as poseable as Unicron. better gimmicks & lights+sounds than unicron. high sculpted towards teenagers/adults.

6- Cybertron supreme sized Starscream. 50/50 win/lose. it's a blown up increased voyager starscream. Hasbro/Takara inflated the forearms too much & the arms needed to be longer like the voyager sized starscream toy. simplified transformation. cool high sculpt & gimmcks lights+sounds.

7-2008 Animated supreme sized Optimus Prime. this toy looks like it was made for 2-3 years olds/toddlers. as it has a auto-transform gimmick. thick plastic,under detailed ugly sculpt. simplified transformation. badly placed over sized truck bumper on the robot mode waist plate. super annoying gimmcks/lights/sounds.

8-ROTF Supreme sized Devestator,7 huge thick plastic tonka play school styled vehicles. vehicles don't transform into individual robot modes. overly simplified transformations/combination. filled to the brim with toddler annoying gimmicks/lights/sounds. combined gestalt robot mode is very unstable due to the weirdly sculpted/engineered distorted bent chicken legs. limited poseable,no poseabilty in the head at all. legs have poseable joints but poses can't be done due to the top heavy robot mode & distorted bent chicken legs.

9-Dotm supreme sized Optimus Prime. Only good decent thing about this toy is the smaller ultra sized truck cab/robot optimus toy that comes with this set,everything else is down hill. the Trailer/suit of armor is complete garbage in both modes. suit of armor has next to none poseabilty,it's a brick former,it takes away poseabilty/restricts poseabilty from the ultra sized optimus robot toy. mech tech weapon is over sized,too heavy & weighs down the robot mode. had the suit of armor been super poseable it would have been awesome but it not so it's awful.

The reasons I love the Leader size class so much is because Hasbro/Takara aims this size class at Teenagers/Adults. due to the complex transformations. over detailed adult themed sculpts,adult themed colors. decent proportioned in both modes.

[Onslaught Six]

Supreme Tankorr is an injoke that dates back to a time when that toyline was actually 'out.'

[Sparky Prime]

Very rarely does a Supreme toy turn out decent. most of the time Hasbro aims it for toddlers as the ultimate huge Christmas gift. Most of the time Supreme sized TF toys are made with non-complex simplified Transformations. out of thick heavy plastic so toddlers can bang the toys against the wall/drop on the floor & they don't break. under detailed sculpts,bright kiddie friendly cheap colors,etc..

What's with this trend you've got going where you keep saying so many things are aimed at toddlers? They all say right on the box it's intended for children 5+, and not many parents are going to shell out $40 on such a huge Transformer for a really young kid anyway. Besides, the Supreme class figures aren't as bad as you make them out to be. Take Cheetor for example. Sure he had a simple transformation but all the Cheetor figures transformations in Beast Machines were simple. There really wasn't much else Hasbro could do with it. But it was probably the most show accurate mold of the 3 figures, all things considered. Colors? He's a cheetah, so the primary color to the figure is going to be yellow. Really the only draw back to the figure I find is the missile gimmick in his arm that hinders articulation and the fact that aside from Air Attack Primal, he's not to scale with any other toy.

Maybe if they had made a Supreme Tankorr it would have been simple to transform, but if the basic Tank Drone is any indication, at least it would have looked good and accurate to the show.

[andersonh1]

Take Cheetor for example. Sure he had a simple transformation but all the Cheetor figures transformations in Beast Machines were simple. There really wasn't much else Hasbro could do with it. But it was probably the most show accurate mold of the 3 figures, all things considered. Colors? He's a cheetah, so the primary color to the figure is going to be yellow. Really the only draw back to the figure I find is the missile gimmick in his arm that hinders articulation and the fact that aside from Air Attack Primal, he's not to scale with any other toy.

He's also top heavy, and the rotating chest/abdomen piece pops off of mine at the slightest provocation. The figure looks great, but it really is just too big with gimmicks that aren't all that good. Those extendable claws just won't stay in place either.

[Sparky Prime]

He's also top heavy, and the rotating chest/abdomen piece pops off of mine at the slightest provocation. The figure looks great, but it really is just too big with gimmicks that aren't all that good. Those extendable claws just won't stay in place either.

Being top heavy is a flaw of all the Beast Machines Cheetor's, especially with the long skinny bird legs they gave him. So I wouldn't fault this particular toy for that when it's inherent in the design. The chest piece can be a little tricky, but I remember figuring out how to transform it with out popping it off. And the claws on mine always stayed in place, in fact, they didn't always extend when I wanted them to because they'd get stuck. It's not a perfect toy by any means, but for Hasbro's first Supreme sized figure it wasn't such a terrible toy either.

[Tigermegatron]

He's also top heavy, and the rotating chest/abdomen piece pops off of mine at the slightest provocation. The figure looks great, but it really is just too big with gimmicks that aren't all that good. Those extendable claws just won't stay in place either.

Being top heavy is a flaw of all the Beast Machines Cheetor's, especially with the long skinny bird legs they gave him. So I wouldn't fault this particular toy for that when it's inherent in the design. The chest piece can be a little tricky, but I remember figuring out how to transform it with out popping it off. And the claws on mine always stayed in place, in fact, they didn't always extend when I wanted them to because they'd get stuck. It's not a perfect toy by any means, but for Hasbro's first Supreme sized figure it wasn't such a terrible toy either.

For Hasbro's first try at a supreme sized TF toy,I think it was bad/epic failure in every possible category like Ugly Sculpt,Poor engineering,Gimmicks that ruined poseabilty & the 95% ugly yellow color scheme.

I think that Beastmachines Supreme sized Cheetor toy should have been a $19.99 USA Ultra sized toy instead.

IMHO,Cheetor only really got one decent toy & that was the 1996 deluxe sized Cheetor toy. Even then the 1996 Deluxe Cheetor mold looked better with Takara's Shadow panther colors & Takara Tigatron colors.

[Sparky Prime]

Again, he's a cheetah. I don't know what else you'd expect his color to primarily be. The sculpt was pretty good when you consider it was the most show accurate of the 3 Cheetor figures they made during Beast Machines. Engineering wasn't that bad. The only point I'd agree with you on was the gimmicks. Now, I will say I didn't really see the need for such a huge Cheetor figure in the line, but I thought it was a decent enough toy to play around with when I was a kid.

You thought only the first Cheetor was decent? I liked pretty much all of them myself, but the first one wouldn't be my top choice...

[Tigermegatron]

Again, he's a cheetah. I don't know what else you'd expect his color to primarily be. The sculpt was pretty good when you consider it was the most show accurate of the 3 Cheetor figures they made during Beast Machines. Engineering wasn't that bad. The only point I'd agree with you on was the gimmicks. Now, I will say I didn't really see the need for such a huge Cheetor figure in the line, but I thought it was a decent enough toy to play around with when I was a kid.

You thought only the first Cheetor was decent? I liked pretty much all of them myself, but the first one wouldn't be my top choice...

I could care less about my TF toys matching the cartoon/movie designs extremely close<------- This is not how I rate a decent TF toy. I am in it for a beautifully sculpted toy. the media takes a back seat & always comes second. I don't need a equal merger of the two,I seperate the toys from the media & vice versa. I can enjoy the media without feeling the need to buy a ugly toy based off my favorite TF media character. I can enjoy a beautiful toy regardless of how repulsive or annoying or incompetent Hasbro makes the Media character.

The Beastmachines Supreme sized Cheetor toy was ugly due to it's ugly sculpt. the designers sculpted the supreme cheetor toy to look like a human exo-skeleton coupled with some weird bird parts thrown into the sculpt. the supreme sized Cheetor robot legs are super ugly sculpted,they literally look like a human Skeleton's legs. I haven't a clue why the designers felt the need to sculpt human perfect teeth inside the supreme sized Cheetor's robot head. SORRY THE TOY DOES SUFFER FROM POOR ENGINERERING DUE TO THE GIMMICKS RESTRICTING & RUINING ARMS/ELBOWS POSEABILTY. MORE POOR ENGINERRING IS THE WAY THE HIP JOINTS & LEGS+KNEES+ANKLES ARE DESIGNED THAT MAKE THE ROBOT MODE VERY UN-STABLE IN POSES ON DISPLAY SHELVES/FLOOR.

Hasbro could have added more black or silver or red to the Supreme sized Cheetor toy. the toy design in both modes was no longer a realistic Cheetor designs. Having the Supreme sized Cheetor toy being 90% yellow looked bad. Hasbro could have broken up that yellow a bit better by having 25% black,25% silver,10% red & 40% yellow.

While I extremely dis-like all Three BM Cheetor toys. If I had to pick the best one from the 3,I'd select Deluxe Night Slash Cheetor,as the colors were the best & the sculpt+engineering were the best.

I wasn't a fan of the BW TM2 toys & I thought the BW TM1 toys were far superior. TM2 Cheetor was onn the top listed of receiving a super ugly+distorted+frankenstein type TF toy. I like the BW TM1 toys better because they had better sculpted robotic beast modes with decetly sculpted robot modes. I really like the 3rd modes the TM1 toys had. I hated the BW TM2 toys because they got rid of the 3rd mode. MORE IMPORTANTLY THE TM2 SCULPTS IN BOTH MODES WERE HORRIBLE,THEY ALL LOOKED LIKE FRANKESTEIN CYBORGS. I really hated the Twisted & bent/distorted body parts & limbs that the majority of the TM2 toys had. excessive kibble in both modes was another TM2 toy problem. Lastly a huge chunck of the TM2 toys suffered from mis-proportioned body parts & limbs

About the only TM2 toys I'd rate decent & would recommend others to buy are TM2 Tigerhawk,TM2 Mega sizzed Cybershark in the Rid 2001 colors. TM2 Mega sized Blackarachnia.

The TM1 Cheetor toy wasn't as bad as TM2 Cheetor & the Three BM Cheetor toys. I liked the 1996 Deluxe Cheetor toy better because I felt it had two beyond Beautiful sculpted modes,The engineering & poseabilty were also decent. I liked the more bulky/beefy 1996 Cheetor sculpted toy. THE MINUS THAT I HATED ABOUT THE TM1 DELUXE CHEETOR TOY WAS THE UGLY ROBOT HEAD SCULPT & THE WEIRD UGLY SCULPTED HANDS. If anyone loves the 1996 Deluxe sized Cheetor mold,Then I'd seriously recommend getting the mold in the Takara White Tigatron colors.

[andersonh1]

Again, he's a cheetah. I don't know what else you'd expect his color to primarily be. The sculpt was pretty good when you consider it was the most show accurate of the 3 Cheetor figures they made during Beast Machines. Engineering wasn't that bad. The only point I'd agree with you on was the gimmicks. Now, I will say I didn't really see the need for such a huge Cheetor figure in the line, but I thought it was a decent enough toy to play around with when I was a kid.

You thought only the first Cheetor was decent? I liked pretty much all of them myself, but the first one wouldn't be my top choice...

Titanium Beast Machines Cheetor is my favorite, though the cat mode isn't all that impressive. But then none of them really are. I also like Transmetal II Cheetor, just for the whole misshapen cyborg cat sculpt it has.