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Sparky Prime wrote:
Dominic wrote:The important thing to remember about Iceman is that this is all being revealed a month or two before a big ol' CoIE style reboot. Smart money is saying that the "young X-Men" are simply going to be "the X-Men" after "Time Runs Out" and "Secret Wars" ends up resolved. Nobody is going to ever mention the "current" X-Men again.

In other words, "What are you talking about? Iceman has always been gay."
Maybe, maybe not. We still have no idea what shape the Marvel Universe will take post-reboot yet. For all we know, they could make this completely pointless if they decided to make him straight after the reboot.
Iceman is also the "safest" choice to make gay. Besides the fact that all of his relationships with women have failed, he is also the "cleanest" member of the original team. Jean Grey has the Phoenix baggage. Cyclops straight up killed Professor X. Angel worked for team "planetary genocide" and Beast not only helped kill a world but also totally jacked up the time stream to deal with his mid-life crisis.

Technically, these characters having come from the past, long before any of that happened, are all still "clean". But either way, I've got no problems with them making Iceman gay. I just don't think Bendis handled it very well. Having failed relationships with women is hardly enough to say "yup he's gay". And having Jean outing him like that, with Iceman acting like he didn't realize it himself and his older self still apparently straight, is just stupid.
Yeah Dom, what the hell? All of my relationships end after three months, so what are you trying to say here? :P

Also, why the hell does it matter? Seriously, I'm sick of the "Make a superhero gay" shock value not gonna stick anyway announcement of the year hype.
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The scenes of Telos dropping the domes and pitting various cities against each other are definitely feeling repetitive at this point, but they're minimized in some issues this week, and used to good effect in others, but I do find myself skipping the very familiar speech.
That is why I am skipping the fight book more or less entirely. Stuff like this is more interesting for the after-effects than anything else.
Obviously for me, the attraction is revisiting old familar characters. I'm pretty sure I haven't bought this many comics in a single month since the mid-90s. Obviously I'm enjoying the event. :)

But I agree that what happens afterward is a subject I'm interested in. And I've been skipping the main series. It's pretty much a continuation of Earth 2, and I don't have any interest in those ersatz versions of the JSA characters. Not to mention that as I've flipped through the issues, very little seems to happen. I'll take short 2 issue stories over a decompressed 9-issue plot any day.

So, more reviews:

Green Arrow #1
One of last week's issues that I skipped but then changed my mind about. Green Arrow has been keeping up his usual activities while under the dome, trying to maintain order and help keep the criminals and desperate in check, but he thinks things are getting out of control. Meanwhile, Connor Hawke is also in the city, and he manages to arrange a meeting with Oliver Queen. The story is essentially an alternate version of the first meeting of the two characters. The dome doesn't drop until near the end of the story, so there's plenty of time to watch how both characters deal with crime and the increasingly dire situation. The villains are a hate group, so there's a touch of politics in keeping with Green Arrow's reputation. The end of the book has the two apparently pitted against Black Canary, so I can't see her and Green Arrow trying to kill each other. Rags Morales is the artist, and I've always enjoyed his art, so that was a nice bonus.

Hawkman #1
Jeff Parker's been doing a great job on Batman 66, and he writes a solid Hawkman and Hawkgirl issue this month for Convergence. I think Tim Truman drew the Hawkworld series, so this is a return to old characters for him. This is the pre-Crisis Katar and Shayera Hol, who are unaffected by any power dampening since their abilities come from technology. They find some Thanagarian Shadow Agents and begin investigating what they were doing in the city when it was encased in the dome. The trail leads to a fight with some Manhawks, and the discovery of the Thanagarian base, where the agents have constructed an Absorbacron to examine the situation. In a nice nod to the advanced technology of the Thanagarians, they've actually been able to see outside the dome and understand that they're on an alien world with other captured cities and inhabitants, though they can't tell where in the universe they are. But, as in the Superman issue, we get a glimpse of the future (from their point of view) Crisis on Infinite Earths, which the Shadow agents reveal will merge all realities of the multiverse into one. The dome falls on the last page, with Hawkman and Hawkgirl declaring that no matter what they do, it will all end anyway. Great issue, with the most likeable Hawkman in the many years that I've been reading the different version of the character. And in a nice touch, both Katar and Shayera reveal who they are to the people of the city in order to try and inspire them to keep going.

The Green Lantern Corps #1
This issue really could have been titled Guy Gardner #1, because he gets the vast majority of the page time. I've never been much of a Guy Gardner fan, so that's a definite negative. He's angry at Hal and blames him for ruining his life, and sets about to find him and let him have it. He goes to John Stewart, who has been working in construction and who doesn't get a very good showing, and then finally finds Hal. Hal had married Carol Ferris, but left when the dome came up and has spent the last year trying to contact the Guardians and the Corps. The issue really doesn't paint any of these three characters in a flattering light, and I'm thinking it's the loser of the week.

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Batman '66 #22
Jeff Parker takes the month off and Mike W Barr is the writer. It's a nice change of pace, with some of the funniest one-liners in some time for the Adam West and Burt Ward versions of Batman and Robin. The art is very cartoony, but it suits the tone of this book better than it would other books. The Penguin catches on to Batman's plot to catch him with a valuable umbrella, so he decides to turn the tables and trap Batman with some bat-themed crimes. We even get a death trap for a mid-book cliffhanger, and one of those "climbing the wall" scenes. After a fairly sombre issue last month, it's nice to be back in the lighter territory that the book usually occupies. I'd be in favor of Barr writing more issues in future if this is a sample of how he'd approach the book.
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Played the Superman Movie slot machine, what a piece of shit. The same exact machine as Batman TV and nearly identical gimmicks, literally the machine was redressed from Batman, but none of the fun and stingy as hell to boot. Luckily they had Batman on the other side still, we played that shit to close out the night, still a blast, I only lost 40 cents total!

Anybody see the new Suicide Squad movie's Joker? http://screenrant.com/jared-leto-joker- ... e-tattoos/
Die in a fire, concept. When did the Joker ever seem like he raided a Hot Topic circa 10 years ago? That image alone is the final nail in the coffin of my interest of the DC cinematic universe.
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JediTricks wrote:Anybody see the new Suicide Squad movie's Joker? http://screenrant.com/jared-leto-joker- ... e-tattoos/
Die in a fire, concept. When did the Joker ever seem like he raided a Hot Topic circa 10 years ago? That image alone is the final nail in the coffin of my interest of the DC cinematic universe.
Yeah, I can't say I like the look much at all. Have you seen the picture of Aquaman looking more like movie Thorin Oakenshield than Aquaman? It's just as bad.
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I actually really like Leto's version of Joker personally. I was a bit off-put by the tattoos at first I'll admit, but the overall look has grown on me. Besides, I remember people criticizing Heath Ledger's Joker before that movie and it turned out to be an amazing performance.

Got to say I really like Jason Momoa as Aquaman as well. He looks like a bad-ass Atlantian warrior (ironically enough considering he was on Statgate Atlantis a few years ago), rather than the pretty-boy the comics portray him as.
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andersonh1 wrote:Yeah, I can't say I like the look much at all. Have you seen the picture of Aquaman looking more like movie Thorin Oakenshield than Aquaman? It's just as bad.
I did, it's the guy from Stargate Atlantis and the Conan reboot looking unlike Aquaman, but since I didn't care that much about Aquaman, it didn't have the impact that this turdburglar does. Good point though, it also has that extreme dude tatted up feel that adds to the DC cinematic douchery.
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I've said it before, when I go watch a DC movie, I'd like to be able to look at the live action version of a character and then look at the version on the printed page, and be able to see the resemblance. They should look like the same character. That's not the case with Aquaman, and it is a definite annoyance.
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I think there should be some room for reinterpretation going into live action personally. I mean, there are some characters that I do think need to get the basic look right because of how iconic their appearances are (like Superman, Batman, Spider-Man), but there are others I think don't need to be so strictly adherent to their comic book counter-parts. Take the X-Men for example. I really can't imagine Hugh Jackman as Wolverine wearing yellow spandex, but the leather costumes they came up with for the live action films works instead. Aquaman is one of those I can't really see looking all that great on the big screen if he looked just like the comic book character.
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Sparky Prime wrote:I think there should be some room for reinterpretation going into live action personally. I mean, there are some characters that I do think need to get the basic look right because of how iconic their appearances are (like Superman, Batman, Spider-Man), but there are others I think don't need to be so strictly adherent to their comic book counter-parts. Take the X-Men for example. I really can't imagine Hugh Jackman as Wolverine wearing yellow spandex, but the leather costumes they came up with for the live action films works instead. Aquaman is one of those I can't really see looking all that great on the big screen if he looked just like the comic book character.
I can understand that. Some things translate well to live action and some don't. I wouldn't mind some tweaks to the traditional Aquaman look, but I think they've gone way too far, to the point that I really can't see the live action and the comic version as the same character at all.
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andersonh1 wrote:I can understand that. Some things translate well to live action and some don't. I wouldn't mind some tweaks to the traditional Aquaman look, but I think they've gone way too far, to the point that I really can't see the live action and the comic version as the same character at all.
Personally, I get a 'hook hand era' vibe from the movie version. Long hair, beard, armor on one arm... He's just got brown hair, tattoos (which sorta resembles the scale look of his orange shirt) and no hook for a hand. I still see the comic book influences in the character's appearance at any rate.
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