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138 Scourge wrote:But man, having the OG13 still running around? Ugh.

The Exlies novel says Megatronus Prime killed Solus Prime so not all of them would still be running around. And we really we have no idea how many of them might still be alive in any given continuity...

Sparky Prime wrote:No, they are one in the same. They say in The Death of Optimus Prime that the Knights of Cybertron were the original Cybertronians that turned the planet into a paradise and then left to spread peace and enlightenment to the rest of the universe.

I respectfully disagree with your assertion. From what I'm reading, the 'Knights' themselves were dreamed up by Mike Costa as just a general post-Chaos idea he had, which then got picked up by Roberts as a thread to follow up with MTMTE. Costa may have meant for them to be original Cybertronians, but I don't think he meant them as THE Original Cybertronians, or he would've probably just called them...The Original Cybertronians, rather than dreaming up 'Knights of Cybertron' whole-cloth as a new name for them. But anyway, I guess it'll all be settled when/if Rodimus's crew finally finds them in MTMTE.

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138 Scourge wrote:But man, having the OG13 still running around? Ugh.

The Exlies novel says Megatronus Prime killed Solus Prime so not all of them would still be running around. And we really we have no idea how many of them might still be alive in any given continuity...

Sigh. I suppose.

I dunno, I suppose that it's possible that a decent orginal thirteen story could possibly happen. But I'm damned if I can see how. I tend to think that there's some things that are better left hinted at than outright seen, and I'd include those guys in that category.

BWprowl wrote:I respectfully disagree with your assertion.

It's not my assertion. They clearly say it in Death of Optimus Prime.

Bumblebee: The Knights of Cybertron. As in the entirely fictional Knights of Cybertron?
Drift: The original Cybertronians! They turned this planet into a paradise and then left to spread peace and enlightenment across the universe.

How many other groups of original Cybertronians could there be?

Costa may have meant for them to be original Cybertronians, but I don't think he meant them as THE Original Cybertronians, or he would've probably just called them...The Original Cybertronians, rather than dreaming up 'Knights of Cybertron' whole-cloth as a new name for them.

The Knights of Cybertron is a cooler name for them than The Original Cybertronians. Apparently even Hasbro has taken to calling them "the Original Epic Warriors of Cybertron" which is more along the lines of Knights. And either way, what ever Costa intended is a moot point now that the story has been handed over to Roberts.

Sparky Prime wrote:Bumblebee: The Knights of Cybertron. As in the entirely fictional Knights of Cybertron?
Drift: The original Cybertronians! They turned this planet into a paradise and then left to spread peace and enlightenment across the universe.

How many other groups of original Cybertronians could there be?

By my count, we're up to three:

1. The Thirteen
2. The Knights of Cybertron
3. The Covenant

Look, like I said, it's pretty much a moot point at this...point. We'll find out whatever they're supposed to be whenever Roberts gets to them in MTMTE. Then, when they actually clarify this stuff, you can laugh at me and tell me how wrong I was.

BWprowl wrote:By my count, we're up to three:

1. The Thirteen
2. The Knights of Cybertron
3. The Covenant

You can't count the Knights of Cybertron as being separate from the Thirteen when they're in dispute as being the same group. And the Covenant technically weren't Cybertronians, having been created by Primus on another planet prior to the creation of Cybertron. Not to mention having only been in a convention comic one could argue they don't count officially.

Look, like I said, it's pretty much a moot point at this...point. We'll find out whatever they're supposed to be whenever Roberts gets to them in MTMTE. Then, when they actually clarify this stuff, you can laugh at me and tell me how wrong I was.

Except we already know what Roberts intends for them to be. As I've pointed out and you keep ignoring, he's already labeled them as the original Cybertronians.

Tigermegatron wrote:The main reason several comic book distributors like IDW don't provide comic book readers with monthly/yearly mail away subsciptions. which would enable comic book readers to pay a monthly/yearly fee & get the individual comics delivered to their home mail boxes. because diamond comics prohibits this because they know this will make the majority of the comic book stores close down.
because lets face it,why would anyone want to waste gas,time & enter a filty comic book shop filled of degenerate workers,when they could have the option of getting the individual comics mailed to their house mail box each month.

most kids & parents are scarred & stay away from comic book shops these days. thanks to the filty store conditions. degnerate workers & adult themed porn comics available in the comic book stores. the majority of people who visit these comic book shops & buy from them are adult males & teenage males.

Just because your local comic shops are shitty doesn't mean everyone's is. I have one that is very clean, looks great, and has awesome employees. Don't be a dick.

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Sparky Prime wrote:And speaking of the 13, seeing as Prime has slowly been revealing tidbits about them and we've now got a comic series where Transformers are seeking them out seems like too much of a coincidence not to be Hasbro's influence.

Just a quick tidbit: I don't think the implication is supposed to be that the Knights of Cybertron that Rodimus and co are tracking down in MTMTE are the same guys as the Thirteen. Pretty sure those are different groups.

For what it's worth, I personally think that the Thirteen and the Knights of Cybertron are "supposed" to be the same guys but it remains to be seen if they actually will be. And by that, I mean it's going one of two ways:

-Rodimus thinks the Knights of Cybertron are The Thirteen but they're actually different guys.
-Rodimus thinks the Knights of Cybertron are different guys but they turn out to be The Thirteen.

Of course, realistically, given Roberts' writing style and themes, I fully expect Rodimus' journey to end with him finding a goddamn grave site, and all this was for nothing. (Why doesn't he just ask the Magnifiscence where they are?)

That whole Thirteen thing was BS, by the way. IDW had plans to do a whole miniseries about them, and then those fell through for whatever reason. Then Hasbro was apparently going to be working each of them into the toyline (or possibly even giving the Thirteen their own sub-line, it seemed), but that didn't happen either.

Thirteen toys might still be forthcoming, they just don't have a decent place for them right now. Hasbro obviously knows that the toyline isn't going to go into Early 90s Hibernation Mode anytime soon and that TF will always have some kind of presence, so they're playing the long game right now.

Sparky Prime wrote:

Look, like I said, it's pretty much a moot point at this...point. We'll find out whatever they're supposed to be whenever Roberts gets to them in MTMTE. Then, when they actually clarify this stuff, you can laugh at me and tell me how wrong I was.

Except we already know what Roberts intends for them to be. As I've pointed out and you keep ignoring, he's already labeled them as the original Cybertronians.

Look, at this point we don't really know if The Thirteen and the Knights of Cybertron are the same thing. Maybe they're supposed to be, but at this point it's not clear--because maybe the first Cybertronians were the Knights of Cybertron but the first Transformers could be the Thirteen.

Onslaught Six wrote:Look, at this point we don't really know if The Thirteen and the Knights of Cybertron are the same thing. Maybe they're supposed to be, but at this point it's not clear--because maybe the first Cybertronians were the Knights of Cybertron but the first Transformers could be the Thirteen.

How is it not clear? Drift clearly calls the Knights of Cybertron the first Cybertronians. And the first Cybertronians were the first 13 Transformers. There's nothing to suggest otherwise.

Sparky Prime wrote:How is it not clear? Drift clearly calls the Knights of Cybertron the first Cybertronians. And the first Cybertronians were the first 13 Transformers. There's nothing to suggest otherwise.

There's the fact that the Thirteen weren't ever mentioned in IDW before. It doesn't matter if in other continuities, the Thirteen are the first Cybertronians. In other continuities, Galvatron is Megatron and Goldbug is Bumblebee, but those aren't true here.

Just because Drift--a character who has never met either the Thirteen or Knights of Cybertron, if they are indeed different entities--says that the Knights of Cybertron are the first Cybertronians doesn't necessarily mean they're the Thirteen. For all we know, the Thirteen don't exist in IDW's continuity, and the Knights of Cybertron will be different guys entirely. (Hell, Primus and Unicron don't, apparently.)

Onslaught Six wrote:There's the fact that the Thirteen weren't ever mentioned in IDW before. It doesn't matter if in other continuities, the Thirteen are the first Cybertronians. In other continuities, Galvatron is Megatron and Goldbug is Bumblebee, but those aren't true here.

If the Original 13 aren't the original Cybertronians then what are they the originals of? That's kinda the whole point to them being the originals. It's not like Galvatron and Goldbug at all.

Just because Drift--a character who has never met either the Thirteen or Knights of Cybertron, if they are indeed different entities--says that the Knights of Cybertron are the first Cybertronians doesn't necessarily mean they're the Thirteen. For all we know, the Thirteen don't exist in IDW's continuity, and the Knights of Cybertron will be different guys entirely. (Hell, Primus and Unicron don't, apparently.)

Most Cybertronians think the Knights of Cybertron is nothing but a myth in the first place, but the legend is that they were the original Cybertronians. That's the important thing here. It doesn't matter if Drift is the one who said it or if he knows them personally. They all know the story as no one disputes Drift. And again, who else according to legend would the original Cybertronians be? It might be a different name, but the implication is the same.