The modern comics universe has had such a different take on G1, one that's significantly represented by the Generations toys, so they share a forum. A modern take on a Real Cybertronian Hero. Currently starring Generations toys, IDW "The Transformers" comics, MTMTE, TF vs GI Joe, and Windblade. Oh wait, and now Skybound, wheee!
JediTricks wrote:Are you sure that's why Megatron ordered him untouched? It went unsaid, I took Megatron's words at face value, that he appreciated what Whirl did for him, how Whirl's violence opened Megs' eyes to the ways of violence and that he was grateful. Granted, he did say "for a long time" he was grateful so perhaps not. But it's interesting either way.
Sure Megatron says he was grateful to Whirl for showing him words without action was meaningless, but think of how much effort it would be to keep from accidentally killing Whirl in a war that lasted millions of years, or the troops that were killed as a result of backing down from Whirl during a fight... Especially when he had been one of the Wreckers, who have a reputation for dying in the line of duty. Just because they were afraid of answering to Megatron? That just seems like more than gratitude to me, like Megatron had more reason to keep Whirl alive.
It was Megatron's second order after "war", they didn't think about why it was his order. You are reading between the lines, you may be right, but it's not suggested enough on the page yet and it's not clear enough to state it as the way it is.
But on the other hand, you do have a point. It would also make sense for Megatron to have ironically spared Whirl. Knowing he was the cause of the war clearly has had an effect on Whirl, and Megatron revealing he wasn't as bad-ass as he thought certainly crushed his spirit.
I love the nuance in MTMTE, the room for things to be MORE THAN MEETS THE EYE, ya know? The book lives up to that title in more ways than one.
See, that one's a camcorder, that one's a camera, that one's a phone, and they're doing "Speak no evil, See no evil, Hear no evil", get it?
The plot of this issue is all over the place, not just in the flashbacks from the trial to the present, but in the number of plotlines taking place in the present. Once again, we've got a character speaking with the author's voice, summing up the story and promising answers to come. The highlight of the issue is a self-serving speech by Starscream, aimed at getting under Megatron's skin and twisting the knife. It's obvious that it will have the opposite effect, and indeed it does as Megatron very likely changes his plea due to what Starscream said. Meanwhile lots of other characters behave in foolish ways and do foolish things, and are sometimes amusing, sometimes not.
It's a middle chapter. It's hard to make a judgment call. I enjoyed it for the most part. I wonder if the conclusion is leading towards Megatron being given parole or something for political reasons. I suspect something of the sort is forthcoming. I can accept that if it happens, but there had better be a rock solid reason why the Autobots on the Lost Light accept him as captain without trying to personally mete out vengeance for his war crimes.
Issue #29:
Some chuckle-worthy moments. But, (not for the first time in the last few months), a TF book was the bottom of my haul and was over-shadowed by some 616 Marvel. Granted, 616 Marvel has been exception for the last year or so, (being not only readable, but idea based), but (discounting) "Re-Generation One", TF has not been topping my pull file for at least a year.
Megatron's trial is obviously going to end with an aquital of some kind. I am content to wait and see it play out. The split-story is not bad. But, it would probably be better if there was more commonality between "then" and "now". Perhaps the trial should have talked more aobut functionism and such, as a way to parallel Megatron's even handed disposal of Trailbreaker/cutter at the end of the issue? (Aside, Megatron's "fix" for Trailbreaker's booziness is entirely consistent with "peace through tyranny". Megatron is still an autocratic ruler.)
I am willing to give this book a few more issues. But, depending on what Marvel and DC do between now and the end of the year, I might end up dropping it and "Robots in Disguise".
Issue 29 - This was a mess, it was too crowded both in visuals and in story. The big reveal of what's in the coffin misfired, the number of characters thrown about was jarring, the change of plea felt clumsy, Starscream's place and standing didn't fit, even the tonal shifts and comedy was crammed, it was all askew. I don't want to grade it yet, I'm wondering if a few days away from it will help soften my take.
See, that one's a camcorder, that one's a camera, that one's a phone, and they're doing "Speak no evil, See no evil, Hear no evil", get it?
JediTricks wrote:The big reveal of what's in the coffin misfired,
How so? Granted I was expecting something a bit more shocking in the coffin, but still a surprise never-the-less. And it raises plenty of questions.
Like andersonh1 said, it's a middle chapter. May not have been the greatest issue but it's really meant to be looked at in terms of the larger picture.
JediTricks wrote:The big reveal of what's in the coffin misfired,
How so? Granted I was expecting something a bit more shocking in the coffin, but still a surprise never-the-less. And it raises plenty of questions.
Like andersonh1 said, it's a middle chapter. May not have been the greatest issue but it's really meant to be looked at in terms of the larger picture.
The art muddled the character in the panel, so it's "who the hell is that?"
Oh boy, people telling me how to view and feel about something, gee thanks.
See, that one's a camcorder, that one's a camera, that one's a phone, and they're doing "Speak no evil, See no evil, Hear no evil", get it?
JediTricks wrote:The art muddled the character in the panel, so it's "who the hell is that?"
Muddled? How? The art couldn't be more clear Spoiler
Rodimus is in the coffin
.
Oh boy, people telling me how to view and feel about something, gee thanks.
What? Where's this coming from? Because I agreed with what andetsonh1 said about the issue, which he made before you said anything about the issue? I was commenting about how I saw the issue there. No one is telling you how to view and feel about it.
JediTricks wrote:The art muddled the character in the panel, so it's "who the hell is that?"
Muddled? How? The art couldn't be more clear Spoiler
Rodimus is in the coffin
.
I'm fairly certain it's him too, but I'm not 100% sure. A different angle or a line of dialogue to make it 100% certain would have been helpful. Something about the way it was drawn made me question whether it was really Spoiler
Rodimus
, but I can't quite tell you why I saw it that way.
JediTricks wrote:The art muddled the character in the panel, so it's "who the hell is that?"
Muddled? How? The art couldn't be more clear Spoiler
Rodimus is in the coffin
.
It COULD have been more clear, as I had to go back and reexamine the character model used earlier in the book, there aren't a lot of defining features shown and there's no color and half the facial likeness is gone. And I'm obviously not alone, Anderson had the same problem.
What? Where's this coming from? Because I agreed with what andetsonh1 said about the issue, which he made before you said anything about the issue? I was commenting about how I saw the issue there. No one is telling you how to view and feel about it.
"May not have been the greatest issue but it's really meant to be looked at in terms of the larger picture." That was your direct comment on my opinions about the book.
andersonh1 wrote:I'm fairly certain it's him too, but I'm not 100% sure. A different angle or a line of dialogue to make it 100% certain would have been helpful. Something about the way it was drawn made me question whether it was really Spoiler
Rodimus
, but I can't quite tell you why I saw it that way.
It still barely looks like him. Part of the problem is he's barely in the issue and there aren't a lot of straight-on views of his character model (which I think has changed recently), part of the problem is that he's defined largely by his color which is gone and his head which is half-gone, and part of the problem is the close-up length used is too close so you can't really taken in secondary character elements like build and detailing -- especially those such as forearm pipes which simply aren't in the shot. Had this been from further away, I think it would have sold better.
See, that one's a camcorder, that one's a camera, that one's a phone, and they're doing "Speak no evil, See no evil, Hear no evil", get it?
JediTricks wrote:It COULD have been more clear, as I had to go back and reexamine the character model used earlier in the book, there aren't a lot of defining features shown and there's no color and half the facial likeness is gone. And I'm obviously not alone, Anderson had the same problem.
I don't agree. They show him from mid-torso up. Even missing part of his head and with out color, he's the only character with that body type. I don't see why either of you would have a hard time figuring out who was in the coffin. The art alone made it perfectly clear.
"May not have been the greatest issue but it's really meant to be looked at in terms of the larger picture." That was your direct comment on my opinions about the book.
Now you're telling me what I said and how I meant it? No it wasn't a direct comment on your opinion, that's MY own opinion about the book as I was agreeing with andersonh1's comments about it being a middle chapter. I see it as not being a great issue, but I think it'll be better when viewed with the rest of the storyline. That comment had nothing to do with your opinion.
The book lives up to that title in more ways than one.
