The 2012 Botcon schedule is up,its a bust/awful/garbage.

[Tigermegatron]

I go to almost a dozen different Toy & comic conventions each year in NYC Manhattan & New Jersey.

I've never been to a Botcon Convention. I was referring to sitting at home on the computer & waiting to the botcon news to reel in. I wait for the Hasbro TF toy panel news & the media news.

I don't see why i'm not entitled to complain because I don't pay to go to botcon. we as internet TF fans get news off the internet all the time & either praise it or complain about it. I don't see why botcon is any different.

I do view all the fan un-officialn panels as a pure waste of time.

I could care less about those autograpgh,script cartoon readings as this all produces ZERO news on newer TF toys & newer TF cartoon/movie/comic information.

In this TF hobby,I'm all about current events & getting advanced future information. I could care less about re-living in the past or drinking wine with voice actors,actors & so forth.

If I ever went to a Botcon convention. I'd bring a few list pages of all my TF related toy ideas & media ideas & hand them out politely to the hasbro & takara toy designers.

[Tigermegatron]

Regarding the Botcon Hall of Fame dinner for $75. I've been reading Botcon attendee HOF dinner reviews for years now. From what I read last year,the Botcon dinner consisted of a club sandwich,chips,can of soda & some candy.

NO THANKS.... If I'm gonna pay $75 for a dinner. I'll go to a 4 star restaurant with my girl friend for that $75 price.

[BWprowl]

I've never been to a Botcon Convention. I was referring to sitting at home on the computer & waiting to the botcon news to reel in. I wait for the Hasbro TF toy panel news & the media news.

I don't see why i'm not entitled to complain because I don't pay to go to botcon. we as internet TF fans get news off the internet all the time & either praise it or complain about it. I don't see why botcon is any different.

But dude, you're not even complaining about the news itself, you're complaining about the time until you can complain about that news. And really, the time/situation of the toy news panel doesn't really matter in that case anyway, since the news'll probably hit the internet about the same time, like it always does. Then you'll get to complain about it all you want.

I could care less about re-living in the past or drinking wine with voice actors,actors & so forth.

Lolwut? I just got the most fantastic image in my head, of all these TF fans standing around with Stephen Blum, Susan Blu, Scott McNeil, and Peter Cullen, all dressed in tuxedos, monacles, and top hats (save for McNeil and Cullen who are naturally wearing cowboy hats), sipping glasses of champaign and speaking derisively in erudite, upscale, New Yorker accents. Damn, now I *really* want to go to BotCon.

If I ever went to a Botcon convention. I'd bring a few list pages of all my TF related toy ideas & media ideas & hand them out politely to the hasbro & takara toy designers.

If I ever went to a Botcon convention, I would set up a lawn chair to watch how this played out.

NO THANKS.... If I'm gonna pay $75 for a dinner. I'll go to a 4 star restaurant with my girl friend for that $75 price.

with my girl friend

my girl friend

What?
WHAT?
Pix. Now.

My life just became less worthwhile in my own eyes.

[Onslaught Six]

Don't be foolish, Prowl. Women are fickle and sometimes undesirable mistresses. (We also probably have pretty high standards for mental competance and personality. I get the feeling Tigger isn't too concerned with either of those.)

[Tigermegatron]

Whattayou care about toy reveals that much for anyway, TiggerMigs? As I understand, you almost exclusively gravitate towards Leader Class/Masterpiece scale figures, and Hasbro's been dialing down their use of those classes for some time now. There *might* be a new Leader Class TFPrime toy or two revealed (Optimus and Megatron? Probably! We honestly likely already know, but I'm too ambivalent about TFPrime to check/care!), but we already know the next Masterpiece (Sideswipe), so the only other thing Hasbro could do there would be to announce their intention to release MP-10 Prime Again and MP-11 Starscream Again. Whoop de doo. And you sure won't be hearing about any of your precious third-party stuff at a Hasbro toy panel.

I Buy/collect newer TF toys from the voyager sizes,$27 USA Ultra sizes,Leader sizes,MP TF toys,alternators,$29.99 HA toys. I own a few BW $14.99 Mega sized TF toys. All of these I mentioned Hasbro/Takara seems to cater them towards teenagers & adult TF fans.

I've bought a few deluxes in the Generations/Classics TF toy lines.

I bought the PCC 5 Packs & 2 packs because their combiners & the combined gestalt mode is Ultra sized & over 7.5 inches tall in gestalt robot mode.

I don't like buying the super tiny TF toys like lengends,AEC Minicons,scouts/basics & most deluxes because their too tiny,too simplified,too easy to transform, not enought parts per toy. they have stabilty problems in robot modes on display shelves. for the most part these TINY TF toys hasbro caters to the toddlers.

Most of the time supreme sized TF toys are more miss than hit. due to hasbro catering them to toddlers as the ultimate simplified gigantic TF toy for parents to buy toddlers on christmas.

Very few SUPREME Sized TF toy are aimed at non-toddlers. AEC Unicron & AEC Primus are aimed at teenagers & adult TF fans

[BWprowl]

Don't be foolish, Prowl. Women are fickle and sometimes undesirable mistresses. (We also probably have pretty high standards for mental competance and personality. I get the feeling Tigger isn't too concerned with either of those.)

Bullshit. I'm dressing nice when I'm out and about, holding down a solid career, living in the nice part of town, I'm going on my fifth single, sexless year here, I just mentioned that I can't even hook up at a ferkin' anime convention, and you're telling me Tiger"I threw a tantrum trying to blackmail Target employees into selling me a toy I didn't even like and I post on a board with seven people about my desire for duck and turtle boobies"megatron is enjoying the benefits of companionship and eating out at fancy restaurants with this girlfriend? Fuck that, I'm tossing all my toys in a bin when I get home and going out to a goddamn bar or something. I'm done.

[Shockwave]

I totally get what Prowl is saying about going to conventions here in CA. It sucks. And I'm in Sacramento, the fucking state's capital! And there ain't shit that goes on here. Or even in San Francisco which is only a couple hours away. Incidently Prowl, if you ever wanna go to a con here in Sac, lemme know, I got a place big enough to put you up.

As for the girlfriend thing... shit, mine's 2000 miles thataway so what the hell do I know? (I'm pointing right by the way).

And Deathy, do you really honestly believe for one moment that Hasbro has any interest in seeing your ideas? Cause I seriously doubt it. The best you could hope for would be to make a custom of some of your ideas and to enter them into the customizing contest, at least then you'd get some fan recognition out of it. But I garuantee you Hasbro does not want and is not going to listen to ideas from fans.

And besides, if you have no interest in celebrating the hobby's history with fellow fans then why the fuck would you go? THAT'S the whole point of going to a convention! It's not about the stuff, it's about the people. I mean if everyone only went just to try to shove ideas for more toys based on G1 season 3 down Hasbro's throats I doubt there'd be a Botcon anymore.

[Tigermegatron]

bwprowl & Onslaught-six,I respect both of you & everyone here on the TF Views message forum. both of you were clearly out of line for mocking me that I have a girl friend. I've never mocked you guys on that level nor did I ever attempt to mock you two by mocking your mentality nor physical appearance. All I'm asking for is the same exact repect & dignity that I show everyone here on the TF Views site.

Onslaught-Six & BWProwl,both of you, crossed over another line by implying that my girl friend was un-desirable or not all their thus she's with me. please I never insulted your girl friend on-line. please show me & my girl friend the same exact respect & dignity that I show you.

I don't enjoy being made the class clown or village idiot. I do my best to try to treat everyone here on TF views with the proper respect,politeness & dignity. please return the favor & treat me with respect,politeness & dignity.

[Tigermegatron]

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And besides, if you have no interest in celebrating the hobby's history with fellow fans then why the fuck would you go? THAT'S the whole point of going to a convention! It's not about the stuff, it's about the people. I mean if everyone only went just to try to shove ideas for more toys based on G1 season 3 down Hasbro's throats I doubt there'd be a Botcon anymore.

I'm only in this TF hobby to buy the TF toys I like & to watch /read the TF media stuff I like.

The only reason I like botcon & enjoy viewing the news on my computer those botcon days. Is for the Hasbro/Takara TF toy panels. where they talk about the TF toy brand & show newer TF Test shots & proto types.

[Sparky Prime]

I don't see why i'm not entitled to complain because I don't pay to go to botcon.

If you don't go to Botcon, why do you even care what their schedule is? It's not going to change any of the information reported online.