If you could pick another Titan sized TF toy,who would it be

[JediTricks]

]Rocket base mode had an "inside"? You mean inside the track ring, right? Because the base itself didn't have an interior, there really wasn't much to it.

Yep, I was thinking of the rocket launch pad and the track ring as parts of the same ground structure as opposed to the two vehicles, the tank and the rocket. The launch pad was the feet, the backpack and a few of the yellow leg pieces I think.

Ah, ok, I see, you were playing via the "play mat" style, where if it looked good from 2D that was all you needed, that's cool.

Something like that.

I do still have the figure. Haven't pulled him out of the cabinet and transformed him in a long time though. I'm thinking if they scaled up the figure to make a Titan sized version that the track would be much larger than it is on the original figure. It depends how they engineer the transformation I guess.

I would think they'd either remove the track altogether, it's a bit of an antiquated idea for a toy line and the original didn't even use all its track in bot mode.

The MTMTE Ark space ship was oval shaped & almost flat as a pancake minus any wings,So Having a Titan TFA or MTME Adult themed high sculpted Omega Supreme transform into the Ark would look like garbage & it would basically be what the majority of TF fans hate A SHELL-FORMER---Similar in vein to what the recent huge SW Cross-overs Darth vader/anakin Skywalker that transforms into those 2 huge SW space ships.

I've seen all the WFC/FOC TF video games images & WFC Omega supreme video game alt mode looks like complete garbage. it's looks like it's a satelite that is armed to fire large weapons or space station that is armed to fire large weapons. The alt mode IS NOT A SPACE SHIP. So creating a titan sized toy for WFC Omega supreme would look like garbage in alt mode. Sure the robot mode might look somewhat decent,but the majority would hate the alt mode.

The Majority of TF fans want the G-1 1985 Omega Supreme designs for a Titan sized toy. Due to it being the most memorable & iconic. just because the energon duo-bot omega supreme toy was horrible,Doesn't mean A G-1 titan sized Duo-bot will also be horrible. the main reason the energon version was so awful was due to the tonka play-school sculpted alt modes & how they combined to form the robot mode. IF HASBRO CREATES A SPACE SHUTTLE WITH BOOSTERS THAT COMBINES WITH A TANK IN SIMILAR COMBINE FASHION TO 1988 Overlord---THIS toy will look awesome.

I disagree with everything you say here.

If you think about it, having a GIANT humanoid fight another GIANT humanoid is boring, it's just a wrestling match; yet having a GIANT humanoid fight a GIANT dinosaur is more compelling as it lets them each exercise specific advantages and disadvantages the other doesn't have. The giant dinosaur is seen as an ultimate killing machine, it doesn't need arms to manipulate controls or a humanoid face to convey friendly emotions, it just needs powerful jaws to crush and huge feet to stomp and a massive tail to thrash - a colossal dinosaur robot is the ultimate Decepticon in that way, it's focused on being a big killer first and foremost.

King Kong vs. T-Rex all over again.

Yup, and as we all know, that scene hasn't endured for nearly a century.

Fort Max is the most boring design possible, there is nothing clever or interesting about his robot mode except that it's big and things pop out of it here and there. But the figure itself was never anything special to me, so it's certainly not something I'd want to return to.

You just described all 4 of the 1980's City-bots minus Omega who is techinally called a Base-bot.

Fort max,whether you like him or not is currently one of the most high in demand of all the 1980's city-bots toys on the secondary market.

The secondary market math is their,if OCD fans are willing to pay up to $2,000+for a MISB Fort Max,then the'd jump at the chance to pay $125 for a Newer Titan Fort Max that is more poseable in robot mode,with other alt modes that look more adult high sculpted/themed.

I don't give a shit what the secondary market is paying for it, that doesn't speak to a new toy, those are people who want an original piece of something that a new figure cannot provide.

As for the city-bots, Metroplex has a more unique structure with his giant square pectorals, he looks like a real giant bot with those proportions; and Trypticon doesn't fit that mold at all since he's a robotic dinosaur. But Fort Max's detail is bland and his proportions aren't as exciting, if you looked at an image of that robot mode without any scale context he could be passable as a 6" figure. Scorponok is kind of the same thing, he's got color and claws but otherwise is not that special.

What was extremly boring watching those season 3 Trypticon & Metroplex fight was that Metroplex always won & trypticon always lost,they were fights easy to predict the winner. Due to Trypticon having short T-rex arms & not that much movement in his dino legs,he lost all the fights. Had Trypticon been able to transform into a humanoid mode,he would of had longer arms,longer legs,a waist joint,the fight scenes would have been less booring & less predictable. Since Trypticon lost every fight with metroplex,clearly his T-rex mode was no match for Metroplex's humanoid mode.

What? The '80s cartoon acted exactly like an '80s cartoon and had the bad guys lose? NO FUCKIN' WAY!

Not sure why you think it would need to be a shell-former. The design they used for Omega Supreme in Animated clearly wasn't and if they were to make a figure like that they would undoubtedly use a bulkier design for the Ark than what the G1 cartoon had. Besides, the Star Wars figures you're talking about have to look more human proportioned to basically be robotic versions of those characters, unlike Omega who is supposed to be a big bulky robot. Speaking of Animated Omega Supreme, anyone ever see Hansime's "Re-Animated" version? This would make an awesome figure:
http://hansime.deviantart.com/art/Re-An ... e-92673240

That is really cool. If that was a little less animated in style, it'd be great for a new titan figure (or if it was a little more animated, a realized Animated figure), they could easily do a takeoff on that idea. I'd still prefer Trypticon first though, don't want to frontload the Autobot titans.

[Tigermegatron]

]Rocket base mode had an "inside"? You mean inside the track ring, right? Because the base itself didn't have an interior, there really wasn't much to it.

Yep, I was thinking of the rocket launch pad and the track ring as parts of the same ground structure as opposed to the two vehicles, the tank and the rocket. The launch pad was the feet, the backpack and a few of the yellow leg pieces I think.

Ah, ok, I see, you were playing via the "play mat" style, where if it looked good from 2D that was all you needed, that's cool.

Something like that.

I do still have the figure. Haven't pulled him out of the cabinet and transformed him in a long time though. I'm thinking if they scaled up the figure to make a Titan sized version that the track would be much larger than it is on the original figure. It depends how they engineer the transformation I guess.

I would think they'd either remove the track altogether, it's a bit of an antiquated idea for a toy line and the original didn't even use all its track in bot mode.

The MTMTE Ark space ship was oval shaped & almost flat as a pancake minus any wings,So Having a Titan TFA or MTME Adult themed high sculpted Omega Supreme transform into the Ark would look like garbage & it would basically be what the majority of TF fans hate A SHELL-FORMER---Similar in vein to what the recent huge SW Cross-overs Darth vader/anakin Skywalker that transforms into those 2 huge SW space ships.

I've seen all the WFC/FOC TF video games images & WFC Omega supreme video game alt mode looks like complete garbage. it's looks like it's a satelite that is armed to fire large weapons or space station that is armed to fire large weapons. The alt mode IS NOT A SPACE SHIP. So creating a titan sized toy for WFC Omega supreme would look like garbage in alt mode. Sure the robot mode might look somewhat decent,but the majority would hate the alt mode.

The Majority of TF fans want the G-1 1985 Omega Supreme designs for a Titan sized toy. Due to it being the most memorable & iconic. just because the energon duo-bot omega supreme toy was horrible,Doesn't mean A G-1 titan sized Duo-bot will also be horrible. the main reason the energon version was so awful was due to the tonka play-school sculpted alt modes & how they combined to form the robot mode. IF HASBRO CREATES A SPACE SHUTTLE WITH BOOSTERS THAT COMBINES WITH A TANK IN SIMILAR COMBINE FASHION TO 1988 Overlord---THIS toy will look awesome.

I disagree with everything you say here.

If you think about it, having a GIANT humanoid fight another GIANT humanoid is boring, it's just a wrestling match; yet having a GIANT humanoid fight a GIANT dinosaur is more compelling as it lets them each exercise specific advantages and disadvantages the other doesn't have. The giant dinosaur is seen as an ultimate killing machine, it doesn't need arms to manipulate controls or a humanoid face to convey friendly emotions, it just needs powerful jaws to crush and huge feet to stomp and a massive tail to thrash - a colossal dinosaur robot is the ultimate Decepticon in that way, it's focused on being a big killer first and foremost.

King Kong vs. T-Rex all over again.

Yup, and as we all know, that scene hasn't endured for nearly a century.

Fort Max is the most boring design possible, there is nothing clever or interesting about his robot mode except that it's big and things pop out of it here and there. But the figure itself was never anything special to me, so it's certainly not something I'd want to return to.

You just described all 4 of the 1980's City-bots minus Omega who is techinally called a Base-bot.

Fort max,whether you like him or not is currently one of the most high in demand of all the 1980's city-bots toys on the secondary market.

The secondary market math is their,if OCD fans are willing to pay up to $2,000+for a MISB Fort Max,then the'd jump at the chance to pay $125 for a Newer Titan Fort Max that is more poseable in robot mode,with other alt modes that look more adult high sculpted/themed.

I don't give a shit what the secondary market is paying for it, that doesn't speak to a new toy, those are people who want an original piece of something that a new figure cannot provide.

As for the city-bots, Metroplex has a more unique structure with his giant square pectorals, he looks like a real giant bot with those proportions; and Trypticon doesn't fit that mold at all since he's a robotic dinosaur. But Fort Max's detail is bland and his proportions aren't as exciting, if you looked at an image of that robot mode without any scale context he could be passable as a 6" figure. Scorponok is kind of the same thing, he's got color and claws but otherwise is not that special.

What was extremly boring watching those season 3 Trypticon & Metroplex fight was that Metroplex always won & trypticon always lost,they were fights easy to predict the winner. Due to Trypticon having short T-rex arms & not that much movement in his dino legs,he lost all the fights. Had Trypticon been able to transform into a humanoid mode,he would of had longer arms,longer legs,a waist joint,the fight scenes would have been less booring & less predictable. Since Trypticon lost every fight with metroplex,clearly his T-rex mode was no match for Metroplex's humanoid mode.

What? The '80s cartoon acted exactly like an '80s cartoon and had the bad guys lose? NO FUCKIN' WAY!

Not sure why you think it would need to be a shell-former. The design they used for Omega Supreme in Animated clearly wasn't and if they were to make a figure like that they would undoubtedly use a bulkier design for the Ark than what the G1 cartoon had. Besides, the Star Wars figures you're talking about have to look more human proportioned to basically be robotic versions of those characters, unlike Omega who is supposed to be a big bulky robot. Speaking of Animated Omega Supreme, anyone ever see Hansime's "Re-Animated" version? This would make an awesome figure:
http://hansime.deviantart.com/art/Re-An ... e-92673240

That is really cool. If that was a little less animated in style, it'd be great for a new titan figure (or if it was a little more animated, a realized Animated figure), they could easily do a takeoff on that idea. I'd still prefer Trypticon first though, don't want to frontload the Autobot titans.

Something only gets a high asking price if it's HIGHLY DESIRABLE BY THE BUYERS. Fort Max is the most highly desirable of all the city/base bots thus his secondary asking price is thru the roof. Thus creating a Titan Fort Max toy is guaranteed to sell out in high decent volume by buyers.

1987 Fortress Maximus's toy has more parts,more pieces,more accessories & higher/more sculpt/more gimmicks compared to 1986 Metroplex's toy.

Their were dozens of Bad guys in the 1980's TF USA cartoon that never got beaten in a fight with a Autobot in a one on one battle. Tryticon didn't only loose all his fights to Metroplex. Trypticon lost his fights so badly it just felt like Metroplex was the heavy weight wrestling champion & Trypticon was a amateur fighther stepping in the ring & losing to the champ.

Having the Ark transform into a supreme sized Omega Supreme robot mode was a slightly decent idea for the 2009 Animated TF toy line. Due to the simplistic Sculpts the 2009 Animated TF toy line had----< Increasing this idea to a 24 inch titan TF toy for Classics IS A EXTREMLY BAD IDEA AS IT'LL LOOK LIKE A TONKA PLAY SCHOOL OVER SIZED TF GOBOTS TOYS.

SORRY,DOING A TRYPTICON TITAN SIZED TF TOY IS A BAD IDEA THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN,Due to the over-all design being too overly simplistic & not much their to merit the titan 24 inch toy treatment.

A new Trypticon toy belongs in the toddler Cyber-verse TF toy lines not the Titan sized Generations toy lines.

[Tigermegatron]

A titan TF toy needs a humanoid robot mode. Hasbro isn't going to bend over backwards to please the fans & lose their pants. Especially when fans according to Hasbro barely make up 5% of TF toy sales worldwide.

[JamesInAComa]

Something only gets a high asking price if it's HIGHLY DESIRABLE BY THE BUYERS. Fort Max is the most highly desirable of all the city/base bots thus his secondary asking price is thru the roof. Thus creating a Titan Fort Max toy is guaranteed to sell out in high decent volume by buyers.

Sorry, but basically no one knows who Fort Max is. A few very devoted fans, but not enough to justify the mass market release of a large expensive toy.

A giant toy is a bit of a stretch in any economy, let alone this one, and the toy has to be appealing on it's own and different enough from what is already out there. Fort Max wouldn't be different enough from Metroplex -- he's just another city/battle-station robot thing.

Trypticon would at least have a very different color scheme, a dinosaur mode, and if the designers were feeling ambitious, they could add a humanoid mode. Not sure a humanoid mode is critical.

Omega Supreme would have a spaceship mode along with his humanoid mode, and could be done as a pretty nice playset.

[Onslaught Six]

Sorry, but basically no one knows who Fort Max is. A few very devoted fans, but not enough to justify the mass market release of a large expensive toy.

And they know who Metroplex is?

A giant toy is a bit of a stretch in any economy, let alone this one, and the toy has to be appealing on it's own and different enough from what is already out there. Fort Max wouldn't be different enough from Metroplex -- he's just another city/battle-station robot thing.

I was actually just thinking about it, and realized that--maybe because of RID imprinting itself on me as a child--when I think of Fort Max, I think of Brave Max's colour scheme. Which would look pretty cool on Metroplex.

[andersonh1]

I would think they'd either remove the track altogether, it's a bit of an antiquated idea for a toy line and the original didn't even use all its track in bot mode.

The track was used for the wings on Omega Supreme's back. I used to use all three pieces on both sides just to make him look a little bigger. It was the element that tied all the "defense base" components together. Otherwise the vehicle mode would have consisted of a rocket and a tank, two vehicles that don't really go together thematically.

On the other hand, I suppose something along the lines of Overlord's transformation could be made as an update, with the space vehicle and tank coming together to form two halves of the whole figure. That would eliminate the need for a track, though when I was a kid I always enjoyed turning on the tank and letting it drive around the track. It was another thing that made the toy unique. Maybe instead of a tank the ground based half of Omega Supreme could be a mobile launcher, like the one on Micromaster Countdown. Something that clearly belongs with and compliments that rocket.

[Tigermegatron]

On the other hand, I suppose something along the lines of Overlord's transformation could be made as an update, with the space vehicle and tank coming together to form two halves of the whole figure.

Awesome,I had the same idea.

That would eliminate the need for a track.

Personally the Track idea never made any sense to begin with. as a track clearly belong to a train not a tank. Maybe they can have the space shuttle kibble in robot combiner mode resemble wings that sorta look like the track-wings designs that the 1985 toy had.

[andersonh1]

Personally the Track idea never made any sense to begin with. as a track clearly belong to a train not a tank.

It's a fantasy vehicle to begin with. It certainly doesn't look like any real-world tank. Who's to say it's not multi-purpose, like trucks that have an alternate set of wheels to drive on railway tracks?

[Sparky Prime]

SORRY,DOING A TRYPTICON TITAN SIZED TF TOY IS A BAD IDEA THAT WILL NEVER HAPPEN,Due to the over-all design being too overly simplistic & not much their to merit the titan 24 inch toy treatment.

A new Trypticon toy belongs in the toddler Cyber-verse TF toy lines not the Titan sized Generations toy lines.

I don't agree. There is no reason why Trypticon can't have a complex design or why a Titan class figure has to have a humanoid robot mode.

And Hasbro has said the Titan class Metroplex figure is scaled with it in mind for the Legends and Cyber-verse scaled figures to interact with it. So a Titan class Trypticon figure would similarly actually be perfect for the Cyber-verse figures to interact with.

[JediTricks]

If they did Fort Max, how over-the-top stupidly big would it have to be? The new Metroplex is 24" tall, 2 inches taller than G1 Fort Max, yet the character of Fort Max is supposed to be bigger than Metroplex, so he'd have to be like 3' tall and $300 and so large that he'd have to be ridiculously simple just to stay upright.